Scientology's US Tax Exempt Properties

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THANKS you amazing sleuth!

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^ ur doing it right. Great idea, great thread.

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Some counties will list how much tax was not collected as a result of an exemption on the assessment for the property.

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so that would mean they are not tax exempt? or patially, have no idea
can you please use the format I am using and list the Seattle Org in the next post?
thanks!
off to rest

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Thanks for the kind words.

But people please if you are going to quote a post that has addresses and info in it, pleeeeeease leave out the info, so it does not get confusing
thanks! over and out

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This is an excellent idea. I would suggest starting with just a list of properties in each state. The states/counties/cities involved may even see this and look it up themselves and perhaps look to start taxing them. Once we have a full or mostly full list, then we can research them and look up the taxes and start adding numbers.

Another interesting thought... I wonder if states or counties or even cities/townships can levy a special cult tax or a tax on any religion that forces a tithe or charges for services or requires donations. I'm sure the cult would sue, but if enough places did this at once, it would bog them down big time legally.

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This is the tax information for the L. Ron Hubbard house in Phoenix. It doesn't appear to be owned directly by the cult. And the owners do pay property tax on it.

You'll also note that like every other property in the Phoenix area, the assessed value of the house has dropped by 25 percent. The lot is also huge (47,000 square feet) compared to modern-day teeny tiny lots.

Property Information
Parcel #: 171-50-024 <<< Most important piece of information--key to the rest.
MCR #: 2746
Property Address: 5501 N 44TH ST / PHOENIX 85018
Property Description: VALHALLA AMD MCR 27-46 LOT 1 EX W 7F TH/OF
Section Township Range: 18 2N 4E
Subdivision Name: VALHALLA AMDENDED TR C LOT 1-4, 6, 7, 15-18
Lot #: 1
School Dist: SCOTTSDALE UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT
Local Jurisdiction: PHOENIX


Owner Information
Owner: MILE HIGH INC
Mailing Address: 6400 CANOGA AVE STE 315 / WOODLAND HILLS, CA 91367 USA
Deed #: 010832644
Deed Date: 9/10/2001
Sales Price: $400,362
Sales Month/Year: 12/2000

Valuation Information
Tax Year: 2011 2010 2009
Full Cash Value (FCV): $447,700 $604,000 $677,600
Limited Property Value (LPV): $447,700 $604,000 $553,988
Notice: The values displayed on this page may not reflect constitutional or statutory adjustments.
Legal Class: M M M
Assessment Ratio: 10.0% 10.0% 10.0%
Assessed FCV: $44,770 $60,400 $67,760
Assessed LPV: $44,770 $60,400 $55,399
Property Use Code: 0181 0181 0181
Tax Area Code: 481300 481300 481300

Characteristics
Square Feet of Living Space: 1,819
Improvement Quality Grade: R-3
Lot Square Footage: 47,045
Market Area/Neighborhood: 05/005
Covered Parking: 0 None
Unique Location Characteristics: Corner
Construction Year: 1945
Pool Square Footage: 500
Number of Patios: 1
Bath Fixtures: 10
Patio Type: Covered
Cooling: Refrigeration
Exterior Walls: 8" Painted Block
Heating: Yes
Roof Type: Asphalt Shingle
Physical Condition: Average

Maricopa County Arizona

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Hubbard-Telescope already did a lot of the legwork listing scientology orgs and missions and their addresses. Here is the US part, see thread for rest of the world as well.

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/8-ed...fficial-orgs-missions-world-43231/#post823820

The list is 1 year old, shouldn't be too many major changes.

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Newspaper articles could help you find purchase prices and such.

Don't forget the secret vault facilities near Petrolia and Twin Peaks California (and Hubbard's final home near San Juan Capistrano), and the one near Las Vegas New Mexico. The county clerk of courts is the main place to go. You need to look up not only Church of Scientology, but also Narconon, Building Management Services, church of Spiritual Technology, and other names they go by as owners of any property.

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Guys, one more thing before I sign off.
Can you please use the format I was using?
So we don't have walls of text in the posts, we just need the the "meat" of the listing.
We don't need to know structual details and all that.
That way it makes it easier to pick up the exact info and transfer it.
thanks!
Mirele can you pull the just the facts if posibble ( I didn't read it) out of that post and edit it perhaps?
Like this format below?

STATE
Name of Organization
Status, XXX amount they would be paying.

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Anyone in Florida willing to compile the Pinellas County properties? I don't have the time to do it.
Operation Clambake Message Board :: View topic - CofS owns 200 million dollars worth of property in Pinellas

Currently 81 properties for &quot;Church of Scientology&quot; in Pinellas County, and they should still be worth around $200 million.



