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  1. not worth the trouble ..no need to give attention to the clams' shitty opening
  2. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology is making this world ideal, one renovated building at a time

    By Tony Ortega, November 20, 2016

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    Yesterday, Scientology leader David Miscavige made the scene in San Diego to open Scientology’s newest “Ideal Org.” We asked Rod Keller, who keeps an eye on the program, to update us on where it stands today.

    The number of people joining Scientology may have declined, but the real estate owned by Scientology is still being upgraded. David Miscavige plans to grow that property portfolio until every normal org has been renovated as or replaced by an Ideal Org version. He also wants an Ideal Advanced Org on every continent, and each of those is supposed to have its own associated Ideal Org, which is sometimes called a Continental Ideal Org.

    Former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder explained the origin of the Ideal Org program. In 2002, Miscavige found for various reasons that he needed to replace orgs in three cities — Buffalo, Tampa, and Johannesburg. He decided that the new facilities should be larger, more elaborate, and updated with the latest A/V equipment. Thus was born his obsession with replacing all of the rest of the world’s regular orgs with Ideal ones, and putting intense pressure on local members to raise the money for it.

    In order to qualify as “Ideal,” an org needs to have 50,000 square feet of space. So in some cases, orgs that are large enough can stay put and only need to pay for renovation — such was the case in New York City, for example. But most places have to find a new building, as in London, Dallas, Rome, and many other places. In several cities, decaying landmark buildings were purchased, but then there wasn’t enough local money to pay for the extensive rehabbing necessary to transform them. So they sit rotting, unrenovated, in places like Chicago, Manchester, and Port Elizabeth, South Africa.

    That may be changing. We’re seeing in some places that the church is giving up on landmarks that take too much money and time to fix, and are going with less sexy facilities. Boston is a good example.

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    Anticipating Scientology’s Ideal Org program is difficult, but developments in San Diego and Boston may indicate they are ready to put the embarrassing situation of dilapidated Scientology buildings in multiple cities behind them. Scientology’s real estate spree is proceeding and they intend to continue as long as the money holds out. Even with fewer members, the money is flowing and we can expect more Ideal Orgs every year.

    The motivation behind the Ideal Org project is the subject of much debate. Why is Scientology opening new buildings if the membership isn’t growing? One theory holds that it started because Tom Cruise was embarrassed bringing a friend into an org, and Scientology leader David Miscavige wanted orgs to be a place he would be proud to bring guests. There is certainly also an aspect of public relations in it, to be able to say Scientology is expanding at a time when they are actually losing membership. There is also a monetary aspect, providing another avenue that Scientology can divert donations from the local level to higher levels to pay for space planning or other services. These are probably all true to some extent.

    I think the ultimate motivation is to further Miscavige’s vision that he is perfecting Scientology, and is a worthy successor to L. Ron Hubbard. He personally edits Hubbard’s books and lectures to correct minor errors, he has re-written Scientology processing and training procedures through the Golden Age of Tech and Golden Age of Tech II initiatives, and he is even perfecting the buildings in which Scientology is delivered. He commands the orgs to build anew because he has the power to do so and it boosts his reputation within Scientology and with the outside world. He personally opens each Ideal Org, and meets with the most important opinion leaders in each city. He thinks of himself as the Pope of Scientology and that is the level of world leader he believes he has reached. Perhaps he even believes his gleaming new buildings puts him on equal footing with L. Ron Hubbard himself.

    The complete article is here:
    http://tonyortega.org/2016/11/20/sc...world-ideal-one-renovated-building-at-a-time/
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    FROM THE FIRST STRAINS OF A MARIACHI BAND mixed with the uplifting tones of the Beach Boys’ “Surfin’ USA,” the scene was set for a spectacular grand opening celebration.


    SAN DIEGO, CALIFORNIA

    CALIFORNIA DREAMING BECOMES REALITY AS SAN DIEGO OPENS NEW CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

    NOVEMBER 19, 2016


    Inauguration of Ideal Church hailed as moment for the American Dream in city Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard called home.

