The Smoking Gun: Trump, The Least Charitable Billionaire

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by hushpuppy, Apr 12, 2011.

  1. The Wrong Guy Member

    Trump’s pledge to keep the world from laughing at us hits another setback | The Washington Post


    Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross was supposed to attend this week’s Economic Council of the Christian Democratic Union meeting in Berlin, but suddenly canceled his travel plans on Tuesday. Ross was scheduled to give an address at the conference immediately before German Chancellor Angela Merkel, so he instead gave his remarks by teleconference from Washington.

    Ross was allotted 10 minutes to speak. After he spoke for more than 20, the conference organizers cut his feed mid-sentence. The audience “laughed and clapped” in response, according to Bloomberg News. Merkel then rose and, during her remarks, disagreed with one of Ross’s points.

    The relationship between President Trump and Merkel has been strained since his inauguration. His repeated insistence that Germany owes money to NATO and his unusual reticence to embrace that alliance has been one point of friction. His disparagement of Germany as “very bad” in a closed-door meeting was another. That claim centered on what Trump (and Ross) viewed as a trade disparity between the two countries and was the point with which Merkel took issue.

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  2. The Wrong Guy Member

    With latest jabs, Trump-Obama relationship reaches historic nastiness | CNN


    It's a long-distance feud, transmitted over the airwaves and on social media, that's now devolved well beyond a small political spat.

    For President Donald Trump and his predecessor, Barack Obama, the animosity that started years ago has never waned, except for a month-long period during the presidential transition.

    Now, the current and former president are carrying out the nastiest public dispute in modern presidential history, one that began on deeply personal terms and which now plays out nearly every time Trump finds a policy he dislikes or a perceived double standard.

    The acrimony is largely one-sided; while Obama has not made a direct assault on Trump's character since last year's presidential campaign concluded, Trump has steadily increased his stinging criticism of Obama.

    This week, it was the previous administration's response to Russian election hacking that drew Trump's ire. Last week, it was his signature health care law. Since the final time they spoke on Inauguration Day, Trump has lit into Obama over his handling of North Korean hostages, his decision to join the Paris climate accord and his policy toward Cuba.

    And then there's his baseless accusation that Obama ordered wiretapping at Trump Tower, a charge he never fully explained and which he's not yet retracted.

    "He was very nice to me but after that we've had some difficulties," Trump said nonchalantly to a CBS interviewer last month. "So it doesn't matter. Words are less important to me than deeds. You saw what happened with surveillance, and everybody saw what happened with surveillance."

    In fact, few people saw what happened, at least in the way Trump described it. The accusation, which sources said annoyed the former president, was the moment it became clear to those in both Trump and Obama's spheres that a functional relationship -- which past presidents have long cherished with one another -- was not in the offing.

    "He hasn't let up the entire time," bemoaned one former Obama White House official, who said Trump was merely attempting to distract from is own woes by directing attention at his predecessor.

    "He operates by making people his enemy," said the official, who spoke anonymously to describe the relationship between the two presidents. "If it deflects the focus from being on him, that's a win for him."


    "There have been instances in the past where the current president and a former president do not get along at all," said Timothy Naftali, a historian at New York University who formerly served as director of the Richard Nixon presidential library.

    "What's different this time is that the two are showing it. That the animosity is so clear, and of course it's more clear on the part of President Trump, but it can be inferred from the actions of President Obama," he said.


    One administration official said Trump is deeply sensitive to unfavorable comparisons between the pace of his presidency and Obama's. And he has eyed with deep skepticism Obama's emerging presence on the global political stage, where Trump feels increasingly isolated while some western leaders -- including German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Emmanuel Macron and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau -- align themselves in public with Obama in his post-presidency.

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    Trump's Russia lawyer faces conflict-of-interest questions over $296m Kushner deal | The Guardian
    • Revealed: Marc Kasowitz’s firm involved in real-estate sale to Trump son-in-law
    • Loan relating to building’s purchase could fall under Mueller’s Russia inquiry
    • Questions already raised about Kasowitz’s potential conflict of interest issues
  4. The Wrong Guy Member

    House Russia probe eyes longtime Trump bodyguard-turned-White House aide Keith Schiller | ABC News


    Congressional investigators now want to interview Keith Schiller, President Donald Trump’s longtime bodyguard-turned-White House aide, as part of their investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential campaign, sources familiar with the investigation told ABC News.

