The Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies

Anonymous · Aug 4, 2013

rickybobby said: ↑

Please elaborate.

i gave you a base to work off of now learn the skill yourself
because if i tell you then you will forget and not understand it.
what is the point of telling someone something if they will only forget?

Anonymous · Aug 5, 2013

Anonymous said: ↑

mind control is possible over the internet all you have to do is ask simple questions and state simple facts the steer them to your will

There is no such thing as mind control. That is an excuse for people with weak minds.

Lightattheendofthetunnel · Aug 5, 2013

Anonymous · Aug 5, 2013

Anonymous said: ↑

There is no such thing as mind control. That is an excuse for people with weak minds.

well sorry for my misuse of words i should have used the term mental domination

Cancer .ants · Aug 5, 2013

Anonymous said: ↑

well sorry for my misuse of words i should have used the term mental domination

Stop posting.

Cancer .ants · Aug 5, 2013

Anonymous said: ↑

well sorry for my misuse of words i should have used the term mental domination

Stop posting.

Anonymous · Aug 13, 2013

"Cancer .ants said: ↑

Stop posting.

i'd rather not but thanks for the suggestion

rickybobby · Aug 13, 2013

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

Anonymous · Aug 13, 2013

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Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation

Note: The first rule and last five (or six, depending on situation) rules are generally not directly within the ability of the traditional disinfo artist to apply. These rules are generally used more directly by those at the leadership, key players, or planning level of the criminal conspiracy or conspiracy to cover up.

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body. Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.

22. Manufacture a new truth. Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of their character by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.
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http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

Dark Pop Dark · Sep 5, 2013

salut, mes frere anonymous chui khalil, chui tunisien et je peux vous aidez just il faut que moi devenir un anonymous

Disambiguation · Feb 26, 2014

http://cryptome.org/2014/02/gchq-online-deception.pdf

Andy Downs · Feb 26, 2014

Disambiguation said: ↑

http://cryptome.org/2014/02/gchq-online-deception.pdf

Thanks

CheatThePocket · Mar 27, 2014

User: All of you
Action: Banned
Duration: Forever
Reason: Moonbattery

Ethics Overdrive · May 22, 2014

either I am not paranoid enough to see it , Or I am truly stupid LOL. Or I am "too honest", to see the deviousness in it. Are you talking "posts" or "thread" sliding?

I can see this "thread sliding" by posting on unimportant older threads to bump them up ahead of the important ones, In an attempt to discourage readers from reading threads past the first few pages. Then this can be done without having to place any sleeper threads for that purpose, any boring or mundane thread will do.

Oh Hell I think I am starting to see why people think I am a troll etc, when I am not. My idea of forums is "Long term conversations" that can last years. So sometimes I have been known to post on 2-3 year old threads, to bring new perspective to long running conversations. If you only want input on recent topics, then why are you not running a chat-room instead, which is more conductive and productive for short lived discussions?

Ok I am not your typical joe. I do not think like others, a lot of the time, When the crowd runs one way, I usually run the opposite or perpendicular to the crowd, rarely do I go with the crowd. end result is the same. I see it as thinking for myself.

I also may talk about subjects in a roundabout fashion. It looks like it is "off topic" speak or "trolling" or "derailing". It is not. As I said I am not your typical joe. I often use non related examples to make a point about the current topic. like threads about hearing aid design defects, and I will use a toyota car manufacturing to show another example regarding defect in designing, that people may be more familiar too because of its public scrutiny.(hearing aid design defects is not well known by public so harder for the public to understand the issue.) To another reader Who does not understand me, will think I am trying to derail the thread or talk off topic, when I am not. I think broader and indirect relations, It is not deliberate, I just try to see from more angles about the issue, that may not be so straight forward.

another example in action of this, is look to my child predator post about looking at taking action in another manor through education etc, than what the thread was about, which was expose the predators.
I was thinking in terms of same end goal but off topic to achieve the same end goal which is protect the young from being exploited or abused..