Because of tax exemptions, their property taxes should still chopped in half from $4 million to $2 million.

Also, does Scientology still owe the city of Clearwater $5.4 million in outstanding fees? Sea Horse on OCMB just dug this up, but doesn't indicate if it is still current.

Operation Clambake Message Board :: View topic - CofS owns 200 million dollars worth of property in Pinellas

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MASS.

Church of Scientology Boston
448 Beacon Street
Boston Mass. 02115
Status- tax exempt, Can be paying $104,539.00 a year in taxes
Parcel number 0503671000
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District of Columbia

Founding Church of Scientology (Frazer Mansion)- VACANT
1701 20th Street
Washington, DC
Status- tax Exempt- Can be paying $119,500.00 yearly
Parcel 01100060

Church of Scientology
1424 16th Street
Washington DC,
Status- Tax Exempt, Can be paying $262,749.00 yearly
Parcel Number 01810821


PENN
Church OF Scientology Pennsylvania
1315 Race Street
Philidelphia, Pa
Status- Tax exempt, Can be paying $1,184.00
BRT Account Number: 771079600
http://brtweb.phila.gov/brt.apps/Search/SearchResults.aspx?id=2282001312


OHIO
Church of Scientology
1266 Dublin Road
Columbus, OH
Status- not exempt,
Parcel number 010-129556-00
http://franklincountyoh.metacama.com/do/searchByParcelId?taxDistrict=010&parcelNbr=129556

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Washington

Parcel # 224900-0150
Church of Scientology of Washington State
601 Aurora Avenue N.
Seattle, WA 98109
Status: Tax Exempt as of 2010 - Not paying in taxes $2,981,800


Church bought NEW ORG 2005: $3,700,000
Parcel #1989200520
Church of Scientology - Mission of Seattle
300 W. Harrison
Seattle, WA 98119
Status: Tax Exempt as of 2010 - Not paying in taxes $3,315,000
Actual TAXES $29,973.57 were it not exempt.

Parcel # 720220-0010 EXECU-U-RENT LLC (owner?) Must rent office suite
Church of Scientology of the Eastside
7901 168th Avenue Northeast #200
Redmond, WA 98052
Status: Tax Exempt


Church of Scientology Mission
Kirkland, WA 98033
Google it you will find a residential house.

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Weird, I finally figured out how to locate by IMAP but when I search this address it keeps bringing up info of on a wooden structure - dental office instead! NOTE: Building has been renovated & worth a lot more.
I am trying to use Google Earth to check address but having a hard time opening it (haven't used it in long time.)

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I think we'll need columns for what they payed and current value (where known), and one for approximated current value where not known.

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Google Maps

Why would Google Earth Street View - show Seattle new Org location as a small wooden building?

When I used King County's IMAP:

King County iMAP: Interactive Mapping Tool

I also get a small wooden structure instead of new Seattle's Sea Org:



What am I doing wrong? I am typing in correct address.
Can someone else try this?

GOT IT! WRONG F-N Address: They must use this address for mail, whatever!
Address is 300 W. Harrison St

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012502517_scientology01m.html

NO MATCHING King County records on the REAL Sea Org address: 300 W. Harrison!

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IDK, when I put in their address on the WA accessor's site, it pullls up a different address which is a residence
I would say some of these look ups are not very accurate.

EDITED crap~

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MICHIGAN

Church Of Scientology BC
43 POPLAR ST
BATTLE CREEK, MI 49017-4809
PAID $2,176.25 - 07/27/2010
Parcel : 1650-00-017-0



CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY ANN ARBOR
31 N WASHINGTON AVE
BATTLE CREEK, MI 49017-3025
PAID $408.28 - 07/07/2010
and $27.18 in PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX
Parcel: 0255-00-011-0

https://is.bsasoftware.com/bsa.is/T...gy&appid=1&actSn=43&actSna=POPLAR ST&unit=337

I would imagine that Ann Arbor is tax exempt if they paid that little?

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Can only find this so far:

WASHINGTON

Church of Scientoloigy Seattle 552665
300 W HARRISON ST
Seattle Wa 98119
Status- tax Exempt

Mailing address:
601 AURORA AVE N
SEATTLE WA 98121

Total amount due for 2010: $353.51
second half due Nov 1st 2010
Parcel No. 198920-0520

https://payments.kingcounty.gov/met...Property.aspx?Parcel=YSon66vaJLR5MjZj+RthOA==

Interesting that they were billed $707.02 for "Surface water and Noxious Weed"? and only paid half of it! LOL!

