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To Marty, an open letter

Discussion in 'Independent Scientology' started by anonanchovie, Feb 10, 2011.

  1. anonanchovie Member

    Anon people, below is a letter I have felt inclined to forward to Marty's blog. I have not gone soft, I am trying rather, to communicate to a scientology mindset, something is difficult, even for me now, to get one's head around. I am posting here as it might be informative and useful to you all. Here goes!

    This is to Marty Rathburn and the many ex cult people that have found refuge within organisation that has formed around him over the past couple of years. It is written with respect, and I hope it is received in the same spirit in which it has been written.


    Because I feel very strongly about the many abuses I have witnessed while in (and possibly more so, since I left), the cult of Scientology meted out on all three categories of adherents, Public, org/mission staff and Sea Org, in which I include those children suffering in that subsection of the operation disingenuously characterised as 'The Cadet Org', I remain disturbed by the idea that one would consider that the only thing wrong with Scientology is the efforts by Miscavaige to recreate it in his own image. I have no pity for the man, he is a psychopath, but I think that he is more of a product of both his damaged upbringing and his Scientology experience.


    That said, I am of the mind that if the various techniques employed to help an individual are extracted from the corruption inherent in the IRS recognised organisation and are used in a genuine spirit of caring and humanity then I have no reason to argue with that.


    These statements are made apropos the many public denouncements you and Mike Rinder have been making to shine a harsh light on the goings on behind the razor wire fences in Hemet and the walls of silence and fear in the other Sea Org bases and 'Churches' around the world. Both of you have made and are making a very important contribution to what we all hope for, a full investigation, by the FBI or otherwise, of the crimes being carried out daily, clearly directed by Miscavaige, upon staff and parishioners of the cult. I think it important that you are recognised for the crucial work you have done, both in the media field, but also (I admit I have my concerns, which I will express later in this letter) by creating a safe space for those people who remain devoted to the core concepts of Scientology, yet cannot in all conscience continue to support the corrupted corporation bearing that name. I feel, well, at least I hope, that your 'Marty's Place' provides them a sense of security and a haven.


    I think it fair to say that the vast majority of Scientologists in the cult have cut themselves off from an honest and proactive engagement with the real world going outside of those very real - and also those imagined – walls. Walls erected to corral the Scientologist into dedicated service that borders on abnegation, a ceaseless tormented sacrifice at the alter of COB's cult.


    Historically, and -maybe a sociologist would enlighten me- sociologically it seems that people need a leader around which they can rally, in whom they can invest all of their own self determination, one to whom they can sacrifice their own sense of self. Maybe it is only people that have issues with low esteem, however, history seems to tell us otherwise.


    Cutting to the chase, my observations of the language I have seen engendered by some individuals on your web site, 'Marty's Place' points to the inherent risks in any kind of social movement, a strong figure head elects himself or is elected to voice the fears, angers and frustrations of a populace, is granted complete power and that power devours whatever altruistic aims the said movement was founded upon. A case in point being Maximilien François Marie Isidore de Robespierre around whom the French First Republic rallied, he moved from being an enlightenment philosopher and orator to a monster in a very short few years. The American revolution somehow avoided that mistake, maybe because the nascent state that evolved from the revolution was guided by a number of men of equal power and intellectual capacity.


    Miscavaige seemed to have, from youth, all the hallmarks of a corrupt dictator, he was not stopped, he was placed by all of us, when we were members of his cult, on pedestal, we allowed him to become what he has become, thus the state of the cult is certainly in part our doing. Yes we were dis-empowered, yes our krs were stuffed away in basements and yes, eventually com-evs became kangaroo courts and, to use a term I hate, 'Group Bank Agreement' allowed our fellow staff and public to accept our declares and disconnection, but was there a point when we could have stopped the abuse before it became what it is today?


    There is a lovely line in Shakespeare's 'Julius Ceasar', where we find him entering Rome in triumph, behind him he has a praetorian guard, tapping him with a rod, repeating the words “Remember Ceasar, thou art mortal”.


    So, to all my former friends be they public, SO and Staff who have gravitated from the cult of Miscavaige and rallied around Marty, I hope you have all learned an important lesson from the antics of COB. He didn't get there by accident.


    Marty is a tough guy, he has got balls and I am supportive of the work that he has been doing on the media and in speaking with representatives of the FBI and other authorities, but greater men have been corrupted by the power vested in them by their people, so, for Christ'8s sake, watch it, eh?


    My name is John Duignan, a relatively insignificant SO tool, but I was there for 22 years and I saw a few things.
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  2. xenubarb Member

    Yon Rinder hath a lean and hungry look...
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  3. Miranda Member

    Very nice message. I hope he can listen.
  4. bAnon Member

    Nice one Johnny

    Bless your little Irish heart and every other Irish part.
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  5. Anonymous Member

    Rinder has ambitions, what with his projects at training swaths of new auditors at a new school, and making himself the authority on what is or is not authentically Hubbard.