Do I dare say "#6 Character assassination?" as forum manipulation??

EDIT TO ADD: whoops guess this is example of 5 and 6 on post #89 didn't read on 3 pages of thread Was using the ones on first page END EDIT.

vvvvvvvvvv
Here is an important one regarding manipulation of forums. It happened to me on several, when trying to bring up legal issues people needed to be made aware of as to hopefully encourage people to seek justice, for the whole:

One of the things I notice on forums is when someone is trying to bring what they view as an important issue to light in the community, that needs to be addressed in the OP eyes. Then other posters don't want that issue talked about, so they start to attack the OP accusing the op as being "troll", "tinfoil hat" "a problem person"etc, Forcing the OP to go on the defensive, thus not focusing on the issue itself and thus burying the important context of the message. All of this, in an attempt to get a moderator to ban the "op" as disruptive , troll, etc. And to have the thread locked or so derailed no one wants to bother to read it. This happened to me on "disability civil rights" and "renters rights", "right to bare arms, in order to deter tyranny, and self protection." , "stripping of the 7th amendment rights through the use of mandatory arbitration in contracts, TOU, etc. Since the moderators don't have time nor care to actually figure what is going on, they simply ban the OP just to be rid of it.
^^^^^^^^^^^

Technique 4: no need to fish here, with planning and strategy done in the open. in order to develop deterrent strategies. The tips threads about staying anonymous at rallies for example. Nobody has to go fishing for that info because its freely shared here, instead of shared in face to face meetings before events.

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Following is clarification about me and why posted to this thread, being that I communicate in a manor as to appear that I might be doing what is described above, while in fact I am not. The difference is that the forum manipulators doing it to disrupt or cause problems. This is not the kind of person I am. Been accused of being too brutally honest and part of being this way is I tend to do TMI. If you have a problem with that, simply do not read my post. No one is forcing you to read them.

FYI I am weird, If you do not get what I am saying, don't worry, please do not think it is an attempt to derail or cause problems. If you knew me and my background you would understand why I communicate in a weird fashion. Also I spend a LOT of time "self reflecting" which is part of why I talk about personal experiences or how something effects me, "A LOT". It is not ego or self importance or any condition "where its all about me and no one else, etc. I spend in upward of 90-95% of my time alone, not interacting with people. So my thinking has shifted to "internal reflection" of how would I do something, impact me etc and I speak in those terms even-though I am thinking of others at the time.." Just to give contrast to the point I am trying to make that even though I talk about me, I am in reality thinking and acting for others: Anyone Know about the tornado that ripped through St Peters, MN in 98?? I was there, as a sawyer, clearing trees from the streets for two weeks, despite the fact it was nearly half a state away. Only thing I have to show for it is a t'shirt and mug, and a corps man of the year award. Which I keep stored away, not on display.(its about looking out for others, and doing the right thing, ethics, morals)

Saw this thread when I was trying to figure out where to place a couple of links to info about "TPP" and "TAFTA" Free trade agreements.

Disambiguation · May 22, 2014

Ethics Overdrive said: ↑

either I am not paranoid enough to see it , Or I am truly stupid LOL. Or I am "too honest", to see the deviousness in it. Are you talking "posts" or "thread" sliding?

I can see this "thread sliding" by posting on unimportant older threads to bump them up ahead of the important ones, In an attempt to discourage readers from reading threads past the first few pages. Then this can be done without having to place any sleeper threads for that purpose, any boring or mundane thread will do.

Oh Hell I think I am starting to see why people think I am a troll etc, when I am not. My idea of forums is "Long term conversations" that can last years. So sometimes I have been known to post on 2-3 year old threads, to bring new perspective to long running conversations. If you only want input on recent topics, then why are you not running a chat-room instead, which is more conductive and productive for short lived discussions?

Ok I am not your typical joe. I do not think like others, a lot of the time, When the crowd runs one way, I usually run the opposite or perpendicular to the crowd, rarely do I go with the crowd. end result is the same. I see it as thinking for myself.

