Discussion in 'Tom and Katie' started by The Wrong Guy, Jun 29, 2012.
"What Tom said, laughingly, was that sometimes, 'That's what it feels like."
oh really? sorry Bert, that sucks too!
You don't mess with people who have served/or who are serving and compare it to a froo froo day on the movie set to serving in Afg.
hey Tom. I FIND THAT OFFENSIVE!
Earlier this morning I was shovelling horse dung now I wish I'd brought a polythene bag with me..........
Tomorrow is another day......
Tom Cruise Claims Suri Cruise Never 'Asked' For Him To Attend First Day Of School, Ridiculous And Overly-Defensive?
By Siyana Riley, Celeb Dirty Laundry
Tom Cruise really dug himself into a hole with this one, hasn’t he? He probably thought that suing the tabloids would make the stories stop, but instead he’s just made himself look bad in the process. The details of his deposition have been leaking all over the Internet, and Tom’s responses to half the questions are so juvenile and defensive that I wonder if he even thought about his answers before he gave them.
An increasingly defensive Tom pretended as though Suri’s first day of school was not that important, when asked about why he wasn’t there for such a momentous occasion. He claims (via Radar), “I think parents sometimes think it’s (a big day). You know with Suri, if she had asked me to be there, I would have been there. I would have tried to make it work out in any way I could.”
Uh, seriously?! The first day of school in any child’s life is one of the most important days of their life, and parents not only attend, but tend to document this event with photographs, videos, etc. So he’s basically saying that ever other parent is wrong, and HE’s the one who’s right? Also, why on earth would Suri ask him to be there? She’s still a child, and she doesn’t know how to ask for love – she’s not going to ASK him to be there for one of the biggest days of her life, and he’s her dad, for goodness sake. He should know to be there without her asking!
Instead of suing the tabloids for concocting stories [or so he claims], Tom should have left it alone. By suing them and opening himself up to all these questions, he’s proving what the tabloids have been saying all along.
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I hope he lands hard at the bottom of this deep deep hole he is digging himself.
I spread the Afghanistan comments on Facebook. Particularly in America, do not fuck with veterans because they have family members and they have friends. And that's a lot of ticket sales you won't see if someone gets really pissed off about it and organizes a boycott. They'll ride across the country on motorcycles to drown out the WBC, you think they won't mobilize to not see a movie?
There's really only two explanations for his comments: he really does think his acting in a movie is as hard as a military member's tour in Afghanistan or he thinks so little of the men and women who deploy to Afghanistan and their experiences there that he feels it's okay to use it as a glib off-hand remark while under oath and being deposed. Either way, his ego is writing checks his body can't cash.
The Afghanistan thing: I can totally believe that lying POS Bert Fields on that. A transcription very often leaves out emotive communication, leaving the reader to guess what it was from just the bare words. And his version does sound more realistic as something Tom would say.
The school thing: now that one just smells. Gotta agree with the criticism there. Bad dad! OTOH, things were very awkward, I'm sure, at that point in time. It wouldn't have been quite as simple as attending her first day under more ordinary circumstances. OTOOH, his persistence in the stupid, evil cult is what led to the awkwardness in the first place. Duh! GET OUT.
Good show sir
Bert Fields says that there's a video. Okay, let's see it. Otherwise, I wouldn't trust Bert Fields very far at all.
Scientologists and Nazis June 26, 1997, Bertram Fields, New York Review of Books
Just because he's a liar, you wouldn't trust him? Bigot.
My heart goes out to Suri, bless her.
Her father is a very egotistical man who puts work and Scientology first above all.
Tom Cruise needs
a cunt punt.
Tom Cruise And Scientology Lawyers Accuse In Touch Publisher Bauer of Nazi Ties
By Bobby Fischer, Celeb Dirty Laundry
Are Tom’s lawyers seriously accusing TABLOIDS of ‘bigotry’ against Scientology? Seriously?! Um, it’s not bigotry when you’re writing stories about a cult-like religion that are all TRUE, and backed up by former members of this religion itself. Also, this libel lawsuit had almost nothing to do with Scientology, instead focusing on Tom’s role as a father to Suri. So why are the lawyers even bringing up all this nonsensical bigotry crap? That has nothing to do with anything.Basically, they’re launching a smear campaign against Bauer, hoping it will turn the public against them. Unfortunately for them, everyone can see right through their tactics by now, especially after they’ve done it so many times. The fact that they’re accusing weekly tabloids of having some under-handed secret agenda to turn everyone into Scientology-hating racists is paranoia on the highest level, and it really showcases how desperate Tom has become to save his image. But once again, he miscalculated the public’s response and the ridiculousness of these smear tactics, and he’s made the situation that much worse for himself.
