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Discussion in 'Scientology Property Tax' started by Bluebell, Aug 31, 2010.

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  1. Bluebell Member

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    Post about Local Government Finance Act 1988 (c. 41)



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  8. AIN Member

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    TL/DR; is what?
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  10. Anonymous Member

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    Ahhh, now I see - Carry on Bluebell.
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  13. Bluebell Member

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    Just so this info doesn't get buried in the big sci thread


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  15. Anonymous Member

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    Was this posted in the secret treehouse of Sunderland anons? It'd be kind of cool it that was a little more accessable, though I understand you don't really want scilons all over it.
  16. Anonymous Member

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    it just got lost in the big 'UK Scientology Rates Relief' thread on here.

    suggest we add this info to the wiki
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  18. Sponge Member

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    ^Shitloads of emails on 'scientology' (the 3rd link above) showing subject lines and dates but most with contents redacted.
  19. Anonymous Member

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    page 97 of http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque.../attach/3/Email search results 51 fawcett.pdf

  20. Sponge Member

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    ^I'd just this second picked that one up and was trying and failing to copy/paste so thanks for doing that.

    So, that's propbably the most detailed we've had so far into a local council's line of thinking on the decision to give rates relief.

    As you highlighted.....<jawdrop>......

    LIARS!

    Everyone mob sunderland org and demand your free bridge to todal freedumb today. Hey, the cult says it cost nothing.
  21. Sponge Member

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    It's the cult's usual culty solicitors who are the ones doing the bidding...

    The "Director of Financial Resources" is the one who gives the final say.....

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  23. Anonymous Member

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    It's interesting that the Scientologists seem to have had to appeal here, too, to get their tax relief.

    If I'm understanding the docs correctly.
  24. Sponge Member

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    Yeah but being so bare faced about it and on a subject which which is so fundemental to how the scientology organisation works, i.e. "spiritual freedom" via a strict price list.
  25. RolandRB Member

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    They were referring to stuff you can find in the public library.
  26. Sponge Member

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    I might have to re-read but on a quick scan it seems that that way. The final decision appears to have been in May 2010 but it was around March that the application/appeal started. The backdating of the relief which we found out about from previous FOI could possibly only go as far back as March but there is a possibility that if it is an appeal on an earlier first application then the backdating could go back to whatever that date was, which it appears from earlier in this thread, to be 2006.
  27. Anonymous Member

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    Yeah, it's nice when they shoot themselves in the foot. :)
  28. Sponge Member

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    But that's NOT what was said in the dox. In any case, such a thing would not be "progess" by their own standards because you wouldn't get very far on "The Bridge" from the stuff that they are willing to give to public libraries (those dim enough to waste the shelf space for it) and without any 1-on-1official scientology contact. They are trying to claim "progress without having to pay for courses".

    If the council asked for copies of all the OT levels to be put in reference libraries or just for themselves, do you think the cult would hand it over?
  29. Anonymous Member

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    LOL! Better advise all those rich LA clams to jump on the next flight over here!
  30. Anonymous Member

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    Hey, those books are handy for sneaky stealth drops of YFTC's. ;)
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    This paragraph was quite boggling as well:

    'Find' presupposes 'looking', so this is a lie - the writer has not looked for either.
  32. Anonymous Member

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    I noticed that.

    Seems to me that if we could demonstrate detriment then that would be grounds for them to reconsider their decision.
  33. Sponge Member

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    Scientology's anti-psychiatry stance. The original Charities Commission ruling didn't quite go that far at the time (it didn't need to) but it was actually used in a New Zealand decision to reject the CCHR's application for charitable status there.
    It was based on standard tests which our Charities Comission cites analogous examples of, for the explicit purpose of aiding such decisions (e.g the anti-vivisectionists groups, in that their extremist ideology of preventing one harm creates a bigger harm).
  34. Random guy Member

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    The "Australian of the year", a high profile psychiatrist, came out againt the cult quite strongly. Perhaps that could be used. Then there is life in the Seaorg...
  35. Anonymous Member

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    Are we talking about the place with a blue door that's only open two days a week? (100% rates rebate on a business can hardly be a public benefit when it's only open for twelve hours a week, can it?) Or are we talking about the Idle Org (former nursing home) building that's crumbling away with no work being done on it?
  36. RolandRB Member

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    From:
    Charities and Public Benefit

    No organisation that has aims that are illegal, or that intentionally deceives or misrepresents its aims and so is a sham, can be a charity. Where that sort of detriment or harm is present then there is no balancing to be done as, notwithstanding any benefits that might arise from carrying out the organisation's aims, it cannot be recognised as charitable.
  37. OTBT Member

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    The stated aims:

    Code:
    http://www.whatisscientology.org/html/Part12/Chp37/pg0684.html
    The reality:

    HUBBARD IN HIS OWN WORDS

  38. Sponge Member

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    Yes, it's the bluedoors building in Sunderland centre at 51 Fawcett Street. The Tardis.

    The crumbling former nursing home building for the proposed Idle Borg is further north, near Newcastle, on the south side of the River Tyne, in Gateshead.
  39. Anonymous Member

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    this is also particularly applicable to Narconon - which is a registered UK charity - in that its stated goal of drug rehabilitation doesn't match its actual goal of new-Scientology-victim-recruitment.
  40. BigBeard Member

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    And there is harm on an individual level:

    First by not delivering what is promised by NarCONon to the victim and their family.

    Second by the physical damage created by the megadoses of vitamins and niacin combined with the extended sauna times. Both of which have been condemned on more than once by real medical doctors, including one time Surgeon General of the United States Dr. C. Everett Koop.

    BigBeard
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