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Taiwan Anonymous website in some kind of trouble

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by OTBT, May 8, 2011.

  1. OTBT Member

    Taiwan is a major source of funds and raw meat for Scientology in Australia. Local anons in Sydney have previously confirmed this, here and on ESMB.

    Taiwan Anonymous has a long running website, since 2008, posting facts about the cult of Scientology for 3 years and counting, in native Mandarin language.

    Their most recent posts are disturbing. It seems their website is under some sort of legal difficulties from Yahoo, which may not be directly related to Scientology. But since scilons tend to be sneaky and underhanded in general, this sets off my bullshit meter. Some sort of copyright trouble, if I understand correctly.

    http://ccascientology.blogspot.com/

    Since I can't read Mandarin, try this Google Translate version of their most recent post.

    http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://ccascientology.blogspot.com/

    Go further on down, there seems to be references to DCMA takedowns.

    Hopefully, some of the Taiwanese anons can clear up my fumbling attempts at understanding this problem.

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    / edit

    direct link, so hopefully they will see trackback link to WWP

    http://ccascientology.blogspot.com/2011/05/blog-post_05.html
  2. thefatman Member

    Didn't we have a Taiwanese Anon on here at one point?

    That cult better not get in the way. Imma be real sad.
  3. OTBT Member

    1 or 2 Taiwan anons read WWP, and have posted here anonymously. I don't know their nicks. Hopefully, one of them will see this thread.
  4. ZeroC Member

    bump.

    As OTBT said Taiwan is a big area for the CoS at the moment. Anyone here speak Mandarin?
  5. OTBT Member

    In the latest post, the Taiwan Anonymous website has sprung up 2 new mirrors:

    http://www.shandaji.info/
    http://blog.shandaji.info/

    Original site still up:

    http://ccascientology.blogspot.com/

    The latest post seems to imply copyright troubles, along with their launch of new Asian Cult Awareness Network.

    Google Translate really massacres this, so I'm still hoping one of the Taiwan anons can post a clarification here.
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  6. Anonymous Member

    They will see this thread. They check in regularly and stay informed.
    There is a chronic lack of Mandarin material exposing the CoS. In Taiwan all the cult signs are in Mandarin. Even their personality test results have no English on them. It seems like the cult is avoiding English so that English material exposing them will have reduced effect.

    That said, if anyone can speak the lingo and would be prepared to do translation then kindly step forward. I think (I am open to correction on this) the following two ideas would be the best targets for translators:

    1) Total Freedom Trap – simply because it is an overview of Scientology that is fairly comprehensive despite being only 40 pages.
    2) Subtitled documentaries – if someone can do a timestamped translation of a documentary I can volunteer to add hard subs to it. In my experience visual documentaries tend to be easier for people to absorb rather than a wall’o’text.
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  7. Anonymous Member

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/are-we-making-a-difference.77913/#post-1448504

    Here's a summary of OT 1 to OT 8 in Mandarin, condensed from Wikileaks, made by Taiwanese anon Cenu.

    Wonky Google translation was already posted here:

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=506708&postcount=10

    運作中的希坦一至八級(Operating Thetan I - VIII)的完全經文,可以在維基泄密(wikileaks.org)找到,但網址暫時在改建中。在此 之前 ,詳細的摘要在菲什曼的誓章中(The Fishman Affidavit),也是法庭紀錄,是山達基首席律師確認是真正的。

    菲什曼的誓章後來被法庭封鎖了,但荷蘭作家 Karin Spaink 貼在她的網址,經過多年官司,荷蘭法庭判她勝訴。美國法庭判定這些經文不算是商業秘密,但受到 版權保護,所 以公平引用的摘要是絕對合法的。

    山達基教會警告,若不跟從正當步驟讀經文,會染肺炎而死。但這樣死的從沒有聽聞,本人可以作活 生生的例證。

    但山達基人偷看經文是重罪,你們是過不了測謊機的(E-meter),看過了必然斷送了你們的自由之路。事實上,偷看過了而不爆的(blow=離教),教會不會 放 過你這個金蛋。

    這個摘要,是根據菲什曼誓章,Stacy Brooks 的透視,和 Maria Pia Gardini 誓章,加上「Mrs Smith」的翻譯,但非山達基人看到了全文也完全不知道是什麼回事,沒頭沒腦的,其他人的解說也不完整 , 因為有些概念很難簡短形容,山達基詞彙不可以用普通詞彙解釋,而且有些人完成了某OT級後,也 不知道它是什 麼,教會說通過了便通過了。

