retort: scientology is just like other religions

Discussion in 'Scientology and Anonymous' started by anon8109, Dec 9, 2015.

  1. anon8109 Member

    In the online comments to almost any article about the scientology corporation, someone will invariably post that scientology is just like any other religion, the implication being that nobody should concern themselves with the crimes and abuses of the cult since they're similar to those of any religion.

    The problem when trying to reply to this misleading one-liner is that scientology is complex and it takes a few paragraphs to explain just why the cult is so much worse than any mainstream religion.

    Here is a zinger you can use that gets the idea across succinctly:

    Scientology is worse than you think. Saying that it's like any other religion because they all have supernatural beliefs is like saying that North Korea is like any other country just because they all have armies.
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  2. Scientology must be the only religion that frogmarched its followers to the ATM or forces them into debt in order to improve themselves or go up the bridge as they refer to it.
  3. Aurora Member

    Saying scientology is just like other religions is like saying the mafia is just like other businesses. It is valid to say, however, that scientology is just like the mafia.
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  4. anon8109 Member

    just because they are all trying to make a profit.
  5. Straight from the 'Scriptures' of the old convicted fraud L. Ron Hubbard himself.

    According to Hubbard's 1962 policy letter on his universally debunked Modern 'Science' of Mental Health, Scientology 1970 was being planned on a 'Religious' basis throughout the world. They also adopted clerical collars for their phony 'Ministers' at that time. Once a 'religious' tax-exmption was extorted (imho) from the IRS, the clerical collars disappeared.

    Scientology has been a brutally abusive, controlling scam since its inception. Thanks, Ron!

    L. Ron Hubbard's son discusses the family business: ''Thanks for the memories, Dad.''
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  6. This is a comment by Dave Touretsky on Tony's blog. I think it's quite good..
    The notion that religions offer different paths to the same ultimate understanding is probably worthy of philosophical debate, but Satanism and its Scientology offshoot are fundamental counterexamples. What conventional religions have in common is reverence for a higher power external to oneself. Remember that “Islam” means “submission.” Satanism — the Crowley kind, not the Hollywood devil-worshiping cartoon — is about attaining that power, becoming God-like. But it’s God-like in terms of asserting one’s will, not in terms of infinite compassion and wisdom. Scientology’s quest for OT Powers is just Crowley done with better props. See for yourself in their video success stories: The greatest spiritual virtue that Scientologists aspire to isn’t “wisdom” or “love” or “compassion,” it’s “certainty.” This focus on attaining power and certainty rather than on reverence for a higher power is what sets Satanism and Scientology apart from other religions. Someone should explain this to Aslan.
  7. The Internet Member

    It is an interesting point. But I remember that televangelist who told his followers that God wanted them to pony up a million bucks by next Thursday or God was gonna take the guy home.

    God in the above example is the same thing as "self." Therefore, there is no clear line between religions that focus upon elevation of the self as compared to elevation of the Other.

    In my opinion, the way forward is to break the spell we have been under for centuries: the notion that religion is a good thing. Plenty of religions are horrible. And plenty of people are morally empowered to do horrible things in the name of their religion.

    Better to focus upon public benefit which the public can define as they see fit. Groups that are of public benefit can be granted tax exemption. Religions? Fuck no.
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  8. Yeah, I also disagree with Dave Touretsky and agree with The Internet. Give tax breaks to organizations that actually do tangible good and stop pretending that promoting "religion" is in and of itself a public benefit and worthy of tax exemption.
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  9. Quentinanon Member

    Religion is a belief system dealing with intangibles that someone has institutionalized. Why must the public subsidize such a thing? If the religious organisation wants to deliver a service of value to those in need that saves the public money, then tax exemption can be justified. But the mentality that any group which calls itself a religion can automatically receive entitlements is very destructive.
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  10. tinfoilhatter Member

    Their newest one is mocking Christianity as a "religion of peace". My guess is that they are trying to worm their way into the fedora enthusiast atheist communities.
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  12. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    I thought they were jumping oh the fundamentalist bandwagon with their new stance on abortion. Maybe they are mocking non fundies?
  13. Can you link to the comments?

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