The good people in government

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by The Internet, Jun 14, 2017.

  1. The Internet Member

    I am becoming a big fan of Senator Angus King of Maine. Listen to the humanity and intelligence in his voice as he asks his fellow senators not to pass legislation that will throw a lot of people off health insurance.
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  2. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Good guy in a bad party, IMHO.
  3. The Internet Member

    King is an independent, not a Republican or a Democrat.
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  4. The Internet Member

    Apparently the White House nominated a few nutbars to serve as judges in our Federal courts. Thank God we have Senator Al Franken on the Judiciary Committee. He calmly revealed the hurr durr of this one, John Kenneth Bush.

    If John Kenneth Bush gets in I fear the madmen have taken over the asylum completely.

    Note the resting derp face.
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    Also the kid behind him. Maybe family?
  5. The Internet Member

    Elizabeth Warren is pretty cool. My impression is, it sucks to be a woman in the Senate. So good on her for putting up with old men making fun of her and telling her to hush.

    This speech was a comfort to me. It is nice to know other people are scared shitless about losing their healthcare. Makes me feel a little more normal.
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  6. The Internet Member

    Of course I gotta give a shout out to Bernie Sanders. I wish he were younger because I feel like we are going to need him for another decade before we get on top of whatever twisted shit has taken over our political system.

    What a tough guy. What a fighter. God bless him.
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  7. All these people are frauds and liberal hacks.
    Muh high cheek bones make me american Indian.
    Muh socialism, never mind muh two mansions.
    Al fucking frankin?

    >good people
    Pick one.
  8. The Internet Member

    Don't divide people into "liberal" and "conservative" because that invites lazy thinking. It's better to look at the pros and cons of issues as they come up.

    Bad guys try to herd people into political brands because they *like* lazy thinkers. Once somebody is in a herd they unconsciously let the thought leaders do their thinking for them. So instead of a hundred people double-checking information you get a few thought leaders and a hundred tape recorders.

    Would you buy a multi-processor computer where most of the processors were replaced by tape recorders?
  9. The Internet Member

    Here is an example of how bad guys are herding Americans into us-v-them groups:

    Why this is bad: Real education begins with facts that are not disputed by scholars. Then people look at the gray areas where our understanding is fuzzy. They consider various models to fit with observations. They invite criticism and look for ways to challenge hypotheses.

    In contrast Turning Point begins with a hypothesis: privatization of government services will create a freer, more prosperous society. Then they cherry pick historical documents to make it seem like America's founding fathers had the same philosophy. Then they cherry pick items from current events to make it seem like their hypothesis is correct. There is no room for opposition or debate, much as in Scientology.

    Giving people a false sense of education makes it much harder for them to actually learn things. College students are vulnerable to cults like this because they don't have a broad or a deep understanding of how scholarship works.

    Now, what is the point of all this? Why are a few wealthy people spending a lot of money to groom an army of zealots to campaign for privatization?
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  10. The Internet Member

    Some people on Turning Point's advisory council:
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    So this is how it is: a few fat cats hold closed meetings where they order Republicans in Congress to do their bidding, or else. This is corruption on a gigantic scale. But there is more to the story...
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  11. The Internet Member

    I am getting into the weeds here but I want to illustrate the problems with the political personal armies making America stupid right now. People don't realize how a few rich people are using youthful idealism to make more money at the expense of the greater good for our country.

    Turning Point advisor Doug Deason inherited his wealth from his father, Darwin Deason.
    Affiliated Computer Services manages a lot of VA and Medicaid programs. So when Doug Deason says he is for "free market" and "privatization" he is not telling the whole truth. What he really wants are more sweet Federal contracts to keep the billions rolling into his bank accounts.

    Well if ACS is better at administrating healthcare than state and federal agencies, maybe that's okay.

    Unfortunately ACS sucks.
    I don't think these Turning Point minions realize how they are being used to help a billionaire rape the rest of us with his shitty outsourcing company.

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  12. The Internet Member

    Last year I talked to people about links between the Trump campaign and Russian oligarchs. The first dox I had was this:
    Everybody in my family I spoke with --seriously, everybody-- brushed me off with "liberals are hysterically over-reacting like usual." I would say, "But 50 GOP..."


    This is not normal. My conclusion is, political groups can slip into cultish thinking and behavior. As we all know, cultish identification causes brain damage. So beware!
  13. The Internet Member

    I'm kind of wound up right now because I'm scared shitless about the ACA repeal that's supposed to happen this week. The repeal bill is called the BCRA or the "Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017." This bill will kill people. Rural hospitals will close. Americans will go bankrupt in droves.

    How much freedom does a person have when their health and solvency are threatened? What happens to a population when a major portion are suddenly stripped of control over basic necessities?

    Part of the BCRA involves defunding Medicaid. The cuts roll out in 2023. When Republican senators are asked what happens to the people and institutions relying on Medicaid right now, they pivot. They say, “Medicaid spending is out of control and we have to do something to cap it.” Okay that may be. Still we need to know what happens to the elderly, nursing homes, and the children of working low income people once the Medicaid cuts hit.

    Most Americans are proud and they’d rather do without than rely on handouts. I think scammers are taking advantage of this noble instinct by framing the greater good as a handout. The greater good for the American people is far more than that.
  14. The Internet Member

    Whew I just heard that Mitch McConnell is delaying the vote until after the July 4th holiday. A little breathing room is nice.