    這些經文可能有多個版本,教會也有新舊之分。經文是教會最高機密,是不能離開課室的,個人的回 憶不盡相同。 可以帶走的資料也不能給任何人看到。所以外人不可以確認那是正確版本。菲什曼的版本是最早公開 的,與後期的 不甚相同,他也不是深資山達基人,只是從別人手中得到經文,但只有他的版本被山達基律師確認。

    OTI

    教會說第一步是要以新鮮的觀點看這個物質宇宙和其它眾生。菲什曼說有三個版本,最新的只有一個 「看人」的指 令,執行直到有認知(cognition)。瑪麗亞說是那真是胡扯蛋,就是你自己一個人走來走 去,去「看到 」一些東西。她走到咖啡店磨時光,回去說有覺新(wins)便完成了。

    OTII

    教會說這級解鎖整個時間軌跡(億兆年的宇宙歷史)中偏差錯亂的因素,這些因素使希坦(精神個體 )失去天生的 自由。

    偏差錯亂是因為你的希坦在億兆年的宇宙歷史中曾經被「強制性植入」(implants)。你會 拿到一張列出 長長的植入表單,包括電擊植入、言語植入等等。你必須深入時間軌跡,一個個把這些植入處理掉。 這是在獨自聽 析中完成,聽析中你必須大聲的跟自己講話。 開始聽析時,你必須在時間軌跡上想到光點的出現,然後從那光點去找植入事件,儀表(E-meter)上的讀數確認事件的發生,然後解讀儀表上的指針動作, 來來回回的以「兩分法」(或分裂 dichotomies)處理植入事件, 磨掉(run)它們。

    OTIII 火之牆

    教會說這一級獨自聽析藏著宇宙的秘密,你面對並剷除一直困擾著這個宇宙千萬年的人類心理障礙, 一旦完成,被 「時間軌跡壓倒」纏住了的你,可以解放出來。開始這級之前,要簽棄權書,大意是可能發生到你的 身體或精神上 的任何事件,山達基組織、其分支機構和成員,一切不負責。

    瑪麗亞是科幻小說迷,早已唸過了,內容跟一本羅恩賀伯特的科幻小說很相似,差點兒拍成好萊塢電 影。「銀河系 大魔頭」基努(Xenu),在七億五千萬年前為了解決人口過剩問題,把大量外星人捕捉,掉入地 球的火山中, 用原子彈炸得魂魄四散,然後把我們看到的所為現實,花幾星期時間植入這些東西的腦子,之後這些 支離破碎的破 希坦(Body Thetan,簡稱 BT)便吸附在人類的肉身上面。誰人若是覺察到「現實」只是灌輸,是會觸發自動毀滅程式,只有羅恩賀 伯特發 明的技術,可以打破了這個程式。

    聽析時,你必須跟你身上的破希坦講話,你想著不同的地方,儀表的指針讀數會告訴你破希坦是否在 那兒,然後要 它們離開你的身體,再找不到破希坦便通過這級。

    OTIV

    教會說這級處理在你整個時間軌跡上,由藥物和毒品所引起的潛在問題。

    這級要處理「破希坦團塊」( Body Thetan Clusters)。你現在要處理整個時間軌跡裡的藥物,還有你身上破希坦所服的藥物,這些破希坦在你做完 OTIII之後還沒走光,因為他們有嗑過藥。

    OTV

    教會說新OTV是第二度火之牆,對付使你不能抵達完全自由境界的最後障礙。

    原來一切也是破希坦,你的思維、愛、腳趾、鞋、月亮。這些破希坦跟團塊是沉睡型的,你必須把它 們喚醒,然後 賦予它們身分地位,這樣它們就會走開了。

    OTV 是這樣做的,聽析員的指令:「觀看你的身體(不是用肉眼),找出破團塊。」當聽析員在電儀表上 讀到指數時他 又問:「在哪裡?」你回答:「在膝蓋上。」然後,你必須用心電感應式的交流與那隻破希坦溝通, 無聲問它說: 「你是什麼東西?」破希坦可能回答你說:「香蕉。」於是你告訴聽析員「香蕉」。

    有時候答案可能是「一張紙」之類的其他答案,反正你想到什麼就說什麼。聽析員得到答案後又說: 「好,告訴它 『你就是香蕉。』」也就是說,香蕉就是它的身分。於是你告訴破希坦它是一根香蕉,在這時它應該 就會走開了, 或是它想繼續留在那裡。 如果它在你問「你是什麼東西?」時沒有離開的話,你就問「你是誰?」然後你向破希坦收集了一大 串名字:那破 倫,凱薩大帝,約翰屈伏塔……你一一告訴聽析員,他告訴你哪個名字有讀數,那就是破希坦的身分 ,得到示意後 的破希坦就會離開,打走所有破希坦便完成OTV。