I also may talk about subjects in a roundabout fashion. It looks like it is "off topic" speak or "trolling" or "derailing". It is not. As I said I am not your typical joe. I often use non related examples to make a point about the current topic. like threads about hearing aid design defects, and I will use a toyota car manufacturing to show another example regarding defect in designing, that people may be more familiar too because of its public scrutiny.(hearing aid design defects is not well known by public so harder for the public to understand the issue.) To another reader Who does not understand me, will think I am trying to derail the thread or talk off topic, when I am not. I think broader and indirect relations, It is not deliberate, I just try to see from more angles about the issue, that may not be so straight forward.

another example in action of this, is look to my child predator post about looking at taking action in another manor through education etc, than what the thread was about, which was expose the predators.
I was thinking in terms of same end goal but off topic to achieve the same end goal which is protect the young from being exploited or abused..

Do I dare say "#6 Character assassination?" as forum manipulation??

EDIT TO ADD: whoops guess this is example of 5 and 6 on post #89 didn't read on 3 pages of thread Was using the ones on first page END EDIT.

vvvvvvvvvv
Here is an important one regarding manipulation of forums. It happened to me on several, when trying to bring up legal issues people needed to be made aware of as to hopefully encourage people to seek justice, for the whole:

One of the things I notice on forums is when someone is trying to bring what they view as an important issue to light in the community, that needs to be addressed in the OP eyes. Then other posters don't want that issue talked about, so they start to attack the OP accusing the op as being "troll", "tinfoil hat" "a problem person"etc, Forcing the OP to go on the defensive, thus not focusing on the issue itself and thus burying the important context of the message. All of this, in an attempt to get a moderator to ban the "op" as disruptive , troll, etc. And to have the thread locked or so derailed no one wants to bother to read it. This happened to me on "disability civil rights" and "renters rights", "right to bare arms, in order to deter tyranny, and self protection." , "stripping of the 7th amendment rights through the use of mandatory arbitration in contracts, TOU, etc. Since the moderators don't have time nor care to actually figure what is going on, they simply ban the OP just to be rid of it.
^^^^^^^^^^^

Technique 4: no need to fish here, with planning and strategy done in the open. in order to develop deterrent strategies. The tips threads about staying anonymous at rallies for example. Nobody has to go fishing for that info because its freely shared here, instead of shared in face to face meetings before events.

----------------------
Following is clarification about me and why posted to this thread, being that I communicate in a manor as to appear that I might be doing what is described above, while in fact I am not. The difference is that the forum manipulators doing it to disrupt or cause problems. This is not the kind of person I am. Been accused of being too brutally honest and part of being this way is I tend to do TMI. If you have a problem with that, simply do not read my post. No one is forcing you to read them.

FYI I am weird, If you do not get what I am saying, don't worry, please do not think it is an attempt to derail or cause problems. If you knew me and my background you would understand why I communicate in a weird fashion. Also I spend a LOT of time "self reflecting" which is part of why I talk about personal experiences or how something effects me, "A LOT". It is not ego or self importance or any condition "where its all about me and no one else, etc. I spend in upward of 90-95% of my time alone, not interacting with people. So my thinking has shifted to "internal reflection" of how would I do something, impact me etc and I speak in those terms even-though I am thinking of others at the time.." Just to give contrast to the point I am trying to make that even though I talk about me, I am in reality thinking and acting for others: Anyone Know about the tornado that ripped through St Peters, MN in 98?? I was there, as a sawyer, clearing trees from the streets for two weeks, despite the fact it was nearly half a state away. Only thing I have to show for it is a t'shirt and mug, and a corps man of the year award. Which I keep stored away, not on display.(its about looking out for others, and doing the right thing, ethics, morals)

Saw this thread when I was trying to figure out where to place a couple of links to info about "TPP" and "TAFTA" Free trade agreements.