    Follow the Pacific Coast Highway down Southern California’s meandering shoreline along a 70-mile stretch of sandy beaches basking in the most perfect weather—anywhere—and you’ll arrive to the city of San Diego. Such was the location for a sunbaked Saturday afternoon amid San Diego’s downtown skyline—a sublime setting to celebrate the city’s new Church of Scientology.
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    Mr. David Miscavige, Chairman of the Board Religious Technology Center, led the dedication of the Church of Scientology of San Diego, Saturday, November 19.

    “If ever was a day when ‘California Dreaming’ assumed a whole new meaning it is now with the inauguration of this Ideal Church of Scientology,” said David Miscavige, the ecclesiastical leader of the Scientology religion. “And if ever was a place predestined for this moment, then it’s your San Diego. So as we dedicate this Ideal Org, we do so in the name of our Founder and in honor of this City where he once lived. And thus, we pledge our commitment to employ his technology for life—broadly, unsparingly and indiscriminately for this ‘Finest City in America!’”

    The San Diego grand opening punctuates an explosive era of expansion for the Church and marks the 55th Ideal Church Organization (Ideal Org) to open its doors. Ideal Orgs now stand in cities all over the world—from Los Angeles to London, Melbourne to Milan and Tel Aviv to Tokyo. “Ideal” is the standard set by Scientology Founder L. Ron Hubbard so that every Church could be a perfect expression of the religion’s principles and practices.

    So it was on Saturday, November 19, some 3,500 Scientologists and their guests were on hand to witness San Diego’s historic grand opening. And from the first strains of a mariachi band mixed with the uplifting tones of the Beach Boys’ “Surfin’ USA,” to dignitaries representing every political and social spectrum of San Diego City and County—the inauguration positively embodied the city’s rich culture.

    The ceremony also paid tribute to the exceptional place San Diego holds in the life of L. Ron Hubbard (LRH). For it is a city where he not only lived during his youth, but later launched a legendary writing career spanning half a century and placing him among the most enduring and widely read authors of all time.

    “Even after forty years LRH would fondly recall this ‘never-never land,’ where he spun his first tales for the pulps, in a cottage on the bluff,” said David Miscavige. “This was also his first point of departure for Asia—boarding a naval transport with a well-worn suit, a thin topcoat and two pennies. While in the wake of Waikiki, he tells of importing a board from Honolulu, and so became the first to catch a wave at Encinitas. So, yes, this is the crossroads of your history with LRH—and your future with his legacy.”

    The new San Diego Church stands on the downtown corridor of Fourth Avenue, just blocks from City Hall. Located in the thriving urban core, the 49,000-square-foot facility welcomes all from San Diego and beyond.

    “By definition an Ideal Organization is a part of its community,” continued Mr. Miscavige. “So this Church of Scientology stands for literacy in schools, for crime- and drug-free streets, for prosperity in the workplace and human rights wherever else people walk.”

    Presenting a sense of just what that humanitarian commitment contains were San Diego dignitaries on hand to welcome the Church: Mr. John Redman, Director of the High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas program (HIDTA); Dr. Beatriz Villarreal, Education Advisor to the County of San Diego; Ms. Estela De Los Rios, member of the National Steering Committee for Human Trafficking; and Col. Bart Billings Ret., National Guard Medical Directorate.

    Mr. Redman spoke of the region’s drug crisis and how the Scientology-supported Foundation for a Drug-Free World is working to counter it: “This stretch of border is one of the heaviest drug trafficking areas in the nation and one of the most daunting. But enter Drug-Free World and the partnership that it equates to. Together with the Foundation we created a collaboration of teachers, public health officials and administrators to meet here in our border region. In the wake of that commitment, over 100,000 children have been granted the opportunity for a drug-free life.”

    Col. Billings observed that “Every day 22 military veterans end their lives. And many of those suicides are directly linked to psychotropic medications. So we need to expand the already worldwide foothold of the Citizens Commission on Human Rights—both at home and abroad. The more contact points we have raising awareness about psychiatric abuse, the better off our populations will be. With this Ideal Org you are placing a beachhead in San Diego. One that can and will bring help and support to our troops. And for that, I salute you.”

    The importance of the Church’s involvement in the field of human rights was reflected in the remarks by Ms. De Los Rios: “In this world, with all the news headlines and chaos, we need all the help we can get. And I thank you for keeping human rights in the minds and souls of the people. Because only if we love, embrace and be respectful of one another, to not just ourselves but all mankind, can we have human rights everywhere. For me, the real heroes are people like you here today—the Church of Scientology.”