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And just when I thought this whole divorce thing had died down and the lulzteat was running dry, Cruise picks an itching scab and it's all fapping-to-the-tabloids time again! Brilliant!
Tom Cruise finally admits links to Scientology were factor in divorce
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Nick Allen Los Angeles – 09 November 2013
Tom Cruise has confirmed that Katie Holmes left him partly because she wanted to protect their daughter from Scientology, as he admitted he did not see Suri for 110 days after their divorce.
NOT Gay Scientologist Tom Cruise Trial Update: Ex-Wife Katie Holmes Scared Suri May Embrace Scientology, Says Lawsuit
By Jonathan Lambert, Classicalite
There has been a major update in the trial of Tom Cruise vs In Touch. The world’s most famous Scientologist isn’t suing over being called gay, like in the past. This time, however, it was revealed that his ex-wife, Katie Holmes, was scared that their daughter, Suri Cruise, would embrace the secretive religion.
Scientology may be the most litigious of any recognized religion, and that’s true of their biggest mouthpiece, Tom Cruise, as well.
This isn’t the first time that Tom has been involved with a major lawsuit. In fact, he has a whole section of his Wikipedia page devoted to litigation. The following passage, however, has to be among the most noteworthy:
“During Cruise's marriage to Nicole Kidman, the couple endured public speculation about their sex life and rumors that Cruise was gay. In 1998, he successfully sued the Daily Express, a British tabloid which alleged that his marriage to Kidman was a sham designed to cover up his homosexuality. In May 2001 he filed a lawsuit against gay porn actor Chad Slater. Slater had allegedly told the celebrity magazine Actustar that he had had an affair with Cruise. Cruise denied this, and in August 2001, Slater was ordered to pay $10 million to Cruise in damages after Slater declared he could not afford to defend himself against the suit and would therefore default. Cruise also sued Bold Magazine publisher Michael Davis, who alleged but never confirmed that he had video that would prove Cruise was gay. The suit was dropped in exchange for a public statement by Davis that the video was not of Cruise, and that Cruise was heterosexual.”
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Just because his surname is Bauer (Farmer) next Bobby Fischer (fisherman)
There was an interesting Editor's note appended to Fischer's piece. Check it out:
Pro-Nazi might be a stretch. Der Landser seems to be historical fiction involving WWII German soldiers, just without the ovens and the jews and the war crimes, which would complicate the "let's play soldiers" fiction fun of fiction soldiering. Plus some heartwarming stories of real WWII vets probably. At least that's my take on the article in the link.
meh meh meh
Tom Cruise is the first topic of discussion on Friday's episode of TMZ Live. They discuss him in the most damaging terms re: the lawsuit, including the private jet flight to the IAS gathering. Video is from 11/8/2013.
Free itunes podcast here: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/tmz-live/id418086839
And remember ( lol ) Harvey Levin is a lawyer.
8 devastating minutes on that TMZ Live video.
My favorite part, 7:20 Harvey Levin: "I cannot imagine Tom Cruise winning this lawsuit."
And this is just a leak of his deposition. This is not going to get any better for him.
Tom Cruise's Defamation Lawsuit: What Really Matters (Analysis)
A lawsuit over tabloid headlines is now attracting tabloid attention.
By Eriq Gardner, The Hollywood Reporter
Cruise is a public figure. As such, he has a high burden in proving defamation. One possibility is that he ably demonstrates Bauer Publishing had "actual malice" when publishing some false assertion about child abandonment. In the lawsuit, Cruise's attorneys have pointed to Bauer's history of "bigotry" as one potential motive for defaming the world's most famous Scientologist.
The plaintiff has pushed for as much information as he can get on this subject before discovery ends on Dec. 9 and in advance of a trial next June.
