Scientolipedia.Org received a DMCA Takedown Order from Co$ today.

Discussion in 'Leaks & Legal' started by thesneakster, Oct 22, 2015.

  1. thesneakster Member

    "On October 22, 2015 received a DMCA notice.
    The notice gives us 48 hours to respond or else the site's ISP will remove the content. (this likely means shutting down the site as the only way they can ensure the content is not replaced)
    The notice came on a Thursday night, a clever strategy for the church as it leaves less than one workday, a Friday at that, in which to secure legal help to deal with the matter."

    Yes, it's a Freezone/Independent site. Full report is here.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
    I am *not* a lawyer.

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  2. What do you want people here to do about it ???

    Try ESMB.
  3. DeathHamster Member

    Copy? After all, a legal threat isn't a privileged letter.

    There should be a URL. Was it marginally their material, or was it completely bogus?
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  4. thesneakster Member

  5. furball Member

    Nice. At least that's one less shit website cluttering the interwebs. Better would be to see all of that $ci nonsense vanish. ;)
  6. thesneakster Member

    I'm just posting information. Anonymous is not your personal army, remember ? However, suppression of Free Speech on the Internet by Co$ is of interest to some here.

    I'm also hoping to piss off the OSA Internet Unit, though. ;)

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
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  7. Anonymous Member

    Merrill Vannier may have some advice for you. He's been playing fast and loose with cult shit recently.
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  8. thesneakster Member

    [ redacted by request ]

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
  9. HT = Hat Tip
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  10. Anonymous Member

    You're welcome.

    "Roll, roll, roll your goat, gently in the cream.
    Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily, life is just a scream."
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  11. Incredulicide Member

    A quick search of the links used in the big list of former CoS members who have spoken out shows links to for 7 names on it, 2 of the names rely exclusively on their link to a page on that site as their form of "speaking out". None of the pages linked to from the big list are to the infringing material but I'd rest easier if the site itself stayed up, if only for evidence of speaking out sake.
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  12. Random guy Member

    Would it be possible to copy the whole site to somewhere else as an interim solution?
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  13. furball Member

    Hearing you loud and clear on the data love.

    If it falls, there is still the wayback machine. Or you could wget yourself a copy now.
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  14. furball Member

    If you wanted to do it manually you could follow EVERY link in your browser and save every page along the way,
  15. Random guy Member

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  16. Some Freezone Scientology sites are alsoo hosted from The Netherlands.

    This Provider in particulary gave Scientology the finger:

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  17. DeathHamster Member

    Protip: As a sister Mediawiki, you can use anything on Mediawiki Commons directly without a local copy.

    For example:

    Use it as "File:L. Ron Hubbard Signature.svg", and when your wiki doesn't find it locally, it checks Commons for it.

    (It might need a change in LocalSettings.php to turn that on.)
  18. anon8109 Member

    I know a little bit about DMCA from watching videos posted by Thunderf000t on youtube who had to deal with creationists using it to try and censor him.

    The basic purpose of DMCA, as far as I understand it, is that it is a mechanism that protects copyright holders from people illegally publishing their copyrighted material online, it protects ISPs from having to decide when there is in fact a copyright violation, and it protects the people accused falsely by allowing them to challenge a false claim, which amounts to perjury if it goes to a judge.

    In Thunderf00ts case, he challenged the DMCA claims, holding that the clips he used from creationist's videos fell under fair use, rejecting the DMCA claims. The creationists did not pursue him in court, and backed down from their claim, and YouTube reposted the videos they had taken down.

    In this case you have to determine whether the Scientology corporation's claims of copyright violation would stand up in court or not. If you think they would then you should probably remove the copyrighted material, you don't have to shut down the whole website. If you think that the copyright claims are rubbish and would fall down in court then you have to decide if you are willing to put in the resources required to fight it in court.
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  19. DeathHamster Member

    For any works that date to 1963 or earlier, if there was never a copyright registration renewal then they are now in the public domain (US, other countries may vary).

