Scientology & Alternative medicine

Discussion in 'Education, Research and Inside Reports' started by Triumph, Jun 29, 2010.

  1. DeathHamster Member

    Sequoia University wasn't Hubbard's. The released UK gov papers from the 60s say that, but later works don't support that.
  2. Triumph Member

    Mike Adams sinks to a new low

    read more here:
  3. Triumph Member

    Dr Gene Denk (Hubbard's last personal physician) and Dr Megan Shields

    Gene Denk - Scientology Service Completions

    Megan Shields - Scientology Service Completions
    Megan Shields, MD. Well known Scientology doctor in LA. She wrote the forward to "Clear Body Clear Mind

    The Introduction to "Clear Body, Clear Mind
    Outrageous Nonsense by Two L. Ron Hubbard Toadies

    Dr. Megan Shields - Who Comes First the Patient or the Church?

    NarConon Is Bad News for Customers

    Declaration: Caroline Letkeman 08 May 2001

    All About Radiation (the book's authorship is attributed to Hubbard and Dr. Gene Denk and Dr. Farley R. Spink.)

    L Ron Hubbard died with psychiatric tranquilizer in blood stream. Suspicions of murder

    L. Ron Hubbard: San Luis Obispo County Sheriff’s Department Coroner Case Information Sheet

    Clambake Post subject: Dr. Gene Denk- "Truth Revealed"

    Scientology library: “Eugene "Gene" Denk” "Gene" Denk

    Miscavige gambled away 'parishioners' money while Ron died

    Scientology Crime Syndicate Kills: Risky 'Purification Rundown' Dr

    Mary Sue Hubbard Certificate of Death signed by DR Megan Shields


    Glenn Braswell's Advisors:also see Gero Vita

    Scientology library: Dr “David E. Root” (Narconon) E. Root

    CALIFORNIA / State to evaluate Narconon / Research group tapped to look at anti-drug teachings
    July 02, 2004|By Nanette Asimov, Chronicle Staff Writer
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  4. xenubarb Member

    O hai.

    Someone posted the link to this article yesterday. It is about Conrad Maulfair, the quack who treated Jeremy Perkins with vitamins and exercise for his schizophrenia.
    It predates Perkins by years. Had he lost his license to practice after these two women had to have legs amputated as a result of his quackfool chelation therapy, Elli Perkins might still be painting glass art.
  5. heatberd Member

  6. heatberd Member

    This is what James Jealous, D.O. does full time at the Ashland Springs Hotel. I was there and his courses are very creepy and reminiscent of OT courses. Coincidentally, there are 8 levels to his program.

    A typical craniosacral therapy session is performed with the client fully clothed, in a supine position, and usually lasts about one hour. In the Upledger method of craniosacral therapy, a ten-step protocol serves as a general guideline, which includes (1) analyzing the base (existing) cranial rhythm, (2) creating a still point in that rhythm at the base of the skull, (3) rocking the sacrum, (4) lengthening the spine in the lumbar-sacral region, (5) addressing the pelvic, respiratory and thoracic diaphragms, (6) releasing the hyoid bone in the throat, and (7-10) addressing each one of the cranial bones. The practitioner may use discretion in using which steps are suitable for each client, and may or may not follow them in sequential order, with time restraints and the extent of trauma being factors.

    The therapist places their hands lightly on the patient's body
  7. heatberd Member

    rocking the sacrum
  8. heatberd Member

    reminiscent in that it was monotonous quackery.
  9. xenubarb Member

    'releasing the hyoid bone. Ew. It's where it belongs, thenkewveddymuch.
  10. Might want to fact check the rest of the names you list but Dr. Hulda Clark as a Scientologist. But:

    "There is no record that Dr. Clark herself was a Scientologist, and by the absence of marketing in her work it seems she was not."

    "The problem I have is that David is a MBA-weilding Scientologist (this is confirmed by several sources, including a Scientologist-run website), and is using the methods of Scientology to profit off of Hulda's work, and is implementing questionable marketing tactics in the manner of aggressive, multi-level marketing style ploys that the Scientologists traditionally engage in, and in effect is destroying the potential for integrity and recognition that this work might otherwise be able to attain."

    Scientologists stole her work after her death.
  11. Anonymous Member

    Her "work" is quack crap.
  12. Definitely not 'quack crap'. She's a victim of suppression of alternative medicine just like many other doctors of her time.

    I've personally used variations of her 'zapper', and it's helped me with a number of medical issues. Other people have reported good results as well.
  13. Anonymous Member

    It's quack crap. Her unsupported notion that parasites cause all disease would require tossing everything learned in medical science over the last few centuries into the trashcan.
    And accounts like that are worthless. Some people will feel better if you tell them to wear a pancake on their heads.

    Show evidence of those parasites. Show evidence that they cause disease. Show evidence that the zapper stops parasites from causing disease.

  14. Anonymous Member

    OMG Zombie Hulda Clark is now zapping to life the dead threads!

    Please, Zombie Hulda, go back to Tijuana where you belong!
  15. Anonymous Member

    Fuck I just wrote a compelling paragraph about the value of some alternative therapies, and the lies of Scions claiming the therapies as their own with special names like "Touch Assist". Some kind touch- rubbing your kids backs or massaging, can help humans feel calm. Scions sully that with special names and a believable patter. It works because it works, they don't own it but they seem to ruin legitimate therapies for lots of people.
    Vitamin therapy is useful but they talk bullshit about vitamins and it all starts sounding dodgy.
    The original paragraph was much more compelling but oh well.
  16. Anonymous Member

    As to the zapper- nigga please.
  17. Anonymous Member

  18. Anonymous Member

    In the 1980s the quacks took everything that isn't drugs or surgery and called all that "alternative," along with their magic healing crystals and Dianetics.

