Scientology spending millions on Birmingham headquarters

Discussion in 'Media' started by The Wrong Guy, Nov 6, 2012.

  1. CarterUSP Member

    Damn, I never thought of that.
    Like having to remake the Orientation vid. Or anything with Debbie Cook in it.
    That makes me laugh.
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  2. Anonymous Member

    The way its been going their best bet would be putting names on little sticky plates so they can be purged easily... or post-it notes.
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  4. RolandRB Member

    I did that once and we picked out an 11-1 winner on a bumper race but unfortunately we did not back it. That's a shame because it might have given a chance too show Scientology can be of public benefit.
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  5. TorontosRoot Member

    A benefeit to rip off the public.
  6. Anonymous Member

    would expect better journalsm than this kind of rubbish pr piece for scientology by Adam Sherwin in the independent
  7. Anonymous Member

    WTF is the "League Of Humanitarians" on the right of the above posters? Does that mean donations to the IO.

    Oh do not worry about their names on the plaque, Andrew Chalmers, Joe Taffe, The Lycett Family, those smucks will never leave, until the extraterrestrial lifeboats return to collect them.

    With the new org all those builders and decorators from EG will have some work for the next few weeks, months, years
  8. DeathHamster Member
    Years of thumbs up their arses, more like.

    And the Religious Education College Inc. is South Australian, not American.

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  9. Anonymous Member

  10. Hahaha
    "The church says the building will be opened up to different groups within the community and will incorporate projects such as tackling drug addiction, human rights and education."

    Do they mean different groups such as CCHR, Narconon, The Truth About Drugs, Drug Free UK, Youth For Human Rights, Applied Scholastics......oh wait.....
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  11. RolandRB Member

    Making their claim is way of getting business rates relief.
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  12. TorontosRoot Member

    They wantz to feed the public and children with TEH TECH. Oh and to recruit them. FUCK THAT!
  13. RolandRB Member

    Exactly, and all under the guise of generously donating their space to the local public. They achieved it with the City of London. They will achieve it in Birmingham as well and the British public has to foot the loss in revenues.

    I wish they would get rid of the Charity Commission for England and Wales instead as I am sure there would be a greater financial saving maybe twenty times over since these local authorities can ignore them if they feel like it so what's the point in them being there?
  14. anon walker Moderator

    No worries, it's all sound and fury. Let's see them try to open a Narconon. When they start shilling the locals with the usual 'drugs, literacy, art' bologna, these days an immediate flurry of bad press follows, thus furthering our evil goals.
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  15. TorontosRoot Member

    Also their demise. :D
  16. kthnxbai Member

    Does anyone know what they did with the money they got for selling off parcels of the land, prime development land, around the building in Mosely? Several Scifags were involved with offshore companies in IoM and so on. I don't have the details. It wasn't illegal, but it was definitely shady.
  17. Anonymous Member

    If they ever finish renovating the building that is. First they have to clear Birmingham
  18. RolandRB Member

    Plus that building is in a very bad location for them for getting in the raw meat. Their current location could not be better.
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  19. Anonymous Member

    From the Western Morning News 2000
    "Backed by a financial consortium, Mr. Mappin intends to spend £5 million – possibly more – transforming the faded splendour of King Arthur’s Castle Hotel with its huge stone and marble fireplaces, echoing oak panelled halls and grand, sweeping staircases into a sumptuous, majestic mansion where a modern day Sir Thomas Malory might well find inspiration to pen a contemporary D’Arthur".
    Sounds like John would be the perfect person to oversea the renovations at Birmingham
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  20. DeathHamster Member
    Strange, can't they train auditors at Saint Hill?
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  21. DeathHamster Member

    Aha! Another attempt to gain religious status through the back door, and not pay property taxes.
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  22. Anonymous Member

    The Church of Scientology has submitted a £6m plan to transform a country estate in the Midlands into an "auditing" centre dedicated to recruiting and training new members.
    The secretive religious group, which counts Tom Cruise and John Travolta among its adherents, has lodged a planning application with Birmingham City Council to begin restoration work on the neo-classical, Grade Two listed mansion in Moor Green Lane, Moseley, which it bought seven years ago for £4.25 million.
    Formerly used as office space by an insurance company, the former Pitmaston building will be used as a base to train members of the church.
    The plan envisages restoring the marble and oak panelled interiors of the building, with one wing of the building to be set aside for "auditing" purposes and named the "Hubbard Guidance Centre", after the science fiction author, L Ron Hubbard, who founded the church in 1952.

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    The church has already held consultations to brief residents on the plans, and promised a "complete and sensitive" restoration which will "bring the property back to its former glory".
    The church's director of public affairs in the UK, Graeme Wilson, said the building would be open to visitors.
    "The plans include a complete and sensitive restoration which will cost around £6 million and include skilled crafts to restore marble and oak panelling, as well as structural work to repair and bring back to good condition materials that have been worn or damaged over the years," he said.
    "We held two successful open day events last November and this gave us the opportunity to meet and talk to local people and listen to their thoughts. We were encouraged by the support we received on the attention to detail for the restoration proposals."
    The church currently has 118,000 members in the UK, of whom 15,000 are active participants.
    The mansion has remained unoccupied since the church bought it in September 2007. Prior to that, the building had been the headquarters of the Ideal Benefit insurance society.
    Birmingham City Council said it had received no objections to the plan.