    OTVI

    教會說這級是下一級獨自聽析的訓練,因為非常之強勁,所以自成一級。

    這一級又是破希坦跟破團塊!而且跟OTV的指令一樣,就是那兩項「你是什麼」還有「你是誰」, 但是自己親自 來做聽析的。

    OTVII

    教會說這級需要長時間,在家中每日獨自聽析。

    這個等級的正果(the end phenomenon) 是: 各式各樣的破希坦都不存在,沒有昏睡型的、沒有嗑藥的……什麼都沒有,其中一項是壓抑類型的破 希坦(sup pressive BTs) 。

    打走破希坦的方法跟OTV和VI是一樣的,不相同的只是一手握雙鑵,破希坦走了儀表指針會浮的 。你身體上的 破希坦若是全走了,你的身體在你看來是半透明的。

    有時候,你會遇到破希坦從你身上飄到大門旁邊,你必須想像出一把剪刀,剪掉他與你身體之間的連 線。有時候, 你會有層層重疊的破希坦,所以呢,你必須想像出一雙手來把他們揮掉。

    這時你知道,整個宇宙也是破希坦,山達基目的是使整個宇宙消失,一個人怎樣努力也打不走所有破 希坦,所以要 地球所有人幫忙。因此阻礙山達基 的人必然要用任何手段消除,因為整個宇宙受到威脅,全地球,所有人億萬年的命運,決定於你現時 在這兒做什麼 。因此為甚麼羅恩賀伯特建立了監護人辦事處,把所有政府及敵對的社會轉為完全遵守山達基的規則 。

    很多人獨自在房間內打破希坦,每日數小時,有十五年之久。這些人被剝奪了所有自己的感覺, 他們已經失去了責任感—事實上,失去所有與自己情緒的接觸,自己的想法,連自己的希望和願望。 它們已成為沉 溺於不負責任,生活於幻想世界的人。他們真正相 信一個怪誕的未來,其最終目標是山達基世界,這個世界上,每個不同意山達基的人將會靜靜地、沒 有悲傷地被除 去。

    OTVIII 真相大白

    教會說這級獨自聽析,對付時間軌跡上失憶的主要原因,並讓你一見你自己的存在真相。

    OTVIII有數個版本,菲什曼的被稱為「耶穌愛好男孩和男生」版,山達基律師初時指出這文件是侵權,即是 真正的,但後來改口說這是假的。

    其它的版本與瑪麗亞口述的類似,裡面指出:「你編做了(mocked up)你自己的反應式心靈,你編做了你自己的破希坦,你編做了你自己的前生。」裡面包括羅恩賀伯特 的斷言( affirmation):「現在知道過去的我不是我,有興趣找尋真的我是誰。」

    基本上,OTVIII 是要你照著 「人類歷史 」(History of Man)這本書裡的題目做聽析,一直從進化軌跡回到蛤蜊(clams)時代,因為人類是由蛤蜊進化成的 。你 必須要在時間軌跡裡一路做,回到蛤蜊時代為止,斷定過失行為(overt),然後找出破希坦。

    你要用心電感應方式與破希坦溝通,找出它的過失、寫下來、然後用電儀表問破希坦:「這是你做的 嗎?」「這是 我做的嗎?」如果有讀到指數,你就示意那是誰的過失,使指針浮動,就這樣繼續做……結果你會幫 時間軌跡裡的 所有破希坦們清掉所有的過失。這就是所謂的真相大白。
  8. veravendetter Member

    Come on Taiwanon, we know you're awesome. We're with you.
    [IMG]
  9. Anonymous Member

    You can bet dollars to doughnuts that the Scientology corporation has spent huge resources drawing up plans for gaining
    a celebrity client in Taiwan.
  10. AnonLover Member

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  12. TinyDancer Member

    I had a journalist ask me recently about Taiwanese scientologists in Sydney. So, if a Taiwan Anon does check in and is interested in speaking with said journalist, would you please make contact. Thanks.
  13. Nice find and good to see you again OTBT. it's been a bit yeah?
  14. TinyDancer Member

    Quick response from Taiwananon is quick.

    Also, <3 to OTBT.
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  15. ccas Member

    Thanks for the concern. Our sites will be safe.