    But doctors have always talked about nutrition, exercise, and social bonding including touching, before the quacks laid claim to those things.

    Evidence is what separates legit medicine from alternative medicine. Once there's evidence for a therapy, it becomes legit.
  19. Anonymous Member

    Basic Principles of Integrative Medicine*
    • A partnership between patient and practitioner in the healing process
    • Appropriate use of conventional and alternative methods to facilitate the body’s innate healing response
    • Consideration of all factors that influence health, wellness and disease, including mind, spirit and community as well as body
    • A philosophy that neither rejects conventional medicine nor accepts alternative medicine uncritically
    • Recognition that good medicine should be based in good science, inquiry driven and open to new paradigms
    • Use of natural, less invasive interventions whenever possible
    • The broader concepts of promotion of health and the prevention of illness as well as the treatment of disease
    • Practitioners as models of health and healing, committed to the process of self-exploration and self-development
    *As stated by the University of Arizona Program in Integrative Medicine
  20. Anonymous Member

    One more thing

    She has no zapper, just good advice.
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  23. Anonymous Member

    The fuck...
  24. Anonymous Member

  25. Anonymous Member

    Imagine if astrologers re-branded themselves, "alternative physicists," and then with several hundred millions of dollars from Oprah and Prince Charles, they established astrology laboratories within all physics department within the United States. Then they convinced the National Academy of Sciences advise Congress to mandate the teaching of astrology as a valid component of modern physics education.

    That is what has happened to our medical schools thanks to those wealthy moonbats at Bravewell. Evidence, as once commonly understood, can now mean many word gamey things.
  26. Anonymous Member

    People started to catch on to "alternative." So the quacks re-branded themselves as "integrative." Still, it's all word games to sneak magic into science.

    Andrew Weil, the fat fuck, has done quite well for himself out there in Arizona.
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  29. Anonymous Member

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  30. Perhaps to you, and you're entitled to your opinion, as I am to mine.

    Here's my opinion though, the title of this thread is "Scientology & Alternative medicine".

    If you believe she's a quack, then it's not 'Alternative medicine', and if, as I've said, she wasn't a Scientologist (bad choice in personal relationships, perhaps), then she doesn't belong on that list.

    As for everything else you've posted, I don't care. I've long ago ceased to give a crap about others opinions on alternative medicine. Especially doctors. I wish you well in life believing whatever it is you want to believe. I'll stick with my zapper and alternative therapies.

    I do care about people propagating outright lies. Dr. Hulda Clark was not a Scientologist, regardless of how you view her work.
  31. I can't resist this one.

    Really now! And you call Dr. Hulda Clark a quack? LOL
  32. Seriously, the take-away here, is that people believe what they want to believe. I'm cool with all diseases being caused by parasites, you're cool with chatting with your heart. ;)

  33. Actually, isn't that what's happening with Dr. Hulda Clarks' research? It's been co-opted after her death. You may think it's wacky, but no less wacky then the 'language of the heart' stuff you posted. and why.html

    And just FYI, by parasites, she meant bacteria and viruses as well.
  34. Also, should someone want to check out Dr. Hulda Clark's books, I suggest buying them used. The new releases DO go into the pockets of Scientologist, who stole her work and rights.
  35. Anonymous Member

    Which Scientologists stole her rights? How do you know this happened?
  36. If it doesn't have the word "wellness" it's not real.
  37. Anonymous Member

    Ah yes, the weak argument of quack defenders everywhere.
  38. Anonymous Member

    I finally found Christy Mack at the Bravewell site. Looks like Bravewell will be closing its doors by the end of 2013. Maybe now that she's got $220 million of our tax dollars that she doesn't have to pay back, she's moving on to better things in the Caymans with her husband John Mack, chairman of Morgan Stanley.

    Academic medicine became vulnerable to manipulation by these New Age types who wanted to "transform" healing, when managed care cut reimbursements to the bone and the black PR campaign against "BigPharma" moved soft money from industry out of university teaching hospitals.

    Integrative medicine is a terrible tragedy comparable to Lysenkoism or anything written by George Orwell. I never imagined that a science --a complex social structure and culture involving millions of people-- could be so easily broken. The lesson learned here for me is, US totalitarianism is possible. For totalitarianism is nothing more than government combined with mystical forces. And if science can be so wedded to mysticism, government should be an even easier lay.
  39. Anonymous Member

    Thanks for this rational discussion on alternative medicine.
    Your first paragraph is true.
    The second- not.
    Integrative Medicine includes a grab-bag of techniques and beliefs. You are damning dietary medicine, exercise medicine, environmental medicine and spirituality (all supported by medical research) , along with Homeopathy, Ayurveda, herbal medicine, Chinese Medicine and acupuncture which are not evidence based.

    Generally the crystal and incense group is directed at the spiritual medicine. What ever gets you there works- even though the philosophical basis is moon bat.

  40. Anonymous Member

    Integrative medicine does a better job with environmental medicine and the basis of organic food. If you don't believe in the benefit of environmental medicine I direct you to dioxins and DDT.
    Integrative medicine does a much better job on dietary medicine. (not pasting the pdf here)

    1. [PDF]
      Mediterranean Diet Deconstructed: Evidence-based Culinary ...
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    Integrative medicine does a better job on the use of dietary supplements. If you don't believe in dietary
    supplements I direct you to Scurvy and vitamin C.
    You throw the baby out with the bath water.
    Your points on the profit margins with Integrative Medicine are true.

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