    “You have to realize, without your materials our parents wouldn’t stand a chance,” said Dr. Villarreal. “Because of The Way to Happiness I am a better parent, a better teacher, a better community leader and my job is that much easier. We just don’t have these kinds of programs. No one does. So yes, today is a day for the American Dream. And with these doors now open, let’s celebrate the possibility of fulfilling that dream for every child in San Diego.”

    The new San Diego Church provides visitors with an introduction to Dianetics and Scientology, beginning with the Public Information Center. Its displays, containing more than 500 films, present the beliefs and practices of the Scientology religion and the life and legacy of Founder L. Ron Hubbard.

    The Information Center also offers a detailed overview of the many Scientology-supported humanitarian programs. These include a worldwide human rights education initiative; a far-reaching drug education, prevention and rehabilitation program; a global network of literacy and learning centers; and the Scientology Volunteer Minister program, now representing the world’s largest independent relief force.

    San Diego’s Ideal Organization also features a Chapel that provides for Scientology congregational gatherings, including Sunday Services, weddings and naming ceremonies, as well as a host of community-wide events open to members of all denominations. The facility further includes multiple seminar rooms and classrooms, in addition to an entire floor dedicated to Scientology auditing (spiritual counseling).

    The San Diego opening caps a year of expansion for the Church. Recent Church openings have occurred in Sydney, Australia; Harlem, New York; Budapest, Hungary; Atlanta, Georgia; Milan, Italy; Tokyo, Japan; Bogotá, Colombia; and Basel, Switzerland. Also, this summer the Church opened Scientology Media Productions, a five-acre, technologically cutting-edge studio in Hollywood, California, in which the religion’s message will be proclaimed via television and radio broadcasting, Internet and social media and every other media platform.

    And more is on the way, with openings of Ideal Organizations in 2017 planned for global cities and cultural capitals in North America, South America, Europe, Africa and Australasia.
  4. Random guy Member

    Miscavige looks funny in that picture. He's visible aged since last time, or he's stopped minding about the photographer.
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  5. yuk
  6. 3500 attended
    does it includes body thetans ?
    on the picture real number around 400 satanlogists ?
  7. The Wrong Guy Member

    California Dreaming

    Some thoughts on the latest “ideal org” to open in San Diego this weekend.

    By Mike Rinder

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    Ah, the magnificent prose: Follow the Pacific Coast Highway down Southern California’s meandering shoreline along a 70-mile stretch of sandy beaches basking in the most perfect weather — anywhere — and you’ll arrive to the city of San Diego. Such was the location for a sunbaked Saturday afternoon amid San Diego’s downtown skyline — a sublime setting to celebrate the city’s new Church of Scientology.

    The insane claims: the ribbon yanking on this building is “hailed as a moment for the American Dream” — by exactly nobody.

    Miscavige babble: “If ever was a day when ‘California Dreaming’ assumed a whole new meaning it is now with the inauguration of this Ideal Church of Scientology, and if ever was a place predestined for this moment, then it’s your San Diego. So as we dedicate this Ideal Org, we do so in the name of our Founder and in honor of this city where he once lived. And thus, we pledge our commitment to employ his technology for life—broadly, unsparingly and indiscriminately for this ‘Finest City in America!’”

    Repeat the big lie: The San Diego grand opening punctuates an explosive era of expansion for the Church. “Punctuates” should probably be “punctures.” The only explosive expansion in scientology is column inches/minutes of negative media coverage. The only “expansion” (unexplosive) is value of real estate holdings.

    And finally throw in some biographical bullshit about Hubbard — in this case he is now the first ever surfer at Encinitas! “This was also his first point of departure for Asia — boarding a naval transport with a well-worn suit, a thin topcoat and two pennies. While in the wake of Waikiki, he tells of importing a board from Honolulu, and so became the first to catch a wave at Encinitas.”

    And the utterly incomprehensible gibberish: “So, yes, this is the crossroads of your history with LRH — and your future with his legacy.”

    Milestone and Epic Crowd

    This was the org that was considered to be part of “LA” and all LA scientologists were expected to attend.

