Simon Weisenthal Center-Museum of Tolerance honoring Tom Cruise

Discussion in 'Leaks & Legal' started by Anonymous, Mar 23, 2011.

  1. Anonymous Member

    Just to let you know - Lawrence Wright is currently in Israel (doing a one man show in a theather). He's been contacted by the Israeli anons and asked to look into the SWC issue. He replied that although he is currently extremely busy, he might nevertheless contact some Israeli media people.
    I will personally send a letter telling the Wiesenthal people that I will never support them in the future and that they should be ashamed of themselves. There are also rumours that Paulette Cooper might issue a statement about the event. You'll see - the Wiesenthal people will eventually be sorry for ever giving this award to Tom Cruise.
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  2. Anonymous Member

    11-12 million died if you count non-Jews. Particularly in the Scientology context, remembering the victims who Hubbard would have called "low toned" is important too.
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  3. Anonymous Member

    And one more thought - it was a big mistake not to protest. We've accorded the Wiesenthal people a courtesy that they never accorded us. Angry Gay Pope, who did protest showed us that it was possible to protest and we could have held signs in front of a long line of limos arriving at the event. That would have drawn the media attention.
    I honestly think that Anonymous needs to have a media consultant.
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  4. Optimisticate Member

    Thanks for the correction. It was a number pulled from the top of my head.
  5. Anonymous Member

    Look. You should know that the EFB killed raids in LA. Socalanon has had enough trouble with people who don't know how to behaive and who draw the attention of the ever-eagar LAPD. So go ahead and applaud AGP for showing up. His presence guarantees the absense of the rest of us. Tend your own cells, anon. Don't tell us how to roll.
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  6. Anonymous Member

    Sorry, I'm a bit new to the scene. Are people on WWP not friends with Angry Gay Pope or rather do not appreciate the fact that he is protesting?
    And admittedly I know nothing about the LAPD, as I do not live in LA.
  7. Zak McKracken Member

    Its complicated.

    AGP is one of the more active protesters in Socal.
    At the present moment, he's one of the only people active, but a large part of it is that he's alienated a large part of the core Socal group such that they won't have anything to do with him.

    AGP (and his bosom buddy, AnonOrange) have a different protesting style than many/most Anons.
    They are loud, disruptive, have signs and posters that annoy Scientologists and the General Public alike.

    They've been known to harass and intimidate anons IRL, particularly females.
    They've been known to namefag and ID anons (unprompted) both in court depositions and in front of Scientologist handlers - volunteering more information than was requested or required. They don't play well with the Police, and both have ongoing court battles with Scientology / local law enforcement over issues that many local Anons think they (AGP and/or AO) fucked up on.

    They are sometimes quite effective in enturbulating and otherwise harming Scientology.
    They are welcomed (in part) by the Why We Protest community, and Scientology Critics as a whole.

    AGP (and AO) are rather closer to the OG (old guard) clan than other Anons. Smurf, WBM, Tory, Glib / RiF, are among the locals that generally tolerate their presence. Newfag local Anons (anyone since 2008) mostly just want him to die in a fire.
    LAPD is allegedly corruptified by Scientology to an unknown extent. Sheriff Lee Baca is "not a scientologist" but his wife has taken CoS courses, and is felt by many to be a 'probable scientologist'. Baca is one supremely corrupt m-f, and it's doubtful that CoS is the only evil influence on him.

    Police in other cities with very few exceptions, appear to be "clean" of entanglement with Scientology; save when CoS badgers them into arresting some protester with little or no justification. LAPD (some) actually seek out and harass Anon protesters - whether they do the same toward non-anons I don't know.
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  8. Anonymous Member

    Thanks a lot of the information, it was most informative. I have heard about Cherif Lee Baca in the context of Daniel Montalvo case, where the Cherif clearly sided with the wrong party and actually detained the poor kid trying to escape the cult.
    I thought Angry Gay Pope took amazing photographs of the spikes facing inwards at Scientology base.
    Are Angry Gay Pope and AnonOrange being financially helped in their legal cases? Even if some people on WWP disagree with their tactics, we still shouldn't throw them to the Scientology wolves.
  9. xenubarb Member

    AGP did take some great photos, but he trespassed on Scn property to get 'em. Danny Dunagin came out to baww at him, but this time there was no assault.
    Nobody is throwing them to any Scn wolves, or clams, or thetans. Just some people don't want to raid when they're present.
  10. Anonymous Member

    Fair enough.
  11. Enturbulette Member

    True. But the German Government never convicted a high ranking Nazi for Krystallnacht or for ongoing hate crimes in their school system, or all manner of ongoing abuses that occured as they gained power. That's the whole point. Why are a bunch of jokesters on the internet like us more aware of this potential for massive abuse if Scientology is left unchecked than a race that endured the Holocaust? This is what we are fighting.

    This is good.
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  12. Anonymous Member

    Saying "The German Race endured the Holocaust" is like saying "The American Race endured Slavery".
  13. Enturbulette Member

    Where in my comment did I say anything remotely like "The German Race endured the Holocaust"? I think you have misunderstood "...than a race that endured the Holocaust?" which is a reference to the Jews running the SWC who choose to ignore the blatant absolutism, slave camps and mind control of Scientology.

