The Facebook group was able to rapidly come to the assistance of a concerned relative in a Narconon drama over the last couple of days. The worried relation heard about the Facebook group and posted there that she was concerned about her brother who had telephoned her 'whispering and scared' as the Narconon lunatics had flown him the length of the US to another facility and were making bizarre threats. I contacted a well-known 'queen of the video' who posted details on her page. Within half an hour volunteers had come forward, a resuce team was assembled and a plan formed. The very next day the person was rescued from Narconon and reunited with his sister. Happy ending! Many thanks to all those who participated and offered help of any kind. I only wish we could have got to some of the other tragic victims in time.
I thik they may have dropped the tainted name 'Narconon' from a facility in Michigan, maybe that's it.
It's worth noting that the rescue appears to have been conducted by people who are not welcome on WWP. You know, Indies.
Rescuing someone trapped in a Narconon is a big win. We can take a moment to honor the people who helped with that. Later, we will kick the independents in the shins for being so stupid about Hubbard. LATER.
Although I disagree with them about tech and stuff, I have never found a stupid Scientologist. It's not about the name calling, which is kind of irrelevant. It shows a lack of understanding of cults and people who join them. If you don't care to understand them, that's your choice, but I think understanding the opposition is key to any kind of endeavor. It's interesting and useful to me to understand more about how cults can tear down a personality and build a new, useful (to them) and intelligent one. Y'all may now "dislike" this post.
Notice I didn't say the independents were stupid people in general. I said they were being stupid about Hubbard, who was not actually a nuclear physicist.
I've seen the same type of thing many times. People can compartmentalize. They can be sensitive to contradictions and logical fallacies in one area of their lives, and in another area they can be gullible and insensitive to contradiction and their own cognitive biases. However, education does help and there's generally less moonbattery passed around amongst physicists and others with PhDs as compared to people with only a high school education.
I hope we get more detail at some point here or at RFTTP. I'm very curious where he went in, where he was transferred to, the reasons NN gave for the transfer, etc. Given clam methods, this is the tip of the iceberg and it makes sense in terms of isolating marks from their families. Is the family considering legal action or trying to recover their 'tuition' at the place?
Not all of those involved were Indies and not all people on WWP dislike Indies. Please do not generalize about the users here.
It is still the kind of "don't worry, the Internet is here" winn that shows the cults day's are numbered. Back up a few years, and the cult would stop information from getting accessible online, and any organization able to foot coordinated rescue attempt would have been been given a reputation so bad law enforcement would have been on the cults side. Good rescue is good. Up yours, clambots!
I'm not saying that the independents are stupid, either. So, Hubbard says he was up in the Van Allen Belt being radioactively hot and in another lecture claims he was nearly run over by a freight locomotive on Venus. What is wrong with that? It is a highly advanced and efficient way of exploring the solar system that wog science has not yet reached. Such an accomplished explorer deserves our respect and the independents respect him to the degree where they are happy to reprogram their own mental processes to conform with his viewpoint. It seems like a smart view, if you take the time to sit back and consider it. The Indies are not barking, shit, dog, arf, arf, arf, howling mad at all.
Yes, trolling works and it helps cause cognitive dissonance sometimes. Especially when it's not predictable knee jerk "fuck Rinderburn" boring non-lulzy fail trolling that can fag up a perfectly fine thread with shit so dull I an hero.
I agree with you, Roland. They're not stupid per se, but they are...what are the right words to use to describe people who go along blindly and blithely supporting an evil madman who wrote and carried out policies that enslave people, destroy people, tear families apart, and even makes it mandatory to lie, cheat, steal, blackmail, torture, and even kill to keep the organization going?
Stupid isn't the same as ignorant. RVY, for example, was neither but we do run into both when lurking around the orgs.
If the person rescued was transported across state lines against his will a Federal crime was committed, and should be reported to the FBI. Being a patient/student/whatever at a rehab facility does not give that facility the right to move the person around wherever they feel like it. BigBeard
If you were not involved in this rescue why would you want to know the details? It doesn't concern you. I imagine that OSA would like to know who and how in order to attempt to prevent similar occurrences in the future. The people involved know the details, as it should be, and those not involved, don't, also as it should be. Get more involved if you don't like being out of the loop.
True, but we're almost to 2014. Anybody online and active against the cult already knows this. Still, good warning to post in case of lurkers.
So don't give out any details that Scientology doesn't already know. It's important to document the history of abuses by Narconon. For years, they depended on being able to settle any troublesome cases and sweep them under the carpet. That way, each person or family was starting from scratch and could be handled in isolation. Now there are many legal cases, and people and lawyers and the information they need is coming together. Narconons are supposed to be separate franchises, and yet they are passing people around (willing or otherwise)? That seems as important to document as their habit of dumping unwanted people at bus stops or cheap motels.
Let the guy get out of real rehab first. It's really his story if he wants to share it, and I doubt he's in a position to share at the moment.
