Wolfbane, I'm with you, but I take a much harder line on this. Undoubtedly, Rathbun was orchestrating things. Rinder has not been directly involved in anything like this for so many years he's just not sharp anymore. And he would, as usual, follow Rathbun's lead, always his dog when called. And the attorneys. YES they knew better, YES signing the agreements is standard and it's unheard-of that any attorney would neglect this. Unless someone who claimed to be in charge and was oh-so-expert made a point of saying it wasn't necessary. Gee,,, who might that be? Didn't Rathbun tell the attorneys what to do when he worked for COS? As I'm sure he did now. Marty is 4/4 on "oopsy!" on legal matters against COS and he knocks himself out to get involved with all of them. Why? Because that's who he is. He is a control freak, obsessed with fooling everyone with some overblown, fabricated image of himself rather than letting others know the messed-up wreck he is and always has been. Marty is about Marty. Marty is about sucking personal power off others, blaming others and wrecking things and he doesn't actually CARE that he's unqualified as hell because he's too vain to see it and he won't learn from this time any more than he learned from when he sent the the Montalvo kid who ended up being traitorous to Jason Beghe. Weird, isn't it, that BOTH of these OSA spies got in through Marty and no legal dox signed to proof up the vulnerable victims/witnesses either time? There's no reason for Marty Rathbun to be involved. We've waited years and he STILL hasn't provided any useful testimony - on his blogs, in his books or anywhere. Nothing, nada. He won't ever do so, either. He gets his name on, gets inside and wrecks these legal cases so he will never, ever have to testify in any of them, everyone is paid off and silenced if the case isn't lost altogether, but none of it is his fault, ever. Sound familiar? It does to me. Rinder I can say was arrogant, blind and stupid. Marty... well, Wolfbane, all I can tell you is many of the execs of the DM era rose to their positions because they just didn't give a damn about anything or anybody but their egos and obsession with power and controlling things.