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    *Should clergy counsel the suicidal?*
    Following the _Nally_ case, there has been increasing debate as to whether clergy should even counsel suicidal persons (see Sullender & Malony, 1990). The arguments against such clergy counseling assert growing legal liability, the lack of effective training, the demands of a suicidal crisis, the lack of time and energy to address it, and the failure of many pastoral counselors to recognize and respect these limitations. Those making these arguments assert that clergy not engage in this counseling, but instead refer the suicidal person on to psychiatrists or other professional helpers.
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    National Suicide Crisis Hotlines

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    of note, para 14 and 15
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    para 5

    "In Scientology we have the phenomenon of preclears in session or students on courses deciding to leave and never coming back. And that gives us more trouble than most other things combined."
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    re Scientology

    How Does Mind Control Work?

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    "coercive persuasion or thought reform as it is sometimes known, is best understood as a coordinated system of graduated coercive influence and behavior control designed to deceptively and surreptitiously manipulate and influence individuals, usually in a group setting, in order for the originators of the program to profit in some way, normally financially or politically"
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    Coercive Mind Control Tactics

    Terminology note:
    Today Mind control or brainwashing in academia is commonly referred to as coercive persuasion, coercive psychological systems or coercive influence. The short description below comes from Dr. Margaret Singer professor emeritus at the University of California at Berkeley the acknowledged leading authority in the world on mind control and cults.

    a short overview

    Coercion is defined by the American Heritage Dictionary as:

    1. To force to act or think in a certain manner
    2. To dominate, restrain, or control by force
    3. To bring about by force.

    Coercive psychological systems are behavioral change programs which use psychological force in a coercive way to cause the learning and adoption of an ideology or designated set of beliefs, ideas, attitudes, or behaviors. The essential strategy used by the operators of these programs is to systematically select, sequence and coordinate many different types of coercive influence, anxiety and stress-producing tactics over continuous periods of time. In such a program the subject is forced to adapt in a series of tiny "invisible" steps. Each tiny step is designed to be sufficiently small so the subjects will not notice the changes in themselves or identify the coercive nature of the processes being used. The subjects of these tactics do not become aware of the hidden organizational purpose of the coercive psychological program until much later, if ever. These tactics are usually applied in a group setting by well intentioned but deceived "friends and allies" of the victim. This keeps the victim from putting up the ego defenses we normally maintain in known adversarial situations. The coercive psychological influence of these programs aim to overcome the individual's critical thinking abilities and free will - apart from any appeal to informed judgment. Victims gradually lose their ability to make independent decisions and exercise informed consent. Their critical thinking, defenses, cognitive processes, values, ideas, attitudes, conduct and ability to reason are undermined by a technological process rather than by meaningful free choice, rationality, or the inherent merit or value of the ideas or propositions being presented. How Do They Work?

    The tactics used to create undue psychological and social influence, often by means involving anxiety and stress, fall into seven main categories.

    TACTIC 1

    Increase suggestibility and "soften up" the individual through specific hypnotic or other suggestibility-increasing techniques such as: Extended audio, visual, verbal, or tactile fixation drills, Excessive exact repetition of routine activities, Sleep restriction and/or Nutritional restriction.

    TACTIC 2

    Establish control over the person's social environment, time and sources of social support by a system of often-excessive rewards and punishments. Social isolation is promoted. Contact with family and friends is abridged, as is contact with persons who do not share group-approved attitudes. Economic and other dependence on the group is fostered.

    TACTIC 3

    Prohibit disconfirming information and non supporting opinions in group communication. Rules exist about permissible topics to discuss with outsiders. Communication is highly controlled. An "in-group" language is usually constructed.

    TACTIC 4

    Make the person re-evaluate the most central aspects of his or her experience of self and prior conduct in negative ways. Efforts are designed to destabilize and undermine the subject's basic consciousness, reality awareness, world view, emotional control and defense mechanisms. The subject is guided to reinterpret his or her life's history and adopt a new version of causality.

    TACTIC 5

    Create a sense of powerlessness by subjecting the person to intense and frequent actions and situations which undermine the person's confidence in himself and his judgment.

    TACTIC 6

    Create strong aversive emotional arousals in the subject by use of nonphysical punishments such as intense humiliation, loss of privilege, social isolation, social status changes, intense guilt, anxiety, manipulation and other techniques.

