Sunderland Rates Relief based talk

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dun it still waiting

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Think Roland meant 1,500 not 15,000.

1,500 can easily be done in a day in places like Sunderland, Manc, Brum etc, London could properly manage 3,000+ in a day.

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Good point, we need to use this. Best at the end, I think. My posting updated complete with currency signs.

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/329-...-rates-relief-based-talk-71253/3/#post1340394

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No I meant 15,000. 15,000 will make a difference. 1500 won't.

It won't be too expensive as this flier can be B&W and ink cartridges can be refilled with cheaper ink. Home printers can take a lot of punishment too. My HP lasted for 35,000 leaflets before it got Alzheimers.

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^^^^ Most expensive way to produce flyers on the planet!!!

For bulk printing, ALWAYS go to a printers - and by printers I don't mean the local copy-shop! The difference between 4p per flyer and a quarter-pence per flyer makes a huge difference when the quantities get large. NEVER EVER use home printers (or copyshops) for bulk production, unless you are both lazy and rich.

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OK, go for the big one. Get 35,000 printed and get them out there. Saturdays all shopping hours where lots of foot traffic. "YOU ARE PAYING SCIENTOLOGY'S RATES" large posters with accompanying leafletters. Do you have trams there as well as buses? Take a ride and sit on a flyer and accidentally leave it on the seat when you get off. There must be lots of ways to get it out there. But like I said, 15,000 will make a difference. 1500 won't. Make sure everybody in Sunderland has a chance to read it.

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/329-...-rates-relief-based-talk-71253/3/#post1340394

Edit: Oh, big shock. Somebody is going to give me some work to do. So the rest is up to you as I will have no more time. I think the wording is good in the above. Chances are that trying to make it better will make it worse.

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Isn't printing and photo copying about the same cost?

How much would 15,000 - 35,000 fliers COST?

And here's the Jpg EXAMPLE of the flier and some sign

$ci rates relief flier

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Leafleting this to local business is an excellent idea as well as handing out. Never under estimate the effect of an address targeted mail campaign too; that said most managers are not owners who pay rates so some mail should be directed to the head offices of major business owners in the area or cc'd.

Suggestion for headline in mail shot to businesses.

STOP Your Business Rates Supporting
the
church / cult* of scientology
NOW!

*choose which you feel would work best.

Would gladly buy 50 envelopes and 2nd class stamps then sit and hand address each one and then post them. Also flier should be A5 (2 per A4) and agree with previous, get print shop to do them cheaper. Need addresses and fliers. I wonder if there is a list of business rate payers available somewhere...

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No - even though the technology these days is much the same, finding a printer who offers 'black only' and slightly longer turn-around can save huge amounts over a place set up to basically deal with 'todays' ad-hoc jobs.

Random googling gives

for A6 (quarter A4), black only, single sided, 100GSM, uncoated paper

1,500 £42 (<3p)
15,000 £132 (<0.9p)
30,000 £250 (~0.8p)

via StressFreePrint.co.uk - cheap flyer printing and cheap leaflet printing - flat leaflets and flyers

Walking in to a local printer and asking will probably get a better deal.

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Cheaper approach here is often to print A6 postcards on one side, and then get a list of addresses and inkjet the addresses on the reverse. But not sure targeting businesses makes the most sense - they tend to be very wary of anything remotely controversial, even if it pisses them off; whereas public are more likely to get on the blower to the council and tell them what's what.

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Sorry I STRONGLY DO NOT suggest going to a printers , and I do know what I am talking about


1000 A4 - £58 - (would give you 2000 A5 or 4000 A6)


Where as 2000 A5 would cost you nearly £84 and 5000 A6 would cost you nearly £95


Have never used this place, but I would recommend trying them

http://www.londonclp.co.uk/index.html


I have a couple of places I go to for photocopying and would only cost me £50 - £55 for 1,000 A4


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Yeah, but then you have to cut them up yourself!

Still, the main point was: Walking in to a local printer and asking will probably get a better deal.

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Am more than happy to cut the fliers up myself thanks.

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And anyway, you were asking about 15k to 30k. Do that math.

I also know what I'm talking about.

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Hmm - okay - 15K A4 for £225 is very good. That's not your average Kinko's tho. And it's a lot of cutting!

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http://www.stressfreeprint.co.uk

A4
15,000 A4 would cost - £448 == (would give you 30,000 A5 and 60,000 A6)
20,000 A4 would cost - £600 == (would give you 40,000 A5 and 80,000 A6)


http://www.londonclp.co.uk/BasicCopyPrices.html

15,000 A4 would cost - £271 == (would give you 30,000 A5 and 60,000 A6)
20,000 A4 would cost - £359 == (would give you 30,000 A5 and 60,000 A6)


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Also people SHOULD bear in mind the WEIGHT of all these fliers and HOW you would carry them all.


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Local back street printer's

A6 15.000 £125 + £10-£20 for art work if its needed.

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Couple of comments about the leaflet and distribution:

The local newspapers will likely not accept anything controversial for distribution with their paper. You can ask but I doubt it.

