What facts? I just reread all your posts since #800 in this thread, and found lots of opinions and no pertinent facts. None. If I missed them, please repeat them, so I can see what you are talking about. Dear god, are you that naive? I guess you are. Sorry TI, but your statement is a howler, so out of touch with reality that I don't even Have I not mentioned that facts are slippery little beasts, that seem to change and mutate according to who is viewing them? I think I have. The graphs I've seen show the temperature rising. But of course that assumes we know what the proper temperature of earth is, and that we are measuring it right. That of course is an unwarranted assumption. The graphs also show that is was hotter 2000 years ago than it is now. What a fact. As for the 'fact' that human greenhouse gas production is the cause is actually an uncertain thing at the moment. So, I'd love to see the facts you offered. If I missed them, I apologize, Please bring them to my attention so we can talk about them.