Scilon Freedom Magazine strikes back at SP Times!!

Fact-Checking the Freedom and SPT Articles

If you look at the pics of Nashville CC opening they have large tarps that release the confetti out of frame.

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And then there was the same claim at Hubbard's death announcement in 1986 by Pat Broeker with Davie standing right there.

Pretty soon they'll have 100% corrected the tech more times than the JWs have set a date for the end of the world.

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Even if shooped, the crowd in the photo doesn't appear to number much more than around 400, maybe 500 people tops. The stage appears to be just off to the left side of the photo so there wouldn't be much point in any crowd gathering beyond that boundary. The sidewalks are more or less clear of people. If there were as many as a hundred more people that didn't manage to fit in the photo it would be surprising.

As was the case in Nashville, the space is pretty much of a walled canyon with little to no room for a crowd to spread out beyond the confines of the street itself.
I'd guess the crowd (even if shooped) to be at most, 10% of what was claimed.

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It would be lulzy if they made revisions to their own online version with ovar 9000 pairs of SP-eyes watching.

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Yeah but the area this confetti is coming from has no delivery system. the only place this could have come from is the roof. A confetti canon does make sense though. I didnt think of that. but with what we know about the crowd below its still possible the confetti is shooped.

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I think the cult have largely learned their lesson from shooping the audience after Arnie Lerma exposed them (although nothing would surprise me anymore).

Yeah, if the cult is claiming that there were ovar 9000 people attending an event then you can be certain, with all that "scientology is expanding" rhetoric, that they would really want to show that in their publicity material. In the Fort Homicde example, where they have penty of room, DM would never allow the cropping out of the crowd and you can be sure that DM would want all of them outside for the photo-op. So, with the cults own photos and with what clearwater anons have reported, one can be pretty confident that the extraordinary attendance claims are a lie or perhaps, if one was beng kind, partly extrapolated from attendance over a period of days of an event rather than the actual number of people in front of the podium at the time.

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Anything is possible when over 234 countries visit your website.

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Don't forget the other 75 planets in the Galactic Federation... it's not just Teegeeack you know.

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please please please tell me the SP times recorded the phone conversations of David Miscavige constantly rescheduling "the" interview.

and what's this? they post pictures of "fact-checker", "kingpin", and "con-man"'s homes on page 55? why i do believe that's positively identifying who these people are and thereby paving the way for libel action.

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In D.C. recently, the cult was having a photo op as a group behind the org. Interestingly, they using a green-screen backdrop. Certainly taking a group shot with a green screen would only be used to create some illusion.

(I noticed this in the thread about the guy who assaulted Hubbards-Telescope).

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Hey, BTW, if he were home, wouldn't John Travolta be getting a copy of this as well, since he lives in the Clearwater area?

Just an interesting thought...

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They may well use high res source but when you scan photos in most magazines and books you get an interference or "moire" pattern due to the printing process they use (mostly offset press, typically at 150 - 200 lpi). Some shooping programs have a specific feature to remove moire patterns but, if not, sometimes you can just blur them, preferably a Gaussian Blur of a hi res scan of the mag which preserves more of the detail than ordinary blur. I tried it and it works. So, if someone can scan the required pictures at epic-mega-resolution (600dpi should be more than enough) in compressed TIFF (which is not lossy like JPG is) then, after fixing the moire problem, you may have something better than the cult's online source. You don't get something for nothing though but at least it won't have the JPEG compression artefacts. Note that the scan resolution is optical resolution, not interpolated resolution which is a shitty software way to give higher resolution from cheap low res scanner optics.

Have I lost you yet? LOL.
This probably needs another thread.

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A former Scio friend of mine told me that a copy of the Emmy that Ted Koppel rec'd for doing that interview with DM was made and presented to DM.

My former friend told me that her husband was the one who made it for DM. He works on a lot of scn art projects.

DM and his minions thought he did a great job in that interview. They were not allowed to think anything else.

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Ooops, copyright violation. But I guess they'll let it pass, eh?

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Does anyone have an 'in' at Gawker? Seems like this potent mix of news+crazy+media+laughs would be right up their alley.

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Agreed. I have a feeling that Gawker would have a field day with this story.

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sending to glosslip and gawker

:0)

EDIT: gawker is no working?

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This



Yeah, I quote myself. Fuck you.

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I'm not from Florida but any libel suit will have to adhere to the standard the Supreme Court laid down in New York Times v. Sullivan. 376 U.S. 254 (1964). It's possible Florida law protects libel defendants even more strongly than Sullivan, but since the case is an absolute loser under Sullivan, the SP Times doesn't need more.

They'd have to be idiots to sue for libel over this. The SP Times was a lot more careful than Time Magazine and there are no bogus witnesses like Steven Fishman who made bogus statements that raised questions as to whether Time relied on them reasonably. There was also some somewhat sloppy language associating Scientology with the Vancouver Stock Exchange, which they described as the "scam capital of the world," and for various technical reasons, this was the last surviving part of their libel suit before Time won outright. There's nothing like this in the SP Times material. I reckon they filtered it through experienced libel counsel before publishing.