I got half way thru this before I gave up. Tl;dr

Anonymous · May 22, 2014

Ethics Overdrive said: ↑

either I am not paranoid enough to see it , Or I am truly stupid LOL. Or I am "too honest", to see the deviousness in it. Are you talking "posts" or "thread" sliding?

I can see this "thread sliding" by posting on unimportant older threads to bump them up ahead of the important ones, In an attempt to discourage readers from reading threads past the first few pages. Then this can be done without having to place any sleeper threads for that purpose, any boring or mundane thread will do.

Oh Hell I think I am starting to see why people think I am a troll etc, when I am not. My idea of forums is "Long term conversations" that can last years. So sometimes I have been known to post on 2-3 year old threads, to bring new perspective to long running conversations. If you only want input on recent topics, then why are you not running a chat-room instead, which is more conductive and productive for short lived discussions?

Ok I am not your typical joe. I do not think like others, a lot of the time, When the crowd runs one way, I usually run the opposite or perpendicular to the crowd, rarely do I go with the crowd. end result is the same. I see it as thinking for myself.

I also may talk about subjects in a roundabout fashion. It looks like it is "off topic" speak or "trolling" or "derailing". It is not. As I said I am not your typical joe. I often use non related examples to make a point about the current topic. like threads about hearing aid design defects, and I will use a toyota car manufacturing to show another example regarding defect in designing, that people may be more familiar too because of its public scrutiny.(hearing aid design defects is not well known by public so harder for the public to understand the issue.) To another reader Who does not understand me, will think I am trying to derail the thread or talk off topic, when I am not. I think broader and indirect relations, It is not deliberate, I just try to see from more angles about the issue, that may not be so straight forward.

another example in action of this, is look to my child predator post about looking at taking action in another manor through education etc, than what the thread was about, which was expose the predators.
I was thinking in terms of same end goal but off topic to achieve the same end goal which is protect the young from being exploited or abused..

Do I dare say "#6 Character assassination?" as forum manipulation??

EDIT TO ADD: whoops guess this is example of 5 and 6 on post #89 didn't read on 3 pages of thread Was using the ones on first page END EDIT.

vvvvvvvvvv
Here is an important one regarding manipulation of forums. It happened to me on several, when trying to bring up legal issues people needed to be made aware of as to hopefully encourage people to seek justice, for the whole:

One of the things I notice on forums is when someone is trying to bring what they view as an important issue to light in the community, that needs to be addressed in the OP eyes. Then other posters don't want that issue talked about, so they start to attack the OP accusing the op as being "troll", "tinfoil hat" "a problem person"etc, Forcing the OP to go on the defensive, thus not focusing on the issue itself and thus burying the important context of the message. All of this, in an attempt to get a moderator to ban the "op" as disruptive , troll, etc. And to have the thread locked or so derailed no one wants to bother to read it. This happened to me on "disability civil rights" and "renters rights", "right to bare arms, in order to deter tyranny, and self protection." , "stripping of the 7th amendment rights through the use of mandatory arbitration in contracts, TOU, etc. Since the moderators don't have time nor care to actually figure what is going on, they simply ban the OP just to be rid of it.
^^^^^^^^^^^

Technique 4: no need to fish here, with planning and strategy done in the open. in order to develop deterrent strategies. The tips threads about staying anonymous at rallies for example. Nobody has to go fishing for that info because its freely shared here, instead of shared in face to face meetings before events.

----------------------
Following is clarification about me and why posted to this thread, being that I communicate in a manor as to appear that I might be doing what is described above, while in fact I am not. The difference is that the forum manipulators doing it to disrupt or cause problems. This is not the kind of person I am. Been accused of being too brutally honest and part of being this way is I tend to do TMI. If you have a problem with that, simply do not read my post. No one is forcing you to read them.