    Schiller, the former head of security for the Trump Organization who now serves as the White House director of Oval Office operations, is one of several Trump associates on the House Intelligence Committee’s witness list in its ongoing investigation into Russian election interference.

    The committee’s focus on Schiller and other Trump campaign officials and associates marks a new phase in the investigation -- which is examining how Russia attempted to influence the election, the Obama administration’s response and allegations of collusion between Trump associates and Russian officials.

    It's the latest indication that the investigations are touching Trump's inner circle. In late July, longtime Trump associate Roger Stone is expected to appear before congressional investigators for a closed-door interview. The growing list of other Trump associates the committee has said they want to meet includes former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, Trump son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner, and former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

    Kushner, Stone, Flynn and Manafort have all volunteered to cooperate with the ongoing investigations and have denied any wrongdoing.

    Committee aides declined to comment to ABC News about the inclusion of Schiller on their list of witnesses. Schiller did not respond to repeated requests for comment about the investigation.

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  5. One good thing from this debacle is the empowerment of Europe in relation to the US. Also m seeing a lot more news stories about Europe, including the French leader addressing US citizens directly.
    We're getting laughed at Trump. Sad!
  6. The Wrong Guy Member

    Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 2 hours ago
    I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came...

    Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 2 hours ago Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!

    Trump tweets shocking assault on Brzezinski, Scarborough | CNN

    Trump Tweets ‘Morning Joe’ Host Was ‘Bleeding From a Face-Lift’ | Variety


    Shortly after Trump’s tweets were deployed, Brzezinski tweeted out a photo of the back of a box of Cheerios, which showed the phrase “made for little hands.”
  7. You're getting laughed at yes however the question you ought to be asking yourselves is why you're being laughed at.
    Why did any voter in America vote for Trump?
    Albeit with some meddling from Putin trump made it to the oval office and there he sits making a mockery of the Constitution word for word and the citizens of America with it.
    He's there and you all voted for him and all of you deserve to be laughed at for your gross stupidity and short sightedness.
  8. The Internet Member

    Shared experiences from a young age make the melting pot work. Good public schools all following national standards with similar textbooks for core classes are part of that. A small number of private schools won't disrupt that but too many schools promoting divisive ideas, like [Christians, Scientologists, Muslims, Rudolph Steiner lovers, white people, black people, etc.] are better than other people --that's a recipe for disaster. A shared respect for science and the process of weighing evidence also bonds us together because facts belong to everyone.

    Pre-internet, pre-cable TV everyone watched the same four TV stations. People went to work and school all talking about the same current events. Because broadcast radio frequencies belong to the public, the promotion of one political viewpoint over another without challenge wasn't cool. Someone with an opposing view could demand equal time to refute what had been said. But then deregulation and right wing radio 24/7. Politics without genuine challenge or "dox or gtfo." Then Fox News. Then Internet where people sort themselves by viewpoint.

    Our disappearing common ground has come with a feeling that facts are debatable. This is narcissism and madness. Unless this trend is stopped we are headed for authoritarianism and cruelty.

    We have to fight for good education that is roughly similar for all children across the country. We need to re-establish areas of public control over mass media, with fact based fora and something like the broad based peer review used within scientific communities to keep everyone attached to reality. We need to recognize that experts are not the enemy. Experts are necessary. And we need to shame politicians who behave like their personal opinions are just as good as science.

    We need to call out the fat cats marketing antisocial libertarian ideas, like the idea that taxes are theft. There is no place on the planet where these ideas work. They only serve the cause of organized crime, which is a hella thing to fight. Unfortunately thanks to US oligarchs these ideas have taken over the Republican party. We may need a generation to fix this problem because brainwashing on a massive scale doesn't fade easily.