    On 4/29/2011, our blog at Yahoo Taiwan received a notice from Yahoo, saying that we infringed the right owned or represented by a registered charity, the head of which is obviously a Scientologist that we monitored since the charity was born a few years ago. The pictures in question are still here, http://ccascientology.blogspot.com/2011/01/blog-post_14.html, in our mirrored Google blog (Blogger).

    We decided to withdraw the hot links to the images on the Yahoo blog (only) for the time being, so all our accounts and contents will be safe. Otherwise we have to issue a counter notice claiming that we own the pictures or we have the legal right to use the pictures. We don't understand why Yahoo TW is honoring the request because we did not upload any pictures to Yahoo. We know less about the local laws than DMCA because we don't have as much e-lawyers all over the net.

    The fun part is that the head of charity left a lot of comments saying that he went to the DA and challenged us to turn up in court to face the charges. We sincerely hope that the comment is real. Because of "what is true for you is true for you", he knows that all the news we translated are false. Someone needs to correct him.

    Our residue respect for the charity was completely gone when they proposed to build a half-way house for troubled children, in the form of a school! We recently wrote a public letter to the charity commission who oversees charity fund raising, listing all the LRH and Scientology related activities since their door opened. Religion, specifically Scientology, is not on their mission statement - the cause of our complain.

    The Mountain Range Chicken is another worrying but unrelated story. Wall of text can be found at http://en.shandaji.info (a Google site).
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  16. thewayup Member

    ^
    Hen hao!
  17. OTBT Member

    Thanks for clearing this up. I was getting a bit worried.
  18. OTBT Member

    Thanks : )

    Sorry, not around as much these days.

    The Chinese have an ancient curse: "May you live in interesting times."

    My life's been pretty darn interesting lately, so there is not as much time available anymore to do stuff as I previously had.

    Luckily, I still have time to make grammatically tortuous sentences like that last one ^
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  20. Trev6 Member

    OTBT, dude! Good to see you back, at least for this brief window of opportunity. ^^

    Solidarity with TaiwanAnons. Glad your sites are okay now.
  21. ccas Member

    OTBT, you have no idea about gramma prosecution, from the Chinese Wikipedians against making machine translation looking normal. Of course it could have been the En Wikipedians who kicked me out in the first place, and so I moved on to Zh.
  22. Trev6 Member

    Jimmy+Wales+Wikipedia+eyes.jpg
  23. Anonymous Member

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanyu_Pinyin
  24. Asexi Member

    lol this site is well worth a visit just for the lulz provoking banner after the google translator is finished mangling it alone.-Nice site our Taiwanese brethren and keep up the good work exposing the cult where ever you see it rear one of its many ugly heads.
  25. OTBT Member

    I approve of this ^ bump.

    The Taiwan Anons who run that site are diligent, informed activists, fighting a difficult battle against sneaky fucking scilons who try to infiltrate wogs through deception.
    Oh wait, that pretty much summarizes anons fighting scilon crap anywhere.
  26. Asexi Member

    Hey are there any Taiwan anons available who can tell me if there is a decipherable translation of "Bare Faced Messiah" available for download and if so could they send us a private message with a link please, we are noticing that the bulk of scientology Sea Orgers over here are predominantly from Taiwan and would really like to be able to reach them across the language barrier, oh and keep up the good good work and greets from Australia.
  27. xenubarb Member

    Actually, the Chinese probably didn't originate that curse.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times
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  28. Anonymous Member

    I'm pretty sure that there are no significant translations of classic or new books about Scientology, except from the cult publishing arms. They guy who translated Harry Potter on a unique profit sharing deal became a billionaire.
  29. HellRazor Member

    Bump/necromancy. Looks like Taiwan SPs are alive and well. They even have an English version of their blog. Note new .org domain.

    http://blog.shandaji.org/
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  30. Anonymous Member

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  31. Anonymous Member

    The domains are experimental until we know of some low-cost bullet proof provider, go-daddy sort of low cost. Never have trouble with google blogs and sites. Facebook pages are trouble until they sort of tolerate activist worldwide. As for Yahoo it's a HK registered branch and therefore troublesome. Posts had been disappearing without notice, against their own policy. (FLG infiltration rather than CoS) We still probably have a file against us at some local police station for libel or something, not bothered to read the wall of text. We found out that the cult has been using lawyers to take down our blogs hosted by TW companies. Yahoo legal didn't find it justified and forwarded the lawyer letter to us. That's how we know. And we have their fax numbers.
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