    TACTIC 7

    Intimidate the person with the force of group-sanctioned secular psychological threats. For example, it may be suggested or implied that failure to adopt the approved attitude, belief or consequent behavior will lead to severe punishment or dire consequences such as physical or mental illness, the reappearance of a prior physical illness, drug dependence, economic collapse, social failure, divorce, disintegration, failure to find a mate, etc.

    These tactics of psychological force are applied to such a severe degree that the individual's capacity to make informed or free choices becomes inhibited. The victims become unable to make the normal, wise or balanced decisions which they most likely or normally would have made, had they not been unknowingly manipulated by these coordinated technical processes. The cumulative effect of these processes can be an even more effective form of undue influence than pain, torture, drugs or the use of physical force and physical and legal threats.

    How does Coercive Psychological Persuasion Differ from Other Kinds of Influence? Coercive psychological systems are distinguished from benign social learning or peaceful persuasion by the specific conditions under which they are conducted. These conditions include the type and number of coercive psychological tactics used, the severity of environmental and interpersonal manipulation, and the amount of psychological force employed to suppress particular unwanted behaviors and to train desired behaviors.

    Coercive force is traditionally visualized in physical terms. In this form it is easily definable, clear-cut and unambiguous. Coercive psychological force unfortunately has not been so easy to see and define. The law has been ahead of the physical sciences in that it has allowed that coercion need not involve physical force. It has recognized that an individual can be threatened and coerced psychologically by what he or she perceives to be dangerous, not necessarily by that which is dangerous.

    Law has recognized that even the threatened action need not be physical. Threats of economic loss, social ostracism and ridicule, among other things, are all recognized by law, in varying contexts, as coercive psychological forces.

    Why are Coercive Psychological Systems Harmful? Coercive psychological systems violate our most fundamental concepts of basic human rights. They violate rights of individuals that are guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and affirmed by many declarations of principle worldwide.

    By confusing, intimidating and silencing their victims, those who profit from these systems evade exposure and prosecution for actions recognized as harmful and which are illegal in most countries such as: fraud, false imprisonment, undue influence, involuntary servitude, intentional infliction of emotional distress, outrageous conduct and other tortuous acts. - Margaret Thaler Singer, Ph.D -

    Margaret Thaler Singer, Ph.D. Biography
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    re scientology

    "When it comes to promoting Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard's philosophy has always been "hard sell" in his marketing series 12, Hubbard explains, "Hard Sell means insistence that people buy." When promoting Scientology, he instructs, "you tell him that he's going to sign up right now and he is going to take it right now." According to Hubbard, the reason it's done this way is that, "...people are in a more or less hypnotic daze in their aberated state, and they respond to direct commands in literature and ads."

    see previous article
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    hope this question has been fully answered
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    cyber slapping is wrong
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    there is a great deal of information at
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    slobeck said:
    little rabbit herro,
    hoppin through the message board,
    pickin' up the anon kids and boppin' em on the head.
    dooooooowwwwwnnn came Miranda and she said....
    little rabbit Herro,
    You know I really hate it, yo
    all this pickin' up the anon kids and boppin' em on the head!
    And Herro said
    "Meh, Fuck off" "wanna fuck?"

    as in ancient movie Eyes Wide Shut, which seems to be based on the premise that Tom is a psych and Nicole is OSA and she marries him to fair game him

    or Nicole is just in a cult and he finds out - but why is she undercover?

    Or, is the plot just too messed up to understand?

    Or, is this comment meant to suggest that Herro, like Nicole is undercover?

    Or, is this comment really slap worthy?


    Google: last line in movie Eyes Wide Shut

    Google: You Tube "Are Your Eyes Wide Shut to Scientology?Cult!

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    1) Herro's comment (see above) was similar to the final line in the movie "Eyes Wide Shut". If interested in that, google 'final line in Eyes Wide Shut' - there are several articles. (He was also cyber-slapped, but that is not relevant.)

    2) A question was then posed as to the movies' meaning.

    3) An answer is available on a youtube video by using google search "Are Your Eyes Wide Shut to Scientology? Cult!."

    (or try link

    4) There is also a further explanation of the film at

    5) The youtube video "Are Your Eyes Wide Shut to Scientology? Cult!" references Scientology.

    6) The same video compares Scientology and Illuminati symbols and it is interesting.
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    Herro's cyber slap was not relevant, should read

    "He was cyber-slapped which was unnecessary"
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    Seemed relevant.
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    Scientology also believes in this

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