    I hope he heard you, but somehow I doubt it.
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  6. AnonLover Member

    /GolfClap

    Well done anchovie, well done!!
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  7. Anonymous Member

    John -
    sweetheart, what i think might be better would be another blog entirely for "recent exes", as opposed to this ingrained deferring to the authority of another, as marty is trying to do. you are a thoughtful, intelligent writer and i think it would be healthy to have another outlet, really. Why not have another place where you guys can chat without the authoritarian censorship and manipulation that fucked you guys up in the first place. LOL
    marty (and mike for that matter) still do not have an honest concept of morality and ethics, and so are in absolutely no position to put them upon pedestals to lecture anyone. they have still not done any sincere public admissions about their personal conduct.
    rather, what marty is really doing, is stalling the inevitable. he is making a fan club for himself and hoping that the shit won't hit the fan.
    it is all hollow posturing. i think your letter is too good for his blog.
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  8. Anonymous Member

    Wish you would start a blog--I'd read it and I'm not even an ex.
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  9. Anonymous Member

    and if you ever want a laugh, as an Ex, regarding the total denial about the truth about LRH, and marty blaming dm for everything and bla bla bla, go to one of the marty h8r sites and watch the scios slam him. that is always good for some lulz.

    i'd like to see you exes be smart and say, we don't want another leadurrr.
    take back your power and chart your own course.
    you guise don't need his bullshit.
    you've had enough.
  10. Anonymous Member

    Leaders are what really makes things culty. If freezoners have the dox, they don't need a second opinion, right?
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  12. Herro Member

    Make sure to spray a little cologne on the letter. It's a nice touch.
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  13. Anonymous Member

    someone made a comment here the other day that made me lulz hard, saying that he is 99% sure that martay's wifey had to have been a tranny man.
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  14. Smurf Member

    Seriously, John. The only people that have claimed Marty "talked to the FBI" are his inner circle. Marty has not admitted to this at all. In fact, he earlier posted on his blog that he detested the FBI:

    "Call me what you will, or even try to get in the road of that, it has zero effect on me. I don't care if you are a kid posting with a pseudonym or the chairman of some gigantic corporation, or the head of the FBI for that matter. In that regard, one poster demanded I confess to the FBI. Well, his J.Edgar heroes had me under intense surveillance, ran informants in on me, and tapped my phone over an extended period of time – all while I was in.

    When I got the two feet of transcripts of my phone calls through FOIA, the agent who ran the operation told me,”we did our best, but you just wouldn't take the bait.” So, a) they are the last people who are entitled to any confession by me, and b) I know for a fact they don't have the balls to ask for one. And that goes to the very top, to the punk (and I use the word advisedly from personal experience) who spent a year travelling around the globe trying to put me behind iron bars."

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=203263#post203263

    If Mike or Marty had any conversations with law enforcement, I have no doubt there information was very selective in order to avoid incriminating themselves.
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  15. Anonymous Member

    A+, Smurf.

    Marty is manning a sinking ship.
  16. Zak McKracken Member

    Like Hubbard before him, Marty is in command of the "USS Mist".
  17. timthephoto Member

    Marty continues to cause a mixed reaction by me, on the one hand he seems to be the best placed person (along with Mike) - to completely blow the lid on the Scientology Corporation and many of it's crimes.. (and hell i wish he would)

    On the other hand he is outflowing soothing words and stuff for those Scientology Victims who make a decision to look at his blog. Don't forget that when a person in good standing does that, their hearts will accelerate a bit, they have nagging doubts about the safely of merely reading a website like that - the OSA/Ethics presence is very powerful in the minds of the victims. AND..

    Without going into the tired old argument about the veracity of the 'dox' he posts on there, he does behave like a total gentleman towards anyone mentioned - always contacting them well ahead of time and redacting anything they ask. Trust is something worth having and he is building that up amongst Scientologys' Victims much to the annoyance of DM & Co.

    TL;DR = when Marty & Mike have an OSA/GO and an RPF he will bother me, without those instruments of culthood he can hold his own classes in shouting at the ashtray all he likes.
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  18. TinyDancer Member

    It's a great letter, John Duignan.
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  19. Ann O'Nymous Member

  20. BLiP Member

    The h8tr sites are probably all run by Marty.
  21. RightOn Member

    would be interesting to see Marty's answer.
    errr.... I think
  22. Anonymous Member

    i don't think marty is that clever.

    quite frankly, i'd like to see a bitchfight amongst the "indies" to thwart the powerz of martay, just to shake it up a bit.
    he is too fucking arrogant.
  23. Anonymous Member

    oh noes OSA OSA OSA OSA OSA OSA OSA.!!!!! zomg
  24. Gary Moore Member

    LOLz! This quote gets me every time! Fucking pussy allowed himself to be slapped around by a fucking midget (probably more times than Marty cares to admit - at least Mike admits to 50)! That's Marty's true fucking grudge right there!

    Fuck off Marty you piece of cowardly fucking shit! Fuck off to the pokey where you fucking belong with that fucking midget!

    And yes they do fuck me off - he pretends to care about the poor saps in the hole but didn't stop him jumping on his bike and still the spineless fuck hasn't got the balls to speak to the FBI. Fuck off Marty! Just fuck off!
  25. Squirrel King Member

    I've pretty much come to the conclusion that Marty is guilty of several felonies and will go down with the mother ship.
  26. Zak McKracken Member

    He made it into the life raft, that's a good sign.
    but rather than paddling away, he's going in circles around The Tech
    If he can't bring himself to come clean to the Feds (and GTFO)

    this will end well!

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  27. Gary Moore Member

    Ha! "Several" indeed!

    LOL at this from Perez Hilton :- "Be careful, Mark! We appreciate what you're doing, and we're glad that somebody is blowing the lid on all of this, but we don't want you to get hurt. Proceed with caution, please."

    Where's that fucking Scolds' bridle?
  28. Pretty sure most of them will tune you out as soon as they see the word "cult."
  29. Anonymous Member

    maybe christie is really OSA, and getting intel directly from the inside.
    LOL @ full blown paranoia FTW.
  30. Anonymous Member

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