Scientology sued for Fraud! It's going DOWN like bird sh**! (The Garcia Suit)

Discussion in 'Media' started by BlackRob, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. Anonymous Member

    From some of the other declarations Tony O posted it is clear he shared e-mails relating to the case with the CoS.
  2. Anonymous Member

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  3. Anonymous Member

    Very interesting. New dedicated thread? Anyone?
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  5. Anonymous Member

    Culkin just shut down his facebook page, and made his twitter confidential. He also posted this on Tony O's blog:

    "People who know me, know fully where i stand on this issue. There is nothing in that declaration that was secret in any way, shape, or form.
    I am truly sorry if I hurt or offended anyone on this blog.
    I want nothing to do with Scientology, independent, the church anything.
    I just wanted to move on with my life.
    Again. I am incredibly upset by this and I feel extremely angry and upset. My hands are shaking typing this.
    I never thought for a second I was selling anyone out. And if you put emotion aside and read it closely -- I hope you see the same thing.
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  6. Anonymous Member

    ^^^ I think Culkin deserves a thread of his own. He just committed the biggest betrayal in Scientology history since Bob Minton.
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  7. The Internet Member

    Do it. And I will fetch the Yoga Farmer.
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  8. The Wrong Guy Member

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  9. Anonymous Member

    Uh, it's not the same thing! It's more fun dissing on him now for betraying those that were trying to help him get his refund. He essentially just sold his soul in exchange for his own money that Scientology owed him. The most stupid man out there. Frankly he didn't come that smart in the Money Making Machine either. But he does killer handstands.
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  10. desperate faggots are desperate.
  11. wolfbane Member

    Since nobody else has said it yet, I will...

    WTF were they thinking hiring Bob Johnson.


    And my heart goes out to the Garcias. As we commence to call Culkin a faggot and the indies rip each other's face off on Facebook, here's hoping I'm not the only one thinking how badly this must have hit the Garcias. They got robbed all over again.
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  12. Anonymous Member

    Who is Bob Johnson?
  13. Anonymous Member

    Who is going to make a "Brian is two-faced lying OSA's bitch mega-thread"
  14. RolandRB Member

    Google is your friend.

    Bob Johnson is the name of a Tampa attorney who has represented the "Church" before.
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  15. wolfbane Member

    The attorney they want removed that was working as the case manager. The attachments at the end of the Peter Mansell declaration show how deep his work for the cult went in days gone by when he represented them.
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  16. Anonymous Member

    I have this feeling that Bob isn't a successful or competent enough tohandle such high profile cases, I recall reading about his failures elseewhere
  17. Bubbles Member

    Hey Brian,

    Meditate on this


    Attached Files:

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  18. Anonymous Member

    I have this inkling that Bob wasn't a competent or successful attorneys for that matter, I recall reading a case which failed due to Bob's incompotence.
  19. jensting Member

    This was the only thing the clams brought to the appeal in Paris. When it didn't work, they lhet teh courtroom, at which point the court did the sensible thing and found against them :D
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  20. Bubbles Member

    But the fact that the cult is making such a STINK about having him on the case, indicates that he WILL be very valuable to the plaintiff.

    Besides anything that pisses off the cult, works for me!
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  21. hey Brian


    now this music is Brian's official theme song.
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  22. Anonymous Member

    I'm with you on wondering WTF were they thinking. But even more to the point - WTF is up with those idiots Marty and Mike?? They WORKED with Bob Johnson and it appears have been advising the lead attorney, Ted Babbitt and Luis Garcia on the suit. And Rinder and Johnson were actively working with Culkin.

    Rinderburn. Still screwing it up. What a heap of utter scilon fail.
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  23. RolandRB Member

    I think this has fucked up the Garcia case.
  24. Anonymous Member

    That's what I'm thinking too. IANAL, but it seemed like the Garcia case could either open the flood gates or else shut things down hard in terms of refunds.

    Either Rathbun and Rinder had no clue about what using Johnson would entail, or they were too arrogant to believe the case could have been nuked by their stupid advice. These fuckers destroyed evidence in the McPherson case and now this.

    I already was one of the many here who has had major distrust of Rinderburn. Now you can replace the "major" with "total and utter". FUCK' EM.
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  25. Horseradish Member

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  26. lostatsea Member

    They cut out the photo from that same post of Flag Secs holding rain umbrellas in the bright bright sunshine. Can't imagine why. :)
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  27. moarxenu Member

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  28. Gottabrain Member

    Rathbun also got involved in the Debbie Cook case. That didn't go so well, either. Lots of payouts and silence when R&R are involved.

    Nobody should ever trust either of them with anything important, esp legal things.

    Oh, and let's not forget the kid (what was his name?) that Rathbun arranged to have Jason Beghe put up at his home who later turned on him and went back to the cult. Jason ended up in a ridiculous lawsuit (but he handled it well). Thanks a lot, Marty - NOT. :mad:
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  29. RightOn Member

    Daniel Montalvo <-- not sure of the spelling, too lazy to look it up

    Wow! that is something about Brian. SHAME ON HIM!
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  30. wolfbane Member

    You answered the question - they are idiots... who think they know lawfare just because a sick, perverted mindfuck cult once gave them a "legal" job title. Worse yet, the arrogance and over-inflated sense of self worth the cult instills in people likely led M&M to believe they knew better than the actual lawyers. Add in the control-freak factor and we had an atomic backfire in the making.