    They claim the turnout was 3500. Those figures are always inflated as this photo shows.

    BUT – if you take that as true, it is the latest evidence yet that the scientology bubble continues to shrink at a rapid rate. There are, according to scientology, more than 3500 Sea Org members between Gold and PAC. There are 5 ideal orgs with hundreds of staff. There is CC Int and ASHO and AOLA. All these orgs supposedly have thousands of “parishioners.”

    This is the most important program in scientology. It has to be. It is the ONLY thing Miscavige is willing to appear for. He hides from the public generally, the media specifically and legal cases maniacally. But a good ribbon yanking and he is there every time, even if it’s in Australia or Japan or other far-flung lands (unless it is somewhere like Moscow or Brussels where he doesn’t feel safe).

    Continued here, with open comments:
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/california-dreaming/
  8. DeathHamster Member

    Looks like a cutout or dummy.
  9. Quentinanon Member

    Another Danny Sherman authored speech written just the way Bitchboy Miscavige likes it, full of hackneyed expressions and meaningless drivel.
  10. Quentinanon Member

    It looks like the asthmatic dwarf to me with too much makeup on his face.
  11. Strange.
    I thought it looked like a dummy.
  12. The Wrong Guy Member

    Inside Scientology's New Church at Old San Diego Home

    By Ken Stone, Times of San Diego

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    L. Ron Hubbard has a stylish office in the remodeled Church of Scientology downtown — even though the one-time San Diegan died 30 years ago.

    “It’s a symbol of respect and our dedication to his ideals,” said Erin Banks, a Los Angeles-based spokeswoman for the church called an Ideal Org (for organization). All 55 such churches devote office space for him.

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    Hubbard quotations adorn walls throughout the building once considered an eyesore. Hundreds of his books rest on shelves, identical covers facing out. But this isn’t a cult, she said.

    “I don’t hear that at all,” Banks said. “That’s something we used to run across, say, in the ’70s.”

    She and her Australian-born husband, Nick Banks, 34, gave tours of the four-story 49,000-square-foot building after a Saturday afternoon dedication — which closed Fourth Avenue blocks from City Hall.

    Even with Scientology’s controversial leader David Miscavige speaking, the event flew under local news media radar. It was by invitation only, said Erin Banks — “typically what we do with our new churches.”

    Miscavige was here to greet parishioners.

    “There are tens of thousands of Scientologists in the area,” Nick Banks said. “At the event there were some 3,500 in attendance.”

    Said Erin: “We’ve experienced more growth (worldwide) in the past 10 years than in the previous 50 years combined.”

    Does Miscavige give interviews? “Oh no,” said Banks, the daughter of Scientologist parents in New York.

    Also in New York is Tony Ortega, a former Village Voice editor and Scientology watchdog and critic since 1995.

    “I see they gave you the classic line, ‘We’ve expanded more in the last five years than we did in the previous 50 years,’” Ortega told Times of San Diego. “That’s a slogan [former Scientology spokesman] Tommy Davis came up with a few years ago. You’ll notice that after they said it, they then pointed to new buildings” in a full-color brochure.

    But old buildings are being replaced by new buildings, Ortega said.

    “They haven’t actually built a church in a new city in decades. And they can’t show any expansion in membership,” he said. “In fact, membership is shrinking fast.” Two years ago, Ortega estimated 30,000 members worldwide.

    (In May 2008, the San Diego Church of Scientology bought a former Coleman College property in La Mesa for $9.3 million. After languishing without development, the church sold it off in 2013 — for $9.3 million.)

    Nick Banks calls Scientology an “applied religious philosophy. You’re not just blindly believing in something. You’re using it and applying it to your life and improving your life. … It’s a dynamic, moving, expanding religion.”

    In San Diego, a wall plaque honors about 200 donors, topped by Rancho Santa Fe’s Kurt and Jenny Listug (“Ideal Civilization Builders”) with categories such as gold and silver humanitarians, premier benefactors and “Vanguard Club Members.”

    “Silver Civilization Builders” are David and Denise Meyer.

    In a 2011 KPBS interview, the husband was the “Rev. David Meyer.” Many online references label him church president. On Monday, Erin Banks called Meyer “parishioner executive.” His wife, Denise, is full-time church executive director who shares that title with Jennifer Gerson, Banks said.