    I remember reading about a survey done in Germany in 1948 which showed that Hitler would have won election if he were alive. Hard to believe, given the reality of the death camps and the damage he inflicted upon Europe. Just shows how deep the emotional bond to a self-glorifying unreality can be. As I understand, de-Nazification took effort and the force of law. I wonder if the US can overcome its own flavor of mass narcissism without some crushing defeat and external pressure. I sure hope so.
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  9. TL;DR
    Big wordy paras empty of content.
  10. What this thread needs is moar cheese.
  11. The Internet Member

    The tl;dr: Libertarianism is a big part of the cancer now killing America.
  12. True and you with your over inflated opinions of what makes America great are contributing to that cancer.
    Like many members of this forum your basic function consists not to encourage discussion but to out do wrong guy with his wealth of news articles.
    It's an ego trip for many of you and unfortunately you can't see that which is pitiful.
  13. The Internet Member

    Give me a discussion, bro. I am all for it.
  14. No one could outdo TWG so I call you a troll for positing that
  15. White Tara Global Moderator

    Of the regular users that post here, The Internet being but one of them, I find it curious the very targeted and personal attacks being fired their way. Anyone might surmise that its someones wish to scare people off from posting here at all. The mind boggles as to who would want such a thing, and why.

    Anyway, /derail back to all things Trump.
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  17. The Wrong Guy Member

    Navarro: This disgusting man is president | CNN

    CNN's Ana Navarro discusses President Trump's tweets attacking MSNBC hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski.

    Mika and Joe postpone their vacation to hit back at Trump: MSNBC hosts will sling 'bad blood' back at the President on air tomorrow morning over 'bleeding from a facelift' tweet
    • President Donald Trump viciously tore into Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski in Thursday morning tweets for trash talking him on their show
    • He sent the tweets minutes before the end of the engaged duo's MSNBC program, cutting down on their ability to respond immediately on air
    • Brzezinski hit back on Twitter, sharing a 'little hands' graphic in a throwback to Trump's campaign argument with Sen. Marco Rubio
    • Scarborough let CNN's Jake Tapper do the talking; 'This reminds me: how is @FLOTUS's campaign against cyber-bullying going?' the CNN host said
    • The Morning Joe hosts were seen at Trump's Palm Beach resort on New Year's Eve - but Scarborough has said they were not there to party
    • The pair, who announced their engagement to one another early last month, have had an on-again, off-again relationship with Trump
    • Scarborough and Brzezinski have now delayed their vacation to fire back at President Trump on air over his 'bleeding from a facelift' tweet
    • They were on such good terms with the president when he was inaugurated that he offered to officiate their wedding
    • Republicans turned on the president urging him to stop the abusive tweeting but the First Lady's office said he would 'hit back 10 times harder' if attacked
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    Stephen: 'This Is What's Wrong With The American President' | The Late Show with Stephen Colbert

    Stephen's monologue begins with a look at the President's shocking and vicious Twitter cyberbullying of Mika Brzezinski.

    Donald Trump is not well

    By Mika Brzezinski and Joe Scarborough, The Washington Post


    President Trump launched personal attacks against us Thursday, but our concerns about his unmoored behavior go far beyond the personal. America’s leaders and allies are asking themselves yet again whether this man is fit to be president. We have our doubts, but we are both certain that the man is not mentally equipped to continue watching our show, “Morning Joe.”

    The president’s unhealthy obsession with our show has been in the public record for months, and we are seldom surprised by his posting nasty tweets about us. During the campaign, the Republican nominee called Mika “neurotic” and promised to attack us personally after the campaign ended. This year, top White House staff members warned that the National Enquirer was planning to publish a negative article about us unless we begged the president to have the story spiked. We ignored their desperate pleas.

    The president’s unhealthy obsession with “Morning Joe” does not serve the best interests of either his mental state or the country he runs. Despite his constant claims that he no longer watches the show, the president’s closest advisers tell us otherwise. That is unfortunate. We believe it would be better for America and the rest of the world if he would keep his 60-inch-plus flat-screen TV tuned to “Fox & Friends.”

    For those lucky enough to miss Thursday’s West Wing temper tantrum, the president continued a year-long habit of lashing out at “Morning Joe” while claiming to never watch it. During his early-morning tirade, Mr. Trump spit out schoolyard insults about “low I.Q. Crazy Mika,” “Psycho Joe” and much worse. He also fit a flurry of falsehoods in his two-part tweetstorm.

    Mr. Trump claims that we asked to join him at Mar-a-Lago three nights in a row. That is false. He also claimed that he refused to see us. That is laughable.

    The president-elect invited us both to dinner on Dec. 30. Joe attended because Mika did not want to go. After listening to the president-elect talk about his foreign policy plans, Joe was asked by a disappointed Mr. Trump the next day if Mika could also visit Mar-a-Lago that night. She reluctantly agreed to go. After we arrived, the president-elect pulled us into his family’s living quarters with his wife, Melania, where we had a pleasant conversation. We politely declined his repeated invitations to attend a New Year’s Eve party, and we were back in our car within 15 minutes.

