Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by whosit, Nov 27, 2011.

  1. whosit Member

    Has Occupy Wall Street come up with a coherent message/demand yet? Just wondering.
  2. Anonymous Member

    But I bet it's a fun place to hang out, Occupy Wall Street. Woodstock-ish. Just without the cool bands.
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  3. Mutante Member

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  4. ItchyScratchy Member

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  5. Anonymous Member

    Even if they had specific demands, people like you find a way to ridicule them, regardless of what they are...
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  6. Anonymous Member

    Well, that's also true, no doubt about it. But for us, people who don't participate in OWS, is very difficult to comprehend what is it that they want or asking for. How will we know when they succeed?
  7. Anonymous Member

    Didn't Obama pass Wallstreet reforms? So shouldn't they move the occupy movement to the front and backyards of the rich?
  8. Anonymous Member

    Like Anonymous, it's a non-group group. So there's really no 'they' there.

    Some demands of OWS-protestors which I think are reasonable:

    - More progressive taxation ('tax the rich').
    - An end to 'corporate personhood'.

    Some demands of OWS-protestors which I think are downright stupid:

    - Marxist revolution.
    - Anarchist revolution.
    - An end to the use of currency.
    - An end to the purported conspiracy of Jewish bankers.

    The problem is that the stupid pollutes the argument for the reasonable.
  9. Anonymous Member

    I guess if OWS get what they want, I won't be able to work in a bank. Damn it, and I thought I had such great ideas for world domination.
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  10. Anonymous Member

    There won't BE any banks, come the revolution.
  11. Anonymous Member

    Oh yeah, I forgot. No currency.
  12. Glenn Beck Member

    We won't be needing any lawyers then either will we. - just sayin'
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  13. Anonymous Member

    Well, it's good thing then that I took a couple of poll dancing classes. You never know when those might become handy.
  14. Glenn Beck Member

    We have prudent rules about making such claims as this.
  15. Anonymous Member

    There won't BE any pole dancing, come the revolution.
  16. Anonymous Member

    Hey, we're not talking about the Islamic revolution style Iran, are we?
    There was plenty of poll dancing in socialist eastern european countries.
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  17. Anonymous Member

    There won't BE any countries, come the revolution.
  18. Anonymous Member

    You need to update your rulebook.

    WWP isn't /b/ or ReX

    the dome is for discussing psychiatry with ex-scientologists, not for undressing critics.
  19. Tormentor Member

    There's been clear "demands" since the movement began. Of course, those who don't agree with them, mostly conservatives, just pretend that there aren't any. I agree though that it's kind of a mess. Many people aren't even sure why they attend the protests and were probably just invited by their friends.
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  20. Glenn Beck Member

    I especially liked the $20min wage demand, ...among others.

    "This isn't about reform, its about revolution." "Because occupations never work." -- I'll step it up and say that the majority people who attend occupations don't have a real clue about what is going on, they're just pissed and ows feels good, even if it's all FUBAR.
  21. Anonymous Member

    It will once you get laid.
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  22. Mutante Member

    Why not step it up and say that the majority of people who vote don't have a real clue what is going on, they're just pissed and voting feels good, even if their lack of engagement is one of the reasons it's all FUBAR.
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  23. Glenn Beck Member

    All the more reason that a Representative Republic was pure brilliance, direct democracy on a national level would be a disaster. *twinkles*
  24. Anonymous Member

    which is what makes Managed Democracy all the more brilliant.
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  27. Anonymous Member

    We can haz none of that, come de I Can Haz Revolution. We can haz Lulzocracy ruled by Ceiling Cat, an LOLcats shall be de prophets. BOW MONKEYZ, BOW!!!!
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  28. Anonymous Member

    Okay, but in an electoral system dependent on donations from well financed and unregulated 501(c)/PAC relationships and lobbyists, the constituents that lack such resources are under-represented if they are represented at all. A representative democracy that doesn't represent the electorate isn't what is guaranteed by the Constitution... in fact I believe the first American Revolution was fought on similar issues....

    Besides, take a look at S.1253 and SOPA.... do you think the Constitution really matters to our government anymore?
  29. ItchyScratchy Member

    As a complete aside. How do you feel about the current policies on "enemy combatant" status for US citizens and the ability to "execute" any one deemed a "threat".

    As an example I'll use

    Was ok to kill him and which part of the constitution grants government (federal or state) to do that without due process?

    As a follow up, his 14 year old son killed in the attack, also a US citizen, should he be included in which ever tortured reasoning was used to allow for the execution of a US citizen.

    As another aside, would it matter if he had been residing in the states as opposed to abroad?

    I look forward to hearing your reasoned response.
  30. Anonymous Member

    Government acting in a criminal manner. Nothing new here.

    The US goes to foreign countries to destroy dangerous crops, ones that give opium or pot,
    By the same logic, foreign countries could come to Virginia and destroy the tobacco growing there. I don't think it'll ever happen, for obvious reasons but the logic is the same.

    Governments are always acting as if might gave right.

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