    You understand that there was a long lead up of about 12 years while the Nazis consolidated power before the start of WW2 and the Holocaust began, through the school system, through recreation programs, propaganda, and through coordinated attacks like Kristallnacht. I was making an analogy to that build up period of shit happening right under your nose and all around you and ignoring it. Not good. Scilons have a deal with the IRS, and a US President has been their apologist trying to get them into Germany under the "religious freedom" argument (Clinton). That is way too close to the halls of power for me to not draw proto-Nazi comparisons.
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  14. Anonymous Member

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  15. Anonymous Member

    By the way- sometimes little trespassing gets the job done. Look at the American Navy Seals violating the Pakistani sovereignty to get Bin Laden.
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  16. Anonymous Member

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  17. xenubarb Member

    LOL srsly?
  18. Anonymous Member

    Totally srsly. But only if you're successful in your mission. If you fail then it ain't good and everybody is blaming ya.
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  20. LocalSP Member

    The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather to win.
    The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.
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  21. over9000OT Member

    You need to loosen your tinfoil. Pakistan's sovereignty wasn't violated. There are already US forces on the ground in Pakistan
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  22. Anonymous Member

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  23. Anonymous Member

    Of course it was violated. The helicopters flew from Afghanistan into the Pakistani territory, without prior authorization from the Pakistani authorities to engage in a military action on their soil. Pakistanis widely regard their sovereignty as being violated. American navy seals even had a contingency plan as to how to fight off the Pakistani police or army in case required.
    Having said all that - nobody cares about Pakistani sovereignty in this situation. They shouldn't have harbored Bin Laden.
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  24. Anonymous Member

    Had the doodle had a giant nose, giant dollar signs in his eyes and hoofs - then it would have been anti semitic.
    But as is it was just that - a doodle. I can't believe that Wiesenthal people would make comments about it. What is wrong with them recently?!
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  25. over9000OT Member

    Oh, clearly you were right to begin with and your first hand knowledge of the planning of this operation, as well as existing diplomatic agreements on situations such as these, obviously gives you a professional perspective with which I cannot possibly disagree.

    Assuming you were right, though you most certainly are not, if nobody cares about this violation of sovereignty, who cares?

    Speaking of who cares... I pooned the SWC on this. Told them I was planning on making a reasonably sizable donation but changed my mind after hearing that they were giving TC an award, even though he's a Holocaust revisionist. And not a single fuck was given.
  26. Anonymous Member

    Ok, nobody cares about Pakistani sovereignity, whether it was violated or not.
    Well done with the Wiesenthal people. Though I suspect at this point, they've been getting so much shit from us, that they know they are being played.
  27. Anonymous Member

    I've wondered if the
    They probably thought you were making up the part about making a "reasonably sizable donation".
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  29. Sam Urai Member

    I wouldn't grant AGP that much power. I think in this particular situation, Anons determined the importance of protesting this event to rate a solid "meh." The reality is that the Center's decision to honor Tom Cruise does nothing to change COS's poor track record regarding abuse. It was less a PR victory for the church than it was a blemish on the Center. And so, if the Center wants to trash its own image and standing, who are we to stop them?

    To a much a lesser extent, there was probably some concern about how a protest at the Center might be perceived or spun, but I think this was much less an issue for people than its overall lack of urgency.

    I do give Pope props for protesting though; it's good that someone was there.
  30. JohnnyRUClear Member

    And here it is, the "anti-Semitic" image stirring up the wrath of the mighty SWC:

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    ...which only further illustrates our point here, kids:

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  31. Anonymous Member

    We need to check whether this Rabbi Abraham Cooper really did say that this doodle is anti-semitic. It's so laughable that I am having difficulties believing anyone in their right mind would say something of the kind.
    We are trying to confirm with the Wiesenthal people that the information contained in the article is indeed correct.
    And being Jewish myself - this doodle looks more like Don Quixote to me, rather than a "symbol associated with virulent anti-Semitism going back to the Middle Ages".
  32. Anonymous Member

    That's what the SWC was upset over? Bitches (SWC) gots ta go!

    Real rabbis (unlike the fake, money grubbers like Abraham Cooper & Marvin Hier) actually do have a sense of humor and would not freak out at something so stupid and try to destroy peoples lives over it while sucking Tom Cruise's nut's!
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  33. TinyDancer Member

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  35. xenubarb Member

    Yeah. Because dressing like Nazis is always a sensitive and acceptable method of getting your point across...
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  36. Anonymous Member

    Yeah right, so Larry King's complaint of Tom Cruise taking him on a personal private tour of the "Psychiatry: An Industry of Death" museum where they state that the Holocaust was caused by psychiatry is not true eh? There are no CCHR "Psychiatry: An Industry of Death" museums, they are just a figment of wog imaginations!
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  37. Anonymous Member

    I've e-mailed this link and the CCHR website link to that publication.
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  38. moarxenu Member

    They have offices in a lot of other cities to harpoon including:

    Los Angeles: Rabbi Bentzion Kravitz

    Here is a pic of Ruth Guggenheim. She is at the Baltimore Washington Center:

  39. JohnnyRUClear Member

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