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Too funny, they can't afford to pay their utilities! VERY GOOD SIGN!
What do you think about me checking out buildings close to the same size of Harrison Org. in Queen Area (again very elite area) what they are required to pay in property taxes?

Hmmm wonder why Aurora building has 2 different Parcelhttp://info.kingcounty.gov/Assessor/eRealProperty/Dashboard.aspx?ParcelNbr=1989200520 Numbers?
Parcel # 224900-0150
Parcel #1989200520

I FOUND IT!!!

2010 Appraised @ $3,315,000!
Taxable total would be the same if they weren't exempt!

In 2002 it was appraised @ $4,248,900!

Hmmm but still doesn't explain the rate yes property taxes seem to based on the appraised value, but they would NOT be charged that amount each year if they were paying their taxes.
Now we need a tax person to calculate this?
The link provides tax levy shit but all that's above my pay scale.

https://payments.kingcounty.gov/metrokc.ecommerce.propertytaxweb/RealProperty.aspx?Parcel=YSon66vaJLR5MjZj%2bRthOA%3d%3d

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yeah... appraisal value is not what they pay. There is also market value like I said before.
I am not bothering with that now. I am just trying to find the ones that show their exemption total right off the bat to get those out of the way and hope that a real estate fag or whatever comes by this thread and helps.

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Calling out all name fagged anons!
If you can go down to the tax office and look up stuff in your area and report back that would be nifty.
We need posts in this format:

STATE
Name of building (Church of Scientology Seattle)
address
status- tax exempt or not?- what they would be paying $ in taxes
parcel number

Also calling out all Euro fags to please start a thread for COS tax exemption properties!!!

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NEW YORK

Church of Scientology New York
28 WEST 74 STREET
New York City, NY
(Borough, MANHATTAN Block- 01126, Lot-0048)
Status- not exempt, Annual Property Tax $153,142
Parcel:1-126-48
Billing Name and address:
Owner name not on file!

Mailing Address:
MIDBORO MANAGEMENT
148 W. 37TH ST. FL. 8
NEW YORK, NY 10018-6978

http://nycprop.nyc.gov/nycproperty/StatementSearch?bbl=1011260048&stmtDate=20100827&stmtType=SOA

http://webapps.nyc.gov:8084/cics/f704/f403001i?DET=1-01126-0048-

IDK, this one just doesn't seem right to me? Can anyone confirm?

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CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OF MICHIGAN
28000 MIDDLEBELT,STE 100
FARMINGTON HILLS, MI 48334-4180

Year / Season Total Amt Total Paid
2009, Winter $2,141.98 $0.00
2009, Summer $6,833.00 $6,833.00

2008, Winter $2,158.69 $0.00
2008, Summer $6,725.35 $6,725.35

Not sure what it means, other than payment of some taxes in the summer, and not winter.....
First number is the tax the second is what was paid
Could be partial tax break? Looks like paying $6K + per year

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Yeah. A standard way to present the data would be a help.

Anyway. I have a spreadsheet started. It's got the info in this thread so far.

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thanks!
yeah in the OP and other posts I suggested this format.
Is this format working good for you?

STATE
Name of building (Church of Scientology Seattle)
address
status- tax exempt or not?- what they would be paying $ in taxes
parcel number

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To me it looks like total amount and than total amount paid is ZERO?
I have no idea, this stuff makes my head spin

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Georgia
Church of Scientology of Georgia (Ideal Org)
5395 Roswell Rd. Sandy Springs, Ga. 30342
Status: Tax-exempt *Estimated 81,623
Parcel ID: 17 -0069-0001-051-4

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*Calculations for estimate
Building next door value: 2,123,200
CoS building value: 6,043,700

Building next door taxes: 28,675.09
CoS estimated taxes: x

Ratios:
2,123,200 : 6,043,700
28,675.09 : x
x=81623.54

I believe that is the only property in Ga. they own; the rest they rent or lease.

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^^^ now that is a beautiful post!

thanks!!

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The columns on the spread sheet are as follows:
City; address; name of org; tax status; Parcel Number; Source of Data-URL; comments

This will change over time as we learn. It will do for a start. For instance, we'll want to be able to pull up all the dollar numbers for any given state or ZIP or whatever.

i tried to put it on googles docs and got rejected. I'll try again later.

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The tax rate is $9.0418 per $1000 of appraised value. The parcel with appraised value of $3,315,000 would therefore be taxed $29,973.57 were it not exempt.