    But a real lawyer would've never let Culkin be privy to all the phone calls, emails and status updates until he officially signed the retainer/confidentiality forms. Culkin passed thru 3 different attorneys and never signed a damn thing. No doubt Rinder was counting his eggs before they hatched, assuming he had Culkin and everyone else involved under control. But he failed to realize Culkin's relatively short exposure to the mindfk made him NOT like the rest - he was not sheeple conditioned to follow authority and always put the group's interests above all else.

    With all their so-called "legal" and cult strategy expertise, M&M should've been expecting efforts to flip someone on the team. And after 2-3 months of Culkin not signing on the dotted line, it should've been obvious where the weak link was. Yet according to Culkin's declaration, they left that loose end flapping in the wind from August 2012 until February 2013 - SIX fking months! The fact that the real attorneys never pointed this out dumbfounds me.

    In the OG critics world, there was always a "secure your perimeters" mentality that ran wide and ran deep. Too deep in many instances, to the point of paranoia. But having a large dose of that caution and tendency to take every precaution was wise. That was where the BIG mistake in this mess is/was imo. The dumbasses expected they could micromanage the case on the blind faith in their own skills to handle it and never took the necessary precautions to secure their perimeters as they put the pieces into place.

    But hindsight is 20/20 and none of this retro evaluation does the Garcias any good. So here's hoping the cult's Motion to Disqualify is full of fail and footbullets for the Garcias' sake. And that M&M wake the fk up and realize they left this happen on their watch and their own stupidity is as much to blame to as Culkin is.

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  31. moarxenu Member

    Excellent commentary, WB.

    One thing that concerns me is the naiveté of lawyers coming to Scientology cases without sufficient understanding and background and relying on the likes of M&M.

    Patrick Desmond's attorneys did a great job, but others have made mistakes that would not be made by the youngest 18-year-old in Chanology.

    Perhaps we should create a Newfag Lawyer Info Pack.
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  32. anonsoldier Member

    I like that idea. We have a Press Pack, a legal Info Pack would be extremely helpful in consolidating stuff that we've learned over the years from both OG and Chanology efforts. There should always be a Lessons Learned type deal for everything we've done so newbies can walk-in to the fight, read about past experiences, and not have to make the same mistakes that have already been made and learned from.
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  33. wolfbane Member

    Keep in mind, that is what the cult's so-called "legal directors" do best - control, manipulate and "run" attorneys to play their "game" the way they think it should be done for whatever they think is in the group's best interests. Since this is NOT a class action, the group mentality does not fly. Each case should be handled in a way that is in the best interest of the individual(s) taking the hit to pay the retainer and put their lives under attack to file it. IOW, the first dynamic (self) is the primary concern in each individual case, not the third dynamic (group).

    The more parties involved, the more the interests of each individual plaintiff needs safeguarded, protected and taken into consideration. So that loose end they left flapping in the wind when they didn't ensure Culkin signed on the dotted line before exposing him to all their strategies and progress, was essentially hanging the Garcias' (and any other future plaintiff who did sign on the dotted line) asses out to dry.

    And if Rinder is truly out of the cult-mentality mode, he'll own up to that mistake and readily except part of the blame that falls squarely in his lap for leaving his guard down rather than letting his reactive conditioning make Culkin the automatic scapegoat who's high crime is that he betrayed the group.
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  34. Anonymous Member

    An almost perfect post.
    s/would of/would've/
    s/should of/should've/
  35. wolfbane Member

    Fix'd - thanks. I haz bad habit of clobbering my shoulda/coulda/woulda remarks when trying to type how I think. Lack of coffee during early morning rant does not help.
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  36. OTeleventy Member

    Me again with predictions. I have a feeling the court might say "too far removed in time" to DQ. Just a gut feeling. (and, honestly, I've been around this block a time or three, you just never know what a judge might do.)
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  37. So, what exactly is Brian getting crucified for here? As far as I can tell he is telling the truth, so even if he hadn't made that declaration I'm sure Scientology's PIs would have eventually dug Rinderburn's involvement up some other way. It's a fairly high-stakes case, they definitely have the motivation.

    I need some popcorn.
  38. OTeleventy Member

    I'll make this very simple. Brian is being crucified because, when the CoS asked him to sign a declaration, he agreed. Truth, or no truth, he agreed to help the cult.

    He could have at least waited until a subpoena arrived. No. He, like an eager dog, jumped to help the CoS.

    His involvement might have been unearthed. A good attorney would list every person that would have knowledge of the facts and thereafter subpoenaed them. BUT NOOO Culkin jumped into the fray and decided he wanted to give his testimony to the cult.

    I think he should never have been trusted. Not a tin-foiler, but I think he was a plant from the get-go.
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  39. He also shared dox with the Co$ which may/may not have revealed sekrit strategy.
  40. Quentinanon Member

    Until Marty and Mike come clean, they are still dirty.
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