    Mr. Trump also claims that Mika was “bleeding badly from a face-lift.” That is also a lie.

    Putting aside Mr. Trump’s never-ending obsession with women’s blood, Mika and her face were perfectly intact, as pictures from that night reveal. And though it is no one’s business, the president’s petulant personal attack against yet another woman’s looks compels us to report that Mika has never had a face-lift. If she had, it would be evident to anyone watching “Morning Joe” on their high-definition TV. She did have a little skin under her chin tweaked, but this was hardly a state secret. Her mother suggested she do so, and all those around her were aware of this mundane fact.

    More significant is Mr. Trump’s continued mistreatment of women. It is disturbing that the president of the United States keeps up his unrelenting assault on women. From his menstruation musings about Megyn Kelly, to his fat-shaming treatment of a former Miss Universe, to his braggadocio claims about grabbing women’s genitalia, the 45th president is setting the poorest of standards for our children. We were heartened to hear a number of Republican lawmakers call out Mr. Trump for his offensive words and can only hope that the women who are closest to him will follow their examples. It would be the height of hypocrisy to claim the mantle of women’s empowerment while allowing a family member to continue such abusive conduct.

    We have known Mr. Trump for more than a decade and have some fond memories of our relationship together. But that hasn’t stopped us from criticizing his abhorrent behavior or worrying about his fitness. During the height of the 2016 presidential campaign, Joe often listened to Trump staff members complain about their boss’s erratic behavior, including a top campaign official who was as close to the Republican candidate as anyone.

    We, too, have noticed a change in his behavior over the past few years. Perhaps that is why we were neither shocked nor insulted by the president’s personal attack. The Donald Trump we knew before the campaign was a flawed character but one who still seemed capable of keeping his worst instincts in check.


    'Flat out gross and disgusting': Cable TV erupts at Trump's 'Morning Joe' tweets | The Washington Post


    Hours after President Trump posted a pair of ugly tweets attacking cable TV hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski, cable news talk shows across the political spectrum featured lengthy, often angry monologues accusing him of demeaning his office as well as women.

    Conservatives Charles Krauthammer and Tucker Carlson criticized the tweets on Fox News, with Krauthammer saying “Presidents don’t talk like this.”


    Krauthammer, the dean of conservative newspaper columnists and frequent Trump critic, said during a panel with Fox News’s Bret Baier that Trump was behaving like authoritarian leaders.

    “Presidents don’t talk like this. They never have,” Krauthammer said. “This is what it sounds like when you’re living in a banana republic. This is how Hugo Chávez would talk about his opponents. This is how the worst dictator, Duterte in the Philippines, would talk about opponents.”


    [Anderson] Cooper said Trump was “many things, but tough is not one of them.”

    “Tough is fighting for the health care reforms that he actually campaigned on,” Cooper said. “Tough is rising above insults and actually leading. What our president does is not a display of toughness. It’s a display of weakness of character, of thinness of skin.”

    He also took considerable time to point out apparent contradictions between the words and actions of the Trump family. Ivanka Trump, he said, had made elevating women a central tenet of her business and political platform, yet had said nothing to condemn her father’s remarks. Melania Trump promised to focus on cyberbullying as first lady, but Cooper pointed out, has yet to launch any such initiative.

    Cooper opened his show by reading his audience a “passage from a book full of advice on how a president ought to behave.”

    “‘The president of the United States is the most powerful person in the world. The president is the spokesman for democracy and liberty. Isn’t it time we brought back the pomp and circumstance and the sense of awe for that office that we all held?’”

    “‘The writer went on to say, ‘That means everyone in the administration should look and act professionally, especially the president.’” Cooper read. “The writer concludes, ‘Impressions matter.’”

    That quote was from a 2015 book called “Crippled America,” Cooper said. The author was Donald Trump.

    “It’s easy at this point to just shrug and say, ‘This is what our president does, it’s who he is.’” Cooper said. “Maybe to some this even seems normal. But it’s not normal. This is the most powerful man on the face of the entire planet.”