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    15,000 I doubt it
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  23. TorontosRoot Member

    I could see many lies in what they said about talking to the locals.


    Huge amount of doubt. Now we should let the city know the real truth about what this building is going to be used for. I am guessing, RPF and more huma rights abuses, slavery included. The city needs to know a dangerous cult is going to be occupying that building, which afterwards will not look like it originally was., but like a shithole plastered with hubbardcrap.
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  24. RolandRB Member

    The thing is, if they bought the building for 4.5M and they spend 6M on doing it up then at the end of the day they are still left with a building worth only 4.5M in resale value now that they sold the plots of land around it. So the local clams fork out 6M and it turns into nothing and there is maybe only 100 Brummie clams with money to spare and 60K each is a fuck load of moolah to burn.
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  25. TorontosRoot Member

    StolEn money
  26. The Wrong Guy Member

    VIDEO: Church of Scientology planning £33 million Birmingham headquarters - Birmingham Mail

    By Lee Kenny, May 11, 2013

    Birmingham will be at the centre of a £33 million national network of Scientology training centres if proposals to open a new Midland HQ are approved.

    It is set to be converted into the £6 million Hubbard Guidance Centre, named after founder L. Ron Hubbard. An application to convert the Moor Green Lane building is to be decided by the city council’s planning committee on Thursday - with officers recommending approval.

    The controversial organisation has produced a glossy promotional film to advertise its new Birmingham base. The two-minute 40-second video, which includes computer-gendered images of the layout, states: “London may have been the hub of the old British Empire but Birmingham is, and always will be, the city that says ‘Working mans’ England.’’

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  27. TorontosRoot Member

    HELL NO!! They won't open another idle mOrg without anons present to greet tham!

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  28. Anonymous Member

    Ten residents have objected to the plans - many opposed to what they say is not a recognised religion in the UK. But council officers have pointed out that this is not a planning matter.

    so what is a planning matter? Anyone know?
  29. moarxenu Member

    The Birmingham Mail article needs moar harpoonz.
  30. Anonymous Member

    Someone needs to make a video of ALL of the ideal orgs that were purchased by the cult, and show HOW LONG it took to finish them. Including some which have never been finished: SuperPower building, Atlanta Ideal Org, Battle Creek, New Haven, St Louis, Chicago, San Diego, Kansas City, Auckland......the fact that the cult just acquires buildings and keeps them in dilapidated conditions for years, if not decades, should cause red flags to go up for any city that has a request from the cult.
  31. Anonymous Member

    Wrong tactic in this case, as that's the situation they're in now. Refusing the planning permission isn't going to help matters.
  32. Horseradish Member


    A planning matter is anything covered by the national Planning Policy Guidelines or Planning Policy Statements or whatever it is they call them these days, and the local plans developed on the basis of these.

    So stuff like compliance with agreed and approved:
    - transport policies
    - housing policies
    - economy/employment policies
    - leisure, cultural, sports policies
    - environment protection polices and orders e.g. water management, tree preservation orders, bat conservation
    - community policies
    - detailed local plans for the area or neighbourhood

    All objections must be framed in terms of these policies.

    Not relevant:
    - I don't like it/them
    - They aren't a religion
    - Financial/solvency issues

    Whenever a planning issue is dealt with, the local planning officer looking after the case will produce a report - for the planning committee- that includes references to all the relevant national policies, regional policies if any, and all the relevant local policies.
    Any objections need to be filed before that report is produced, so they can be included.

    The quickest way to find out what the relevant planning policies are in an area is:
    - call the council and speak to the planning officer in charge of the case
    - look at the local area plan (borough level). It should be on their website
    - find very similar planning applications elsewhere (other churches? other CoS?) for national policies
    - find similar-ish planning applications in the locality (major buildings) for local policies
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  33. Anonymous Member

    thanks - useful info
  34. Anonymous Member

    "Birmingham will be at the centre of a £33 million national network of Scientology training centres if proposals to open a new Midland HQ are approved."

    Spending that amount of money on buildings is just disgusting. Think how much good could be done for real causes. And as there are only 2,500 scientologists in the uk that amount equates to spending £13,200 per head on new buildings.
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  35. Anonymous Member

    The 2011 census showed 2,418 Scientologists in England and Wales, and 88 in the Birmingham area.
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  37. The Wrong Guy Member

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  38. jensting Member

    Quote a deliberate choice of words -
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  39. anonysamvines Member

    hmm - is Brum one of the places that doesn't give them council tax relief for being a church and doesn't provide benefit to the community?

    could the non profit education facility be another attempt at that as well as a way of buying time?

    What condition is the building in? it is listed after all.
    Local authorities and english heritage do have powers (especially with the right motivation such as people kicking up a fuss) to enforce scilons to do repairs. Especially if the building is dangerous or in danger from neglect - but obviously they need the motivation to prioritise their limited resources.
    Nor can the scilons claim to not be able to afford them now since they can afford a new 6m refit

    Similar EH and listed building status may affect the poor Sunderland org too before it falls down

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