    If Soter can't provide the copyright registrations for those, he should take a flying fuck off a tall Bridge.

    That said, CST did make a bunch of fraudulent copyright renewals for stuff that was never registered in the first place or had fallen into the public domain.

    Check here: Ron Hubbard&offset=0
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  20. RightOn Member

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  21. Take out the stuff listed the letter for now. You will lose everything if you don't,

    Inform your host, HostGator, that the materials are removed per the letter.

    Once the DMCA ticket gets returned to Soter by HostGator and you receive acknowledgement, consider switching your domain host to another one outside the USA, like one that Karen Spank uses for xs4all or whatever she calls it. Others have successfully switched their domain hosts and privatized their registrations to Australia, France or Canada. The DMCA is only applicable in the USA.
  22. Courrtesy AnonyMary on ESMB.

    * * * * * BEGIN QUOTATION * * * * *

    FYI, These are the documents they want, as stated in the DMCA violation letter sent to the domain host letter.

    * * * * * END QUOTATION * * * * *
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  23. thesneakster Member

    Why should he do that?

    All he has to do is send his web provider a DMCA Counter Notice and the items Soter is complaining about can stay up until such a time as a Federal Judge actually orders them taken down. Professor David Touretsky of CMU has successfully fought off dozens of such DMCA Takedown notices and has thoughtfully provided a Counter Notice Template on his site.

    Bullshit scaremongering. Even if he can't produce a suitable Counter Notice, the only thing Dave La Croix is at risk of losing is Scientolipedia.Org web presence until he removes the offending items.

    Michael A. Hobson
    Independent Scientologist
    I am *not* a lawyer
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  24. DeathHamster Member

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  25. Try reading the letter on Dave's site and the list of items again bright one.

    The items on the list ARE copyrighted, so the letter won't help. And the host, not wanting to get involved in your mess, will take your site off the server. And if you don't save what it on the site, you may not see it again because your site won't be up to see it and save it.

    You are dreaming if you thing a host is going to get sucked into having legal problems because you insist on violating copyright law.

    Here is some more detailed advice from AnonLover, posted at ESMB.I suggest you guys heed it and fast.

    I also suggest you and your buddy get straight with how these things are done these days. Dave wrote that in 2002 and while the laws pretty much still stand as written, how hosts deal with these matters has evolved over the years to wiping their hands and saying bye bye to the site owner. Nothing in Dave's advice says you should write a do-it-yourself response like that if the materials are copyrighted and you are not going to remove them.

    You really need to get rid of that 'know-best' thing you've got going on, Michael.
  26. thesneakster Member

    Posted for Reference as it is directly relevant here:


    § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include—

    (1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

    (2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

    (3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

    (4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.
  27. Incredulicide Member

    The Trans Pacific Partnership signed this month effectively extends the reach of the DMCA to Singapore, Brunei, New Zealand, Chile, Australia, Peru, Vietnam, Malaysia, Mexico, Canada and Japan. Also, countries likely to join the TPP in future are Colombia, Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia, Taiwan and South Korea.

    Avoid registering in all the above countries.
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  28. DeathHamster Member

    Canada depends on if the legislature ratifies the agreement, since we were in an election at the time.
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  29. Interesting. Thanks for posting this. Hard to keep up with stuff like that, however as mentioned here

    I think that thorough research should be done regarding moving to a different host.


    DMCA notices are acted upon by hosts in the USA per the law. If the website does not remove / disable the content while fighting the matter, the host has little choice but to take the stuff down
  30. Sorry, I see now that all the copyrighted content is now taken down off the site. Good
  31. furball Member

  32. Anonymous Member

    And no fucks were given.
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  33. Quentinanon Member

    The Tony Hitchman interview is contrived nonsense, as it was done around the time he had been recruited into scientology.
    Back in the 1960's, it had some propaganda value, but now we know he was a scientologist working as a field auditor.
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