FYI I am weird, If you do not get what I am saying, don't worry, please do not think it is an attempt to derail or cause problems. If you knew me and my background you would understand why I communicate in a weird fashion. Also I spend a LOT of time "self reflecting" which is part of why I talk about personal experiences or how something effects me, "A LOT". It is not ego or self importance or any condition "where its all about me and no one else, etc. I spend in upward of 90-95% of my time alone, not interacting with people. So my thinking has shifted to "internal reflection" of how would I do something, impact me etc and I speak in those terms even-though I am thinking of others at the time.." Just to give contrast to the point I am trying to make that even though I talk about me, I am in reality thinking and acting for others: Anyone Know about the tornado that ripped through St Peters, MN in 98?? I was there, as a sawyer, clearing trees from the streets for two weeks, despite the fact it was nearly half a state away. Only thing I have to show for it is a t'shirt and mug, and a corps man of the year award. Which I keep stored away, not on display.(its about looking out for others, and doing the right thing, ethics, morals)

Saw this thread when I was trying to figure out where to place a couple of links to info about "TPP" and "TAFTA" Free trade agreements.

I got half-way through this before I threw up.

Tl;Ts (Too long; too stupid).

What a self-absorbed faggot!

anon8109 · May 22, 2014

Know your audience EthicsOverdrive.

Witty, focused, and direct works much better than pedantic, wandering, and long-winded.

Ethics Overdrive · May 22, 2014

Anonymous said: ↑

There is no such thing as mind control. That is an excuse for people with weak minds.

^^^^^^^^^^since this could be seen to be a derailment attempt, will play along as follows:

"Hypnotic suggestions" is a form of mind control of manipulations. sound, visual, touch, emotions. eventually almost everyone cracks, if its done right.

Good example of "hypnotic suggestions" in action people going off the deep end that guns causing all the problems. The hypnotic suggestion points to the guns as the fault. BUT its not the guns its the social interactions in the back ground that eventually caused a person to loose sanity and use a "gun as a tool" to solve their perceived problem that can not be solved any other way.

The "hypnotic suggestion" about anti-gun is mostly put forward, by those who wish to have "TOTAL" control over other people. One of the biggest obstacles in the way of this is peoples possession of firearms to fight back with. So the hypnotic suggestion is appeal to people irrational reaction to protect children(emotional short circuit to logical thinking) by claiming there is a rampant problem that is out of control then flashing video over and over of Sandyhook. BE-WARNED I am NOT detracting the tragedy that was sandyhook shooting. I was referring to the use of the media itself to achieve a mind control to steer people into a certain direction of anti-gun leaning.

"Subliminal suggestion" as well, corporations were doing this with commercials on the old black and white boob tubes,(before getting caught) it worked on some people. Because sales was up after, even though the commercials were not all that good. << I saw this in action in a physics class. You could see the message in the clear when putting strong magnet near the side of the screen. This was banned, because it actually worked. I would not doubt, if its still getting used, but hidden more cleverly. It is TOO powerful of a marketing tool. here is proof of this one http://www.progressiveawareness.org...legal_status_of_subliminal_communication.html

mind control is very possible and it is not always the weak who fall for it.

Disambiguation · May 22, 2014

Subliminal seduction is an interesting topic and I would love to hear about it. Can you distill this? You can not expect other people here to read this much rambling. Try posting dox to support your points.

RavenEyes · May 22, 2014

Ethics Overdrive said: ↑

testing to see if post will post had two posts fail as quoting another poster

I see your posts. What trouble are you having?

RavenEyes · May 22, 2014

Disambiguation said: ↑

Subliminal seduction is an interesting topic and I would love to hear about it. Can you distill this? You can not expect other people here to read this much rambling. Try posting dox to support your points.

I think he was, but couldn't get the links to post. He might need your help. He or She, I mean.

Disambiguation · May 22, 2014

ethics overdrive you can delete your own posts. try refreshing the page to see a post before you post again

Ethics Overdrive · May 22, 2014

RavenEyes said: ↑

I see your posts. What trouble are you having?

it had to do with after hitting post reply It was not showing on my screen like it normally would, had to go back to main thread page and re-enter this thread before I could see the posts.