    Cooper’s frustration was amplified later during a panel debate on his show, when the anchor interrupted his guests to ask: “What about the friggin dignity of the presidential office?”

    “George W. Bush insisted people wear a tie in the Oval Office and now that seems like a laughable notion,” Cooper continued. “Like, why should any kid look up to the president of the United States now?”

    The Logic of Trump's Sexist Attack on Mika Brzezinski | The Atlantic

    When women challenge Trump politically, he insults them physically.
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    Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 1 hour ago
    Watched low rated @Morning_Joe for first time in long time. FAKE NEWS. He called me to stop a National Enquirer article. I said no! Bad show

    Joe Scarborough‏ @JoeNBC 1 hour ago
    Joe Scarborough Retweeted Donald J. Trump
    Yet another lie. I have texts from your top aides and phone records. Also, those records show I haven't spoken with you in many months.

    Joe Scarborough‏ @JoeNBC 60 minutes ago
    Joe Scarborough Retweeted Joe Scarborough
    Why do you keep lying about things that are so easily disproven? What is wrong with you?
  20. Misogyny of Trump is calculated. Part of his base are white men, no college degree, conservative who are misogynistic and unhappy with the advances that women have made. He's dog whistling i.e. Sending a message that's unheard by most of us, but playing directly to that demographic. Expect more misogyny as ' jokes' that can be disclaimed as 'just joking'.
  21. The Wrong Guy Member

    California, New York and Virginia Refuse to Give Personal Data to President Trump's Voter Fraud Commission

    By Abigail Abrams, TIME


    President Donald Trump’s voter fraud commission has asked every state to provide personal data on all registered voters going back to 2006 — and some states are not happy about it.

    California, New York and Virginia have said they will refuse to comply with the request, and Connecticut said it would withhold protected data. In a June 28 letter, Kris Kobach, vice chair of the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, asked for names, addresses, birth dates, Social Security information, voting history and military status, among other information.

    The letter did not explain what the commission will do with the information, but asked states to deliver the data by July 14 and said everything would be made available to the public.

    California’s Secretary of State Alex Padilla called the election commission a “waste of taxpayer money.” Trump created the commission after claiming — with no evidence — that millions of people voted illegally during the 2016 presidential election.

    “I will not provide sensitive voter information to a commission that has already inaccurately passed judgment that millions of Californians voted illegally. California's participation would only serve to legitimize the false and already debunked claims of massive voter fraud made by the President, the Vice President, and Mr. Kobach,” Padilla said in his statement. “The President's Commission is a waste of taxpayer money and a distraction from the real threats to the integrity of our elections today: aging voting systems and documented Russian interference in our elections."

    New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said in a tweet that his state would also deny the request, and that New York "refuses to perpetuate the myth voter fraud played a role in our election."

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  22. RavenEyes Member

    I respectfully disagree...the two are completely different, and TI isn't part of any cancer.
    TI expresses his own opinions and always wants discussion. He's thoughtful, polite, and thinks things out. I don't find him narcissistic/egotistical.

    The RSS-feed poster? I was talking about this just the other day with a mod, and back when we had a shit-ton more members/users/mods, nobody did that copy/paste article ad nauseum w/no additional input added (or requested it be done). I'm rarely here any more, anyway. So maybe those left love it. Dunno.


    Reminder: As always, there are TWO RAVENS. We know there are a few dolts who can't seem to get that through their skulls after almost a decade.
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  23. Two Ravens ,ten Ravens who gives a fuck .
    DIAF you rancid ho.
    Ravens ugly face
    This message by Ravens ugly face has been hidden due to negative ratings. (Show message)
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  24. The Wrong Guy Member

    BuzzFeed subpoenas feds for Trump dossier info

    Media outlet seeks to use Russian tech executive’s libel suit to seek records from spy agencies.

    By Josh Gerstein, POLITICO


    Add this surprising entry to the growing list of those issuing subpoenas for insight into the imbroglio involving President Donald Trump and the Russians: BuzzFeed.

    The online media outlet sent formal demands Thursday to the CIA, the FBI and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, seeking details on the distribution of an unverified intelligence dossier about Trump said to have been in the possession of Russian intelligence during last year’s presidential campaign, POLITICO has learned.

    BuzzFeed is also seeking testimony from fired FBI Director James Comey, as well as former DNI James Clapper and CIA Director John Brennan, said a source familiar with the subpoenas.