Don't try to be sarcastic or too cynical. e.g. When you are talking about scientology auditing, don't put "... for a mere £200 ....". If you are trying to inform then there's nothing "mere" about £200/hr.

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OK, I changed it.

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/329-...-rates-relief-based-talk-71253/3/#post1340394

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I got confirmation from ESMB that 51 FS is a Class V Org which means they can audit all the way up to Clear so my bit about them charging about 200 quid an hour for this is correct. No misrepresentation in the flier therefore. I just wanted to make sure it was fair and accurate.

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Article in Sunderland Echo yesterday


it's in today on page 5 - and gets mentioned in the comment pice and letters page as well

should go online later

Daily Poll
Published on Sat Oct 23 07:49:53 BST 2010


Should the Church of Scientology be exempt from paying £30,000 business rates in Sunderland?



CIVIC chiefs have been criticised for exempting a controversial organisation from paying more than £30,000 in business rates.

Sunderland City Council has granted 100 per cent relief to the international Church of Scientology for its centre in Fawcett Street and backdated it to the application date in 2006.

However, the decision has been questioned in the corridors of power and on the streets of Wearside, because the group is not classed as a religion under UK Charity Law by the Charity Commission.

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/daily_poll_1_2442270

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^Thanks Charlie.
Note that the poll vote in the above link is on the right hand side in case you missed it.
Vote now. Receive bacon.

Sunderland Echo, Readers Letters, 22nd Oct 2010
Letters, Friday, October 22nd, 2010 - Letters - Sunderland Echo

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BTW, Roland, you commented on that Sunderland Echo Poll article attempting to correct it because the stated figure of £30,000 is not the annual rates bill but you seemed to have totally forgotten about the fact that it was backdated to 2006. Hell, it even reminds you of that in the poll article itself. If you do the math then from 2006 through to the year ending 2011 then it will be in the vicinity of £30,000.

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FFS Roland DONT BITE THE HAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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On the contrary. Make sure everythig is fair and correctly reported.

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Looked a bit abrupt to me, also trying to get a copy of it.

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What? You still think you're totally right? Did you misread what I just said too?
You weren't just pointing out what the rates bill is, per annum, and leaving it at that, you were implying that the article was in error or intended to mislead when actually you just failed to read it properly.

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Gah - Roland - you could have just pointed out that 30,000 was over 5 years!

/slap

WTF

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Anyone know why there's two FOI's to Sunderland Council asking for the exact same thing pretty much?

"Errors in CC’s decision on CoS (England and Wales)" (Sci doc) - T Stewart dated 5 Oct 2010

"Errors in CC’s decision on CoS (England and Wales)" (Sci doc) - Roland dated 21 Oct 2010

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yeah Roland, just why did you file a request with the same council for identical information to a request which had been made earlier in the month by someone else and is currently being delt with? I see no reason to burden the council with needless extra work. Ironic considering that this whole thing is about councils wasting tax payer's money.

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I suggest you withdraw your FOI Roland, cos I don't see HOW having 2 FOI's asking for the exact same thing is any help to us.

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Looks like they've already effectively canned it as a separate request.

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I don't know why Owen thinks there is some sort of campaign going on.

Edit: The more I think of this "campaign" idea the more I come to the conclusion that there is no "campaign". Where do they get these crazy ideas from? Maybe it's time for a mass leafletting of the town centre.

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/329-...-rates-relief-based-talk-71253/3/#post1340394

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ITT Roland does irony. I lol'd. Well played.

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OH maybe its the 5 pending FOI's, one of which more or less EXACTLY the same as one made by T Stewart.

* Sci Rates - Date and basis of relief granted - dated 23 August 2010 J Maxwell

* 51 Fawcett St, Sunderland Sci rates relief - dated 26 August 2010 W Thackeray

* FOI: Email and electronic filing search - dated 8 September 2010 T Stewart

* "Errors in CC’s decision on CoS (England and Wales)" (Sci doc) - dated 5 Oct T Stewart 2010

* "Errors in CC’s decision on CoS (England and Wales)" (Sci doc) - dated 21 Oct 2010 Roland


As for the 'flier' FORGET ABOUT putting the Xenu shit into it, there is a flier ALREADY DONE (and a few signs) WWP - $ci rates relief flier Also DO NOT DARE expect people to hand out between 15,000 to 35,000 fliers and people are not made of money, people can not carry that amount of fliers.

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OG did it. 5000 in Poole which is a small town. Are you saying that Anon can not match that? If so then why aren't they begging OG to come back from the dead and do the work for them?

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"OG did it. 5000 in Poole"

This was when?
What size where the fliers?

How much did 5000 fliers cost.
How long did it take to handout 5000 fliers? (A day?, 2-3 days, a week?)


Also I see you carefully side stepping the question regarding the 2 exact same FOI's, can you please reply thank you.

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About two hours to shift 5000 A4 leaflets at a penny ha'penny each as I remember. My HP croaked after printing 35,000 leaflets. It got the printer equivalent of Alzheimers. I went into a printers in Walthamstow and told him my HP packed up after 35,000 leaflets and he doubled up and fell to the floor.

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Oh yes. The last question. As I told you in a PM and I repeat it now I asked you to fuck off and mind your own business.

Thanks.