Predictably, with the clock ticking, Bauer has responded by saying the actor's requests have no relevancy and are only designed to harass, oppress and annoy the publisher. Thus, Bauer's lawyers say in Tuesday's legal papers:
"This libel action is about Tom Cruise’s repeated and extended absences from his daughter following his divorce from Katie Holmes. Recognizing that he has admitted as true the critical facts that informed the conclusions actually at issue in this action, Cruise attempts to divert attention to an irrelevant sideshow about a supposed 'corporate-wide [Bauer] culture of bigotry' driven by pro-Nazi/antisemitic/ anti-Scientology biases. By doing so Cruise trivializes the Holocaust as he attempts to draw entirely unfounded analogies between the most serious of historical events and current entertainment news coverage about his divorce that only briefly touches on his Scientology religion. It is an offensive conspiratorial endeavor that has nothing to do with this action or the Articles at issue."
Cruise might not need to show actual malice to win the lawsuit. It might be enough for him to show the tabloid magazine acted with "reckless disregard" to the truth. And so, the actor has pushed for information on another subject -- Bauer's foundation for asserting he abandoned Suri.
In more legal papers filed on Tuesday, Cruise's lawyers are explaining why they have submitted a motion to compel the defendants into admitting they had no sources for their magazine cover headlines.
In a defamation lawsuit, only assertions of facts are liable for defamation. Opinions can't be defamatory as a matter of law. In response to requests for source information, the media defendants have supposedly limited their responses to how they believe Suri was feeling abandoned, but Cruise's lawyers say that is not enough. From the actor's own legal papers filed on Tuesday:
"Defendants are certainly free to argue that their cover headlines are mere 'opinions' of how Suri was feeling in the wake of her parents’ divorce. Plaintiff is likewise entitled to demonstrate that any reasonable reader would interpret Defendants’ headlines as conveying a verifiable statement of fact about Plaintiff’s conduct. Indeed, Plaintiff has already submitted survey evidence to Defendants showing that a majority of readers in fact interpreted the headlines 'Abandoned By Daddy' and 'Abandoned By Her Dad' as conveying the message that Plaintiff cut Suri out of his life altogether and on a permanent basis – i.e., that he had severed his relationship with her and they no longer had any contact whatsoever. Conversely, less than 4% of readers understood the covers to communicate anything about Suri’s feelings."
Perhaps the fact that Cruise has done his own survey of tabloid magazine readers is a headline onto itself. Maybe the lesson is that nuance gets lost in the midst of reporting gossip. Somewhere here in all of this is the way that reporters traffic in celebrity tidbits and the way that readers digest the information. In a case now making headlines, a court will soon look at the responsibilities of the headline writers. That fact shouldn't be lost in the reporting of this case.
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Mark Wahlberg Loses His Shit on Tom Cruise: "How Fucking Dare You"
"For actors to sit there and talk about ‘Oh I went to SEAL training,’ and I slept on the — I don’t give a fuck what you did," Wahlberg exclaimed. "You don’t do what these guys did. For somebody to sit there and say my job was as difficult as somebody in the military’s. How fucking dare you. While you sit in a makeup chair for two hours."
"I don’t give a shit if you get your ass busted," the tirade continued. "You get to go home at the end of the day. You get to go to your hotel room. You get to order fucking chicken. Or your steak. Whatever the fuck it is."
It's not just veterans who should be incensed, it's Tom's supporting actors as well. I know a guy who was a lead zombie in a horror film. He spent 5-6 hours a day getting makeup that he had to wear for ten hours only to have his balls trod on by the clueless star who went off his mark in a grave-ripping scene. Except for that novel one-time fat suit and his specially tailored stunts, Tommy hasn't really worked the physical grunge that many character and stunt people do, and even they wouldn't compare themselves to veterans stationed overseas in a war zone.
Tom Cruise’s Scientologist Sister To Be Deposed In Libel Lawsuit | Radar Online
By Dylan Howard
The sister of Hollywood megastar Tom Cruise will be forced to answer questions about her brother’s parenting and split from ex-wife Katie Holmes as part of the bitter libel lawsuit against two magazines, RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned.