I know some forums, if you place a link within your post, it will delete the post, without actually posting it in the thread and it will blank the text box for you to start over, and I had thought that had happened here, when it failed to show on my screen after hitting post reply. Simple confusion on my part about forum over-site technique.

Ethics Overdrive · May 22, 2014

Disambiguation said: ↑

Subliminal seduction is an interesting topic and I would love to hear about it. Can you distill this? You can not expect other people here to read this much rambling. Try posting dox to support your points.

this reminds me of the 3 old "hard of hearing" ladies going out for tea. I said Subliminal "suggestions" you say subliminal "seduction" now all we need is the third

Ethics Overdrive · May 22, 2014

Night Owl said: ↑

I got half-way through this before I threw up.

Tl;Ts (Too long; too stupid).

What a self-absorbed faggot!

^^^^ This is exactly what I am talking about people misunderstanding me. First off night owl, you do not know me, for that I forgive you for the derogatory name calling.

Disambiguation · May 22, 2014

Ethics Overdrive said: ↑

this reminds me of the 3 old "hard of hearing" ladies going out for tea. I said Subliminal "suggestions" you say subliminal "seduction" now all we need is the third

Subliminal Seduction is a book.

Disambiguation · May 22, 2014

Ethics, I'm leaving this thread. Good luck.

nonono · May 22, 2014

Ethics Overdrive said: ↑

^^^^ This is exactly what I am talking about people misunderstanding me. First off night owl, you do not know me, for that I forgive you for the derogatory name calling.

I am very much for gun control and civil mediation.

Your rant sounds odd.

RavenEyes · May 22, 2014

This thread confuses me, which lets me know it's past my bedtime.

Ethics Overdrive · May 22, 2014

anon8109 said: ↑

Know your audience EthicsOverdrive.

Witty, focused, and direct works much better than pedantic, wandering, and long-winded.

This is the kind of criticism I appreciate

Then the question becomes to I break it up into small posts for the different points this eliminates the wandering issue. If I do not say it at the time I am thinking it, I loose the memory. regardless to how important. To cope with that I have to say it when thinking it. its part of a learning disability.

not all of us can do witty, get me in trouble, so I avoid it.

I am focused just covering multiple points at once, I do the best I can not to wonder. I do a lot of rewriting to straighten them out so I am not going back and forth from point to point.

RavenEyes · May 22, 2014

Ethics Overdrive said: ↑

This is the kind of criticism I appreciate

Then the question becomes to I break it up into small posts for the different points this eliminates the wandering issue. If I do not say it at the time I am thinking it, I loose the memory. regardless to how important. To cope with that I have to say it when thinking it. its part of a learning disability.

not all of us can do witty, get me in trouble, so I avoid it.

I am focused just covering multiple points at once, I do the best I can not to wonder. I do a lot of rewriting to straighten them out so I am not going back and forth from point to point.

I am often forgetful, so I write shorter posts (ADD). If they're longer, what helps me is bullet points, spacing, and trying (I'm not always successful) to keep thoughts on the same topics together. People still misunderstand me. So, sometimes I write a lengthy post and just erase 3/4 of it and keep what I think is most important. In a few minutes, I've forgotten what else I thought was important to me. If it comes back, it does. If it doesn't...maybe it will another day.

You won't get in trouble if you're sincere, open and honest. If people give you shit, reach out to those of us in this thread who you've shared stuff with and we can help. People are cool here. We're just suspicious of new people and weirdos. But, we're cool with people who learn differently.

Ethics Overdrive · May 22, 2014

nonono said: ↑

I am very much for gun control and civil mediation.

Your rant sounds odd.

I was talking about mind control and trying to use real examples that other could see if they bothered to think about it for a bit.