They bought it for $3,700,000.00. Therefore they have unrealized capital loss of the difference between the current appraised value (assuming it is accurate) and the purchase price or $385,000.00. I mention this because another aspect of holding exempt real estate is exemption from capital gains taxes should the property increase in value and be sold. This however is a different issue from property taxes, although as long as we are gathering this info, it might be beneficial to record sales info.

I think a good format would be to have columns for

Land - appraised value
Improvements - appraised value
Amount of Land Exempt from Tax
Amount of Improvements Exempt from Tax
Tax rate
Actual Tax Levied
Tax that would have been levied if not exempt
Date of Purchase by Co$
Amount Paid by Co$

DON'T forget to record DATES!

It might also be helpful how much of their purchase price was for land and how much for improvements. It probably wont be split out in county records but could be estimated from appraisal near date of purchase. The purpose of this would be to estimate how much of a deduction for depreciation would the building be entitled to if it were not exempt. This is related to federal income tax, not property tax, but could be useful some day.

BTW I don't think their bill is overdue yet. They paid 1/2 the annual bill with the other half not due til November. (if you are talking about that $353)

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Wow you one smart dude!

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hey as far as the format suggested above in post# 72, sorry, but I am not going to do all that work, that is just too tedious, and I have a life. If someone wants to do all that work than great.
It's hard enough to get people to work on any project as it is. I was just trying to keep it really simple.

We or I should say I am basically trying to get a dollar amount per US state for all COS owned buildings in the US that they are not paying taxes on.
And then eventually get a total for all of US states combined.
This is just to show the burden on other tax payers and for other people to access it easily.
If we make it look too complicated it will be tl/dr IMO.
It needs to be short and sweet

Adhocrat has strated a spread sheet and had been pulling the info from this thread with the simple format we are using.

What I am interested in is getting simple STATS right now.
How much per state for all exempt COS buildings...
Then a combined total for all states = total number of $$ = mad tax payers and hopefully some mad politicans = win
To see the total will really piss people off.

End prooduct is maybe a nice shiny flyer showing the total tax exemption for the US.
And numbers that everyone can understand.

A flyer for protests with something maybe like:
"Do you know the burden that the Church of Scientology puts on US tax payers?
The Church of Scientology's total tax exemption for the US is $XXXX!!!"


If someone wants to do it the other way with all that other work (which of course would be nice to have) they are welcome to do so, but not me.
I also think people would have to constantly update it with a fluctuating market, and I don't know who would want to keep up with all that?
Maybe I am wrong.

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Also waiting for the UK, AU and others to start their tax exempt threads for their area, have not seen anything yet.

Again other areas would really benefit by having a flyer with simple stats to hand out to the general public.

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I'll do Portland, Oregon (my homey state) but I am confused where the new Portland Sea Org is located. There are quite a few Co$ addresses in Portland & I believed they recently moved.
Any Portland Anon's here?

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FLORIDA
CLEARWATER

CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY FLAG SVC
ORG INC
503 CLEVELAND ST
CLEARWATER, FL 33755-4007

Site Address:
109 N FT HARRISON AVE
CLEARWATER, FL
Status- tax exempt, 2009 exemption- $461,177
Parcel: 16/29/15/32274/001/0050

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CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY RELIGIOUS
TRUST
319 S GARDEN AVE
CLEARWATER, FL 33756-5423

site address:
645 FRANKLIN ST
CLEARWATER, FL
Status Tax Exempt. 2009 exemption- $6,362,281
Parcel - 15/29/15/54450/012/0030

https://www.pinellas.county-taxes.com/tcb/app/re/accounts?alternate_key=15/29/15/54450/012/0030
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CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY RELIGIOUS
TRUST
C/O HUBER, MARY SALINAS TRE
319 S GARDEN AVE
CLEARWATER, FL 33756-5423

Site address:
41 N FT HARRISON AVE
CLEARWATER, FL
Status-tax exempt, 2009 exemption-$205,000
Parcel: 16/29/15/18648/000/0010


for all of the aboce
http://www.pcpao.org/

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does this help?

In 2005, the Celeberity center merged with the Church of COS
they sold the Stevens buliding at a loss of 43,000.00 -poor members!

And bought:
Sherlock Building at 320 S.W. Oak Street for $6.4 million

looks like they protest now on Southwest Salmon Street?

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Something's not right about this. $6 mil for prop tax in this location?

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I will go check it again, please do not quote the entire quote so it does not get confusing