Lee Ann De Vette, a Scientologist and key member of the 51-year-old’s entourage who once acted as his publicist, has been slapped with a subpoena by Bauer Media in a move to compel her to sit for the interrogation, multiple sources have confirmed.
As Radar first revealed, De Vette was dragged into Cruise’s case against In Touch and Life & Style — who he is suing for $50 million over claims he abandoned his seven-year-old daughter Suri.
In emails uncovered in the discovery phase of the lawsuit, it emerged De Vette was acting as her brother’s pseudo-publicist in the wake of his marriage split by instructing some of Cruise’s loyal aides to respond to a report over her brother’s trip with Suri to Disney World in Florida.
“Thousands of people take their children to Disney World every year on vacation and stay in the same hotels, rude the same rides and do the same things Tom and Suri are doing,” De Vette crafted in response to one media enquiry, it was revealed.
“Tom is not trying to ‘outdo’ anyone. His only goal is to be the best father he can be.”
Ultimately, that statement never went public because another lieutenant of the Top Gun star advised that any response would be couched as Cruise “caring enough about it.”
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Things are getting more interesting each day.
she won't lie for the greater good *insert sarcasm*
Suri And Scientology – Katie’s Choice?
By Robert A. Epstein, Fox Rothschild LLP, November 14, 2013
News reports are spilling the details of his deposition testimony stemming from the defamation lawsuit. Apparently Tom acknowledged under oath that one of the assertions made by Katie in filing for divorce was to "protect" Suri from Scientology. While I could not say what their settlement agreement says about Suri and her religious upbringing, I can talk about the law in New Jersey on this issue. We have blogged on this issue in the past, but "Maverick" compelled me to write about it again. In New Jersey, the law generally provides that religious education/upbringing is a matter of joint legal custody (major decisions). However, the so-called "Parent of Primary Residence" (most commonly defined as the parent with more than 50% of the overnights) has final say in the event of a dispute. By contrast, the "Parent of Alternate Residence" is allowed to expose (not educate) the child to another religion.
Assuming that the parties do not agree in their settlement agreement as to the child's religious upbringing, the PPR could have final say in the event of a dispute. Thus, she could determine that the child should no longer be raised as in the PAR's religion. By contrast, the PAR could expose a child to his religion in what is ultimately a non-educational manner. I once represented a client who raised her son Catholic, but dad was bringing him to "classes" at his mosque. When mom objected, the court determined that the "classes" involved an educational component, rather than just game playing for the kids while the adults attended services. As a result, dad was prohibited from taking the son to such classes.
What is the takeaway here? As seen by Eliana Baer's most recent posts, religion can play a major part in a divorce matter. It can be especially sensitive when it involves the children. Each case will ultimately rest on its own facts to determine whether the decisions are being made in the best interests of the child.
http://www.mondaq.com/unitedstates/x/274864/divorce/Suri And Scientology Katies Choice
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Tom Cruise's sister Lee Ann De Vette 'to be deposed' in magazine legal battle | Mail Online
After the last disaster, letting her anywhere near Cruise's PR could be fun.
Mark Wahlberg Explains It All: "I Love Tom Cruise" | Contactmusic.com
Who knew that one sentence dropped by Tom Cruise could ignite such a fire? Well, most people probably knew, but it’s still a bit strange to see the reactions to his misconstrued comment (a publicist for Cruise claimed that the actor had in no way compared his job to those of servicemen and women in Afghanistan.) After the court documents were publicized, fellow actor Mark Wahlberg made a comment, which everyone interpreted as a slam directed at Cruise.
However, the “”Lone Survivor” star later commented for a TMZ cameraman that he didn’t make the comment with Cruise in mind.
“I didn’t know that it was Tom Cruise that said that,” Wahlberg commented in passing. “Somebody just mentioned that people were comparing that. I love Tom Cruise.”
He did make it clear, however, that he did not approve of the comparison, regardless of whether it was his fellow action star who made it.
“I have the utmost respect for Tom Cruise,” he continued. “But I have the utmost respect for military guys, it’s just unfair for anyone to comment on that.”
This will hopefully put an end to the public misunderstanding, which has absolutely nothing to do with Wahlberg promoting his upcoming military flick.
Dirtier too. It's going beyond the credible even for TC.
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