    BuzzFeed issued the demands for documents and testimony in connection with a libel suit the site is facing from Russian technology executive Aleksej Gubarev over BuzzFeed’s decision to publish the salacious intelligence dossier in its entirety in January.

    Gubarev and two of his companies were mentioned in the document the website put online. Claiming that the references were inaccurate and defamatory, Gubarev and the firms filed suit in February in a county court in Florida. Buzzfeed had the case transferred to a federal court in Miami and wanted it transferred again to a federal court in Manhattan, but the judge handling the suit in Miami declined.

    At about the same time the suit was filed, BuzzFeed blacked out from the document Gubarev’s name and the names of his firms. However, the dossier had already been posted for several weeks in unredacted form.

    The subpoenas seek information about the existence and scope of the federal government’s investigation into the dossier, initially compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele. The requests for documents say the information could bolster BuzzFeed’s claim that publication of the document was protected by the fair report privilege, which can immunize reports based on official government records.

    A spokesman for BuzzFeed News, Matt Mittenthal, confirmed that the media outlet is seeking to use the court process to nail down details of when and to whom information on the dossier was distributed.

    “As part of the discovery process, we have subpoenaed key federal agencies for evidence that the dossier was circulating at the highest levels of government, and therefore clearly in the public interest,” Mittenthal said.
    BuzzFeed also subpoenaed several individuals, although the details of those requests were not immediately available.

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  25. The Wrong Guy Member

    Trump White House declines to recognize LGBT Pride Month | CNN


    President Donald Trump has broken with recent precedent by not recognizing June as LGBT Pride Month.

    The decision marks an end to two of his predecessors' tradition of officially recognizing the month. President Bill Clinton first recognized it in 1999 in commemoration of the Stonewall Riots of late June 1969, which many point to as the start of the modern gay rights movement.

    Clinton again recognized June as Pride Month in 2000, but the practice was paused under the George W. Bush administration. President Barack Obama picked it up again during his eight years in office, issuing June proclamations and hosting celebrations inside the White House.

    The White House did not respond to a request for a comment. Although Trump did not recognize LGBT Pride Month, he proclaimed June as Great Outdoors Month, National Caribbean-American Heritage Month, African-American Music Appreciation Month, National Ocean Month and National Homeownership Month.

    As a candidate, Trump had promised to be different than many of his GOP peers on the campaign trail. In June of last year, he declared that he would be a better ally of the LGBT community than Hillary Clinton.

    "Thank you to the LGBT community", he tweeted. "I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs."


    Trump's decision to stay silent on the matter throughout June comes at a time when record numbers of Americans support same-sex marriage. According to the Pew Research Center, a record 62% of Americans now say they are in favor of allowing gays and lesbians to marry legally.

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    22 states refusing to provide voter data to Trump election panel | TheHill


    Mississippi Secretary of State Delbert Hosemann, a Republican, similarly said he won't turn over any information to the panel, telling members of the voter fraud commission to, "go jump in the Gulf of Mexico."

    “Indiana law doesn’t permit the Secretary of State to provide the personal information requested by Secretary Kobach,” [Indiana Secretary of State Connie] Lawson said. “Under Indiana public records laws, certain voter info is available to the public, the media and any other person who requested the information for non-commercial purposes. The information publicly available is name, address and congressional district assignment.”

    “Wisconsin statutes do not permit the state to release a voter’s date of birth, driver license number or Social Security number,” Michael Haas, the administrator of the Wisconsin Elections Commission, said in a release.

    Rhode Island Secretary of State Nellie Gorbea (D) took her criticism further, saying Kobach was unfit to lead the commission, given his record of strict voting laws and a recent court fine for failing to produce documents related to a lawsuit over voting laws.

    “It is deeply troubling that he has been given oversight of this commission by the president,” Gorbea said.

    Kobach is an advocate of strict voter identification laws, which he says are necessary to combat fraud. Opponents say those laws hinder access to the polls primarily for elderly and minority voters.

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  27. White Tara Global Moderator

    So much truthiness in this.
  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 2 hours ago
    Happy Canada Day to all of the great people of Canada and to your Prime Minister and my new found friend @JustinTrudeau. #Canada150

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1 hour ago
    Word is that @Greta Van Susteren was let go by her out of control bosses at @NBC &amp; @Comcast because she refused to go along w/ 'Trump hate!'