    To the guy who doesn't like the people I honored in this thread for their stance on healthcare: I promise, I am ready to love any Republican who stands up for Americans who are sick or who worry about getting sick and being able to pay for care. I will love long time, I promise.

    If you know of any Republicans who are there for us as we lay bleeding on the battlefield, someone who says, "nobody gets left behind," then name some names! I want to be fair to both political parties.
  15. The Internet Member

    Warren Buffett isn't in government. But he's taking time out of his busy schedule to speak out against the ACA repeal so I am giving him props. And I want to hear that guy call Warren Buffett a "liberal hack."

    For 2016 Mr. Buffett earned 19.5 million dollars. His taxes amounted to 16.3% of that. That is a hella lot less that my wife and I paid and I assure you we did not earn 19.5 million.

    Rich people can set up their income as investment income rather than earned income. Investment income is only 15% up to $250,000 then 18.8% above that. Earned income in the higher brackets is around 40%.

    How come ordinary people with good jobs pay 40% in taxes while the very rich who don't work pay only 18.8%?

    The level of fear we're going through now is crazy. What kind of country are we when a whole political party inflicts terror on tens of millions of us just so the very rich can have their relatively low taxes further reduced?
  16. The Internet Member

    Props to the Republican Mississippi Secretary of State, Delbert Hoseman, for announcing that he doesn't like releasing personal info on Mississippi registered voters, including party affiliation, address, and last 4 digits of SS#.

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  18. My god.
    ITT T. I. Talks to himself as wwp breathes it last breath of relevance.
    Chanology was a mistake. Moralfags are responsible for the rise of the snowflakes.
    You people need to apologize to the world.
  19. Nice try snowflake, the rest of us enjoy TI's posts. This is another example of the constant bwaa of you. Criticize and complain. Boredom yawn. You are trying to tear this place down. You are going thru a list of posters and bashing them. Next week will it be TWG?
  20. The Internet Member

    Oh look a judgmental person condemns us for being judgmental moralfags.

    And I think I see someone stopping by a cemetery to yell at the grave sites, "You're dead!"

    Then a guy bookmarks a site so he can post, "this site is not relevant to my interests."

    Is there something other than Scientology that can scramble a brain like this? Maybe libertarianism?
  21. The Internet Member

    Critics are awesome.

    If you think critics are bad, what do you think of yourself for criticizing critics?
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  23. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Guess: because regulation says so.
  24. Ann O'Nymous Member

    IMHO, the first question is: how does he got this information ?
  25. The Internet Member

    Citizens have to fill out registration paperwork asking for identifying info and party affiliation before they can vote. Each state manages this info independently.

    Although it would be more efficient to have one Federal election rather than 50 distinct elections (one in each state), there is a reduced risk of voter fraud with so many different elections at once. A bad guy would have to corrupt election officials in many states in order to impact a Presidential election.

    Now that private companies and criminals want access to databases with detailed personal info on everyone we are better off keeping our info less centralized. But this advantage may not last much longer. Everything is in a database someplace and people can stitch together info across multiple databases.
  26. Ann O'Nymous Member

    IMHO, that the first and perhaps the main problem. AFAR, in Europe, party affiliation is a private matter and asking for it is illegal (in a similar manner as religion and origins). Some remains of McCarthyism perhaps ?
  27. The Internet Member

    Do you have primaries before elections, where you pick the candidate for your party?
  28. Ann O'Nymous Member

    More and more, with variations across countries and parties. But AFAR, they are organised by the parties themselves.
  29. The Internet Member

    Ah. Primaries are a big deal here. Each state has one and there are a lot of states. The first one happens in New Hampshire around January-March. They end mid summer when each party holds a convention to announce their candidate.

    By voting in a primary you out your party affiliation. Although some people switch parties to vote for a shitty candidate in the opposing party because they are thinking strategically.

    I guess you could hide your leanings by not participating in the primaries and registering as an independent. But most people don't feel the need to be so stealthy. Until recently people haven't worried about being targeted for e-shenanigans by assholes in the opposing party.
  30. Ann O'Nymous Member

    I know the US system quite well.

    I see nothing in what you say that request the State(s) to know your voting habits.

    Privacy is a central feature of civic freedom, IMHO.
  31. The Internet Member

    I agree. Citizen party affiliation should be private. Figuring out how to keep it private is the tricky part.

    Every 10 years we have a census. Somehow party affiliation becomes a part of that database, I think. Because the census data are used to divide states into voting districts. Whichever party is in control fiddles with the maps to their own advantage. If the people doing the re-districting didn't know which homes were red and which were blue the system would probably be more fair.
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  32. The Internet Member

    See Ginni Thomas up there? That's US Supreme Court justice Clarence Thomas' wife. Below is an article about Thomas' far-right ideas and his involvement with Trump's executive branch.

    Being a Thomas clerk sounds kinda culty.
    Whoo boy this "unitary executive" idea seems dangerous. Most things in life are not political. Some things get really fucked up if they are subjected to political pressure. We don't want to subject science or fact-finding efforts to political pressure, for example.
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  34. Anthro Member

    Hey bitch quit the spam
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