You missed my point was trying to make, it was example of "HOW" media of a tragedy was used to manipulate in form of mind control through the use of "emotion" in order to get an outcome that is different than what that person normally would of followed under different circumstances. I used sandy hook because I know that has a strong emotion for most people and it was so widely covered and repeated over and over. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(political_science) <--what people did not realize is this (mind control) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_control

I am for gun control as well, like stiffer penalties when firearms is used in a crime.<--- this actually works by punishing those that did the wrong doing, without punishing every other law abiding citizen out there. BUT i object to gun control that, purpose is to disarm law abiding citizens. by using criteria that 99% of firearms currently do not follow, like mandatory clip size that is not manufactured at all for most firearms, like 7 round, when only 10 round, 5 round clips are made for example. Even police object to it. Because it does not solve the problem of violence and people behavior and how we treat each other that lead up to the criminal use of firearms.

If you get rid of firearms people just find another method like bombs, knives, poison, etc. example: rat poison in punch anyone?? also look to japan no guns there yet knife and poison was used to do mass harm. or was the recent knife one in china recently?

firearms is just a "TOOL" rat poison is just a tool, pressure cookers just a tool. they all have the potential to kill if miss handled in a malicious way.

You didn't need to remind me that my posts seems odd, when I was specifically pointing that out and trying to explain why that is.

anyway I am out. peace.

rickybobby · Jun 18, 2014

Here is a new link for the OP, original link is inactive.

http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5

Because of our recent influx of trolling and perhaps for anyone new here, as a mental exercise, I revisited this guide of trolling and disinformation to see how many of these tactics I have seen clumsily attempted here recently. I will repost the first bit here for the folks who don't want to click, or if their mouse finger happens to be broken.

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled.

Even though they have been totally full of fail, I have also seen variations of these attempted (from the Disinformation Handbook at the above link):

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.
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7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.
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9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.
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10. Associate opponent charges with old news. A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.
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17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.
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18.Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

and

Scare Tactics

They use them.

Such tactics include slander, defamation, threats, getting close to disaffected or minimally committed fellow activists to persuade them (via psychological tactics described above) to turn against the movement and give false testimony against their former compatriots.

anonymousuk67 · Jun 27, 2014

We need to follow in Vs example.. yes it was a film, but it inspired me to open my once closed eyes.

Anonessential · Nov 29, 2014

A must read for new bloods.
Perfect for those with the tin foiled hat.

TheSpy · Jun 17, 2015

I believe it is more likely this forum is monitored in line with the tactic of encouraging descenting folks to out themselves.

Mildly off topic... Speaking of spying... Why is a temporary file downloaded on my phone when I visit this site? Makes me hesitant to join and seems to contradict the anonymity policy in some obtuse way. Is this TOR related?

Disambiguation · Jun 18, 2015

TheSpy said: ↑

I believe it is more likely this forum is monitored in line with the tactic of encouraging descenting folks to out themselves.

Mildly off topic... Speaking of spying... Why is a temporary file downloaded on my phone when I visit this site? Makes me hesitant to join and seems to contradict the anonymity policy in some obtuse way. Is this TOR related?

Never ever happens to me.

JohnnyRUClear · Jun 18, 2015

What file?

TheSpy · Jun 18, 2015

JohnnyRUClear said: ↑

What file?

OOPS! I posted in the-gentlepersons-guide-to-forum-spies:

https://whyweprotest.net/threads/the-gentlepersons-guide-to-forum-spies.111519/page-3#post-2541150

Post:
"Mildly off topic... Speaking of spying... Why is a temporary file downloaded on my phone when I visit this site? Makes me hesitant to join and seems to contradict the anonymity policy in some obtuse way. Is this TOR related?"

TheSpy · Jun 18, 2015

TheSpy said: ↑

OOPS! I posted in the-gentlepersons-guide-to-forum-spies:

https://whyweprotest.net/threads/the-gentlepersons-guide-to-forum-spies.111519/page-3#post-2541150

Post:
"Mildly off topic... Speaking of spying... Why is a temporary file downloaded on my phone when I visit this site? Makes me hesitant to join and seems to contradict the anonymity policy in some obtuse way. Is this TOR related?"

File name:
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