    They oversee a volunteer staff of 165, who work to cover daytime, evening and weekend shifts from 9 a.m. to 10 p.m. daily.

    Unlike the Los Angeles church, with celebrity members like John Travolta and Tom Cruise, the San Diego Church of Scientology (also founded in 1954) doesn’t tout high-profile residents.

    “It would be out of place to talk about specific members,” Erin Banks said. But she called them “diverse as they come,” ticking off a variety of professions and ending with “chandelier makers or Italian chefs.”

    The church takes pride in its community outreach, including drug education, literacy efforts, work with the homeless and “character building,” the Bankses said.

    Said Ortega after hearing a taped interview with the Scientology reps: “Basically, they fed you the same tired lines about being engaged with the community, lots of expansion, Sunday services, etc.”

    Sunday service is “purely for PR,” he said. “In Scientology, you don’t go to church on Sunday to hear a sermon. You work individually with your auditor, and they’ll have you doing it seven days a week if they can convince you to spend the money.”

    Here's the complete article:
    https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2016/11/24/inside-scientologys-new-church-at-old-san-diego-home/
  13. The Wrong Guy Member

    That time when Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard didn’t invent surfing in California

    By Tony Ortega

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    On Saturday, Scientology leader David Miscavige blessed the newest “Ideal Org” with another grand opening ceremony, this time in San Diego, California. After the ceremony we heard from local journalist Ken Stone, who told us he found it very odd that Scientology had held an event with what they claimed was a crowd of 3,500, and had done so without notifying the local press.

    Ken decided to look into things a little further and managed to get an interview with Scientology’s public relations B-team, Erin and Nick Banks. The result was a nice piece by Ken that included the usual howlers from Erin about how the new org was a gleaming example of Scientology expansion — even though it was really just a renovation of the building they’d been in for years and years and didn’t represent any “expansion” at all. (And as for the size of the crowd, we’ve found that if you divide by about seven, you get closer to actual truth, which suggests that the event probably had closer to 800 people in attendance, many of whom would have been bused down from Los Angeles.)

    Ken attached to his story the press release Scientology put out about Miscavige’s appearance, and several people pointed out to us that it included this rather astounding claim:

    “Even after forty years LRH would fondly recall this ‘never-never land,’ where he spun his first tales for the pulps, in a cottage on the bluff,” said Mr. Miscavige. “This was also his first point of departure for Asia — boarding a naval transport with a well-worn suit, a thin topcoat and two pennies. While in the wake of Waikiki, he tells of importing a board from Honolulu, and so became the first to catch a wave at Encinitas. So, yes, this is the crossroads of your history with LRH — and your future with his legacy.”

    This really surprised us because in recent years Scientology has finally started to tamp down some of its more outrageous mythmaking about Hubbard after being caught time after time making up stuff about the man. (Which, to be fair, Hubbard himself had started.)

    Miscavige’s claim sent us digging into Russell Miller’s excellent 1987 biography of Hubbard, Bare-Faced Messiah, to check up on what the church leader might be referring to.

    Continued here:
    http://tonyortega.org/2016/11/25/th...n-hubbard-didnt-invent-surfing-in-california/
  14. The Wrong Guy Member

  15. RightOn Member

    "But a 250-seat chapel, where members meet Sundays, is a multimedia wonder with built-in screens and projectors. It’s available free to community groups, says Banks, 32."

    :rolleyes: :D

    Erin, wake the fuck up
  16. The Wrong Guy Member

    San Diego on Saturday: Psych-busting and Scientology hip hop!

    By Tony Ortega, May 17, 2017

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    Hey, San Diego, the Scientologists are coming back!

    Last November, a gang of Scientologists materialized in San Diego for a grand opening event presided over by church leader David Miscavige himself. It was the latest “Ideal Org” opening, held to much fanfare, and the church claimed that 3,500 Scientologists showed up.

    We find in general with Scientology’s crowd estimates that if you divide by about 7, you get a truer number of the folks who actually showed up at such events. But either way, that’s a lot of Scientologists for a place like San Diego. Most of them were probably transported down from L.A., and we’d bet that on any given day of the week since that ceremony if you went by that new Ideal Org on Fourth Avenue you’d find it near empty, just like the rest.