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1 hour ago
    Numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished VOTER FRAUD PANEL. What are they trying to hide?

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1 hour ago
    I am extremely pleased to see that @CNN has finally been exposed as #FakeNews and garbage journalism. It's about time!

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 1 hour ago
    Crazy Joe Scarborough and dumb as a rock Mika are not bad people, but their low rated show is dominated by their NBC bosses. Too bad!

    Defiant Trump resumes attacks on Morning Joe hosts, despite bipartisan criticism | CNN
  29. The Internet Member

    You know truthiness is fake truth, right? The opposite of truth. I am just checking because I kinda thought you would not call bs on that post.

    OK I just googled. "opposite of truth" is an exaggeration. More like, "we aren't bothering to check if X is true because it feels true."

    So given that definition, I can see your point.
  30. The Internet Member

    3D trolling, bb. The burn doesn't hit for several years.
    Belladonna was a pretty good hunter-gatherer, pbuh.

    At this point I appreciate everything. Even the trolls who tell us the place is dead, like we didn't already know. If any of those trolls are OSA, lol counterproductive to your cause you silly people.

    What are we doing? I dunno. Keeping the fire warm and the lights on just in case something happens maybe.
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  31. The Republicans are stuck here. There are reasons they took health care first, one of the reasons being they thought they would ride Trump's popularity over the hump. The people who have saddled us with this baby king are rationally using him as a smoke screen to push an anti- working man addenda while entertaining the working man. This is a big reason why Trumps tweets are so Neanderthal.
    Since he is pretending to be Christian he and his good Christians should read this.
  32. The Wrong Guy Member

  33. It has to be something, but it could be infinity’: Trump ponders space.
  34. The Wrong Guy Member

    Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 5 hours ago
    The FAKE & FRAUDULENT NEWS MEDIA is working hard to convince Republicans and others I should not use social media - but remember, I won....

    Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 5 hours ago
    ....the 2016 election with interviews, speeches and social media. I had to beat #FakeNews, and did. We will continue to WIN!

    Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 5 hours ago
    My use of social media is not Presidential - it’s MODERN DAY PRESIDENTIAL. Make America Great Again!

    Donald J. Trump‏ @realDonaldTrump 5 hours ago
    I am thinking about changing the name #FakeNews CNN to #FraudNewsCNN!
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  36. The Internet Member

    I have seen a little of that Mika and Joe show on the YouTubes. It is my impression that Mika is smarter than Joe. Joe gets an idea and just riffs on it. Mika can actually build an argument from time to time. She can think strategically. But she doesn't do that enough. Mostly she squeezes in a comment when she can.

    It's weird how Trump has public feuds with people who seem to be his friends. Like Arnold Schwarzenegger. And CNN which is run by Jeff Zucker, the guy who produced the Apprentice with Trump. And now Joe and Mika.

    It's also weird that two journalists would go hang out with the President socially.
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  37. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    It's diversion, maybe from the health care bill, maybe RussiaGate
  38. The Internet Member

    This article says we shouldn't get our hopes up about Mueller. Mueller is unlikely to throw the FBI under the bus. This means Felix Sater and other mobsters serving as FBI informants aren't going under the bus. And if they don't go, there is no Trump-Russian mafia connection to discuss.

    There is another way to fight this mess: if we tighten up our respect for facts everywhere we can keep organized crime to a dull roar.

    Consider the Garcia case --the one where the Garcias want a refund from Scientology but a judge says they have to follow a Scientology arbitration process that they'd agreed to years ago. As fucked up as that seems, an arbitration panel that has to rely on dox or gtfo, one that has to justify its actions on paper, with a judge keeping an eye on the process --that actually could work. Likewise, we could get our government back from the organized gang of billionaires in control of the Republican party simply by insisting upon transparency, dox or gtfo, people having to show their work, and people having to be responsive to their constituents.

    The other way of fighting organized crime, with long investigations, informants, and bugging --it is mostly a disappointment, sadly.
  39. Why should we not trust Meuller? He'll investigate thoroughly the only question is what he'll get the government to do. You know he'll have that in place, including getting the "warmakers" in agreement before he announces it. The intelligence services hate Trump and know he's dangerous. Pence is solid as a rock so the transition should be smooth. Republicans should die of shame for supporting this man child.

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