There's another thing in the 80 page issue of Footbullet Magazine that doesn't help them at all. The cult is a matter of public concern and basically is going to be held to the standard public figures need to prove libel. This standard, the "actual malice" standard, doesn't have to do with evil motive, but either actual knowledge that their report was false or reckless disregard for its falsity.

Well, in Footbullet, they make this claim:

That is exactly the opposite of reckless disregard. The cult is basically claiming, as if it is a bad thing, that the SP Times put in 500 hours of due diligence, involving interstate travel, interviewing witnesses, then fact-checked what they said with even more witnesses.

Oh, they have to prove that something isn't true, too. That's kind of a biggie, but they aren't even likely to get to that point because they won't be able to get over the hurdle of the actual malice standard. The suit would be thrown out before then, because with this level of diligence on the part of the SP Times, it doesn't even matter if some false things got in there.

Their best claim, legally, is probably on behalf of David Miscavige himself, but actually filing that suit would be utter suicide.

I don't anticipate they'll sue for libel. I've underestimated the cult's stupidity before, though.

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Hahaha.

Does he get replicas of bumchum Tom Cruise's Oscars? Oh wait, Tom Cruise hasn't won any Oscars. LOL

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I think I successfully sumitted it as a tip to cracked.com. Somebody else do the same in case I failed. Gotta run.

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Because Tom cruise is not working more often than not. lulz

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Fuck you Arnie-loving moonbat shits... This has already been covered by the moonbat kooks. Yes the confetti was real, it was not shooped. DIAF. (It came from inside the big bow/banners that were released with pull ropes from below)

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people who would be interested in this:

• Gawker
• Perez Hilton
• Cracked.com
• Counterknowledge?
• AP?

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Yes, but we need to digest it for them and explain what is in there.
We need a press release explaining..
8 top level exec now claim to have seen DM beating staff.
Cult magazine makes fun of ex's jobs and houses.
Cult magazine contains photos taken by PI stalkers of their windows/houses.
Cult magazine discloses a 17 yr old was engaged to be married and had an affair while at the cult mecca of Flag and presumably under its supervision.
Cult magazine releases personal details such as ex- wives gossip, personal medical and financial info about these four ex-members who came forward to speak with SP Times.
etc

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New word = Bonanza!




Psst, Davey! The locals ARE talking. Whatchoo gonna do?

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One of my favorite posts on WWP. Ever.

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I did not get one in the mail. I am a Clearwater Resident. Why no love CoS? I wanted one. SPT knows of this mailing.

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I'm about 200 pages behind but Iva Ryggestahl has something to do with the new org in Malmo, Sweden. Opened April this year.

Scientology opens prominent new church in Arlöv - Church of Scientology European Office for Public Affairs and Human Rights

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How's the press release coming?

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It isn't.. you lazy fucks are too lazy to contribute anything...

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This illustration sums up the inception of this edition of Freedom Magazine:

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Yuck, endorsements. Needs 'pooning.

Anyway, it appears she's with Folkpartiet (liberals) and is elected as an 'ersättare' ('replacement', i.e. a kind of "vice-member") for the Skåne region's board of culture, and as a member of the "regional comittee on growth and health in southwestern Skåne".

IOW: A second-rate local politician who probably isn't even a name among her own electorate. Not that she gave much in the way of an endorsement to begin with, it seems. (wonder what she now, after her local paper's big exposé?)

"Professor" Bertil Persson is apparently some kind of fringe church leader. He's got his own webpage and a (presumably vanity-edited) wikipedia page. Neither actually mentions what he's supposedly a professor of or where. (as if it were a title rather than a job) In any case he's not a professor of any Swedish university.

The "Dr" Adly Abu Hajar (who doesn't seem to be referred to as such in any Swedish media reports) is a Malmö imam and member of Moderaterna (conservative-moderate), which apparently makes him a "local politician" even though he's doesn't seem to be holding any public office ATM. (someone should perhaps inform the dear imam about Hubbard's views of islam.

But in short: A big fat load of nobodys. Oh and I loved the new pics on that link from the inauguration.. Israeli flags! WTF! They brought folks in from Israel to fill out the numbers! That's not even on the same continent!

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If anyone actually has a press release ready or wants to get one done I will put it out to the big list. Just PM me whenever one is ready.

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Hey there are Israelis in the Eurovision Song Contest and at the Anonymous European Megaraid in London, so I think we'll let that pass.

It's worse that Scientology considers Pakistan and India part of the United Kingdom.

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/r/ ling, I'll roll one out.

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Start a thread here: English - Why We Protest | Activism Forum

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http://forums.whyweprotest.net/42-e...gazine-collaboration-thread-50466/#post957142

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Yeah she apparently runs her own law firm. Not doing too well since her total revenue for last year was just 210k SEK. Apparently the Scilons got the "Dr" thing from her claiming to have a Juris Doctor from Poland. Not that that degree (or any other foreign law degree) is worth the paper it's written on in Sweden.

I forgot the third guy, Gunnar Bramstång - who's the only bona-fide academic of the bunch, although he's really old at 77. He's been paid as a consulting lawyer for the cult in lawsuits before, so I guess there's no surprise he's willing to shill for them. (it raises the question of whether Ryggeståhl has also lawyered for the cult. Can't say since I can't get Malmö court records from here)