    But this weekend San Diego is once again in the church’s sights, and chances are you might actually run into some Hubbardites there. That’s because this year’s American Psychiatric Association annual meeting, its 170th, is being held at the San Diego Convention Center, and it’s always a favorite target for Scientology’s obsession for the psychiatric profession.

    Once again, LA-area Scientologists will be bused down, as this flier clearly indicates. We hope some of our San Diego correspondents might get out to get a look at the size of the crowd.

    APAPsychbust2017.jpg

    Some photos of the “psych-busters” in action might be fun to see. But really, the reason we wanted to note this flier was not just as a head’s up for our San Diego tipsters, but also for the real treat buried in the list of Saturday’s events.

    Yes, of course, we mean an appearance by our old friend, Chill EB!

    Also known as Norman Berry, Chill has been Scientology’s in-house hip hop star for quite a few years now. We first noticed him back in 2011, and we even had a chance to carry on a conversation with him at one point.

    But it’s been a while since we’ve paid much attention to the man and his chin dangles, and we sure wish we could be on hand at the San Diego Ideal Org Saturday afternoon to see him perform.

    Looking at Chill’s official YouTube page, it looks like he’s slowed down releasing new songs somewhat. But his Facebook account suggests that Scientology still has him very busy with a lot of international travel to perform at new Ideal Orgs and other venues.

    Continued at http://tonyortega.org/2017/05/17/san-diego-on-saturday-psych-busting-and-scientology-hip-hop/
  17. Quentinanon Member

    ECT is only prescribed currently for severe depression that is not affected by anti-depressants.
    Hubbard put his dupes into a 1950's time warp when it was abused.
    Kind of like campaigning against using leaches in medicine.
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  18. GibbousWaxing Member

    Like if Anonymous demonstrated now carrying "Impeach Nixon" signs.
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  19. Quentinanon Member

    Or "End the War in Vietnam!"

    Ironically, Hubbard has convinced scienLOLogists that they are mentally in present time.
  20. The Wrong Guy Member

    Speaking of San Diego, in news searching today, this article showed up:

    San Diego State University Library Debuts New Science Fiction Room | San Diego State University

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    The Edward E. Marsh Golden Age of Science Fiction Room will open on Thursday, Sept. 28, giving San Diego State University and the local community access to one of the most comprehensive collections of science fiction in the United States.

    The opening celebration begins at 2 p.m. on the first floor of the Love Library on the SDSU campus.

    Eventually, the Marsh Room will serve as the main point of contact between the community and SDSU’s Special Collections and University Archives, which is home to Marsh’s collection.

    An incredible jewel

    Marsh, who attended SDSU in the 1960s, spent 30 years assembling his $2.25 million collection of signed and inscribed first editions by science fiction greats, including Arthur C. Clarke, Ray Bradbury, Isaac Asimov, Jules Verne and H.G. Wells. Included are the fiction and non-fiction writing of L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Church of Scientology. Marsh gifted the entire collection to SDSU in 2013.

    “This is an incredible jewel, not just for science fiction fans, but also for students and researchers in the fields of science, technology, politics, religion, philosophy, journalism, even theatre and film,” said Gale Etschmaier, dean of the Library and Information Access.

    Donald Westbrook, who received a Ph.D. in religious studies from Claremont Graduate University in 2015, called the collection “a preeminent resource for scientology studies [which] continues to receive fuller academic attention as one of many American-born new religious movements.” His book about the Church of Scientology is due out next year from Oxford University Press.

    Living history

    The Marsh collection is a recent addition to SDSU’s Special Collections, a repository for more than 80,000 printed volumes, over 500 manuscript and archival collections, 800 linear feet of university records, plus numerous graphic and digital collections and ephemera.

    Etschmaier said relocating Special Collections to the library space in and around the Marsh Room will strengthen SDSU’s role as a source of “living history”—the documents, photos, letters, newspaper clippings and oral accounts that enable researchers to understand the past through their own critical senses rather than through another’s interpretation.

    Source: http://newscenter.sdsu.edu/sdsu_newscenter/news_story.aspx?sid=76930
  21. TorontosRoot Member

    It's a shame they archived the cult's books. Blahhhhhh.
  22. The Wrong Guy Member

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