Tommy Gorman Assaulted at SF Org

Discussion in 'USA - West Coast' started by Anonymous, Dec 17, 2011.

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  1. skeptic2girl Member

    I doubt he's suing the cult. I think it's about taking the guy to court for assault.
  2. skeptic2girl Member

    okay -- with puppet account :(
  3. Smurf Member

    Yup. You don't want a new & unwanted BFF.
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  4. Miranda Member

    Obviously, be careful not to say anything that could be interpreted as a threat or harassment.
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  5. Django Member

    If only we knew someone inside the SF Org. Someone who's maybe easing himself out of Scn but hasn't quite found a way to do so yet, for whatever reason. Someone who's sympathetic to the cause, maybe even posted recently, right here on this august forum.

    tl;dr: ET, phone home....
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  6. Smurf Member

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  7. skeptic2girl Member

    When I was protesting in Washington DC, I was going down the street on the side of the org to try and engage some cult members. Radio Paul said, "Do me a favor. Don't wander too far away alone... when the cult members at this org punch people, it's been women every time."

    And they did punch an anon (not that day -- another time) - HubbardsTelescope - for writing "Fair Wages for Sea Org Workers" on the sidewalk, from DC Megraid,
    she tells the story, around 3:20. Sort of hard to hear, but she writes the same thing on the sidewalk, and says something like, "This is what got me punched...":

    I think you can do just be standing there and you're still in danger of being assaulted by the cult.
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  8. DeathHamster Member

    Isn't assault a criminal case prosecuted by the DA's office (or not)?

    With Scientology, there's always the difficult question of if they will sacrifice one of their expendable peons, or if they'll step in with a full lawyer and PI squad. That makes it tricky in civil cases because they don't mind outspending their enemies by a factor of ten or more, so long as they cost the other side a lot of money, time and sanity.

    tl;dr: A civil case could be a trap.
  9. TinyDancer Member

    Thanks. I could be wrong.
  10. skeptic2girl Member

    It does involve a DA.
  11. pooks Member

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  12. Anonymous Member

    TG's involvement with the cult led him to a very real and specific understanding of the aggression and potential violence that underpins Scientology.
    He knows it is bubbling under the surface. He knows it is one the things that can potentially get the cult in trouble. He's out there pushing buttons.

    Is it the high road? No.

    If the whole video sans Gorman backstory was shown to a hundred objective people AT LEAST 50% would not blame tomato head for getting stirred up.

    The greatest value of this kind of entertaining video is the morale boost and amusement w/in the protester community. that is important to maintain momentum.
  13. TinyDancer Member

    I just want to be clear that I don't have an issue with the post-assault swearing, and I don't think Tommy being obnoxious is any excuse for the assault. My questions were solely because i question his method of protesting. But, as I say, I could be wrong.
  14. Smurf Member

    Yes, and it is up to the DA to decide whether to file charges or not. There are many, many police reports of assault & battery that land on the DAs desk and they get dumped for 'lack of sufficient evidence" or they view the parties in the report as having equal negligence, thereby, having no expectation of winning the case if it went to trial. Tommy's solo protesting & aggressive style are negatives from a legal point of view. The perp need only claim his personal space was violated by a crazy guy yelling and taking pictures of him.

    It doesn't excuse him for assaulting Tommy, but taking everything into account (minus the obvious bias shared by those that protest the cult), the DA could see this as a wash and toss it out, telling Tommy he can sue the guy in civil court.

    Also keep in mind, effective January 1, 2012, state budgetary cutbacks take effect.. $14.6 million was taken from DA's in the state to prosecute crimes...translation.. the DAs will be pressed to go forward in prosecuting cases with substance.. where physical injuries were incurred & documented... simple cases of assault, like that with Tommy, probably won't.
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  15. Anonymous Member

    They raped his wife. He's entitled to protest their stupid little sect.

    Lucky that's all he's doing.

    Fat purple headed prick ran away like a coward anyway.
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  16. skeptic2girl Member

    Oh -- I actually meant this not so much as a rebuttal to YOUR post in particular, but sort of a, "Okay, so Tommy Gorman is doing one thing -- look how even a fairly passive protest can lead to assault."

    Sort of using this thread as a way to show that this assault isn't a unique happening and indeed, the question of provocation doesn't even have to come up.
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  17. telomere Member

    Something like that.

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  18. telomere Member

    Especially anything they could try to PIN on Tommy.
  19. subgenius Member

    IMHO, the issue is being assaulted by a cultist while engaged in lawful, indeed constitutionally protected action.
    Not Tommy's style. See thread title.
    That guy attacked viciously without provocation. He came straight out of the org ready to do harm.
    Want to discuss his style start a new thread.
    Its been discussed before. Its a distraction from what happened in this instance.
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  20. telomere Member

    By the way, it's Hubbard-Telescope.
    300px-HST-SM4.jpeg + oldhubb.jpg

    HT ≠ LRH's
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  21. Miranda Member

    Moved derail about Herro and Christmas. It's in the dome for all who are interested.
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  22. Xenu Is Lord Member

    I got a new fun tool to Luz the cult fuck ups with. Enjoy and please use!
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  23. Anonymous Member

    Needs more Moxie
  24. incog712 Member

    It's quite clear that Mr. Tomatohead's personal space wasn't being violated. He charged out of the org with a clear intention of asaulting TommyGormanTommyGorman. Personally, I don't see any advantage in having this guy prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law. His cult is already going to throw him under the bus, that's good enough for me in terms of recompense for this particular incident. Still, the guy's clearly a loose cannon with severe anger management issues. Auditing isn't ever going to make that go away. He needs a genuine psychiatric evaluation, for his own safety as well that of anyone he's likely to encounter down the road. As a scientologist, the only way he's ever going to get that would be through prosecution. The DA's involvement in this assault could turn out to be the best thing ever to happen to him.
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  25. DeathHamster Member

    In the Toronto OG days, being in a parking lot a block away from the org was enough. Our very existence is a threat to the Scilon homeworld that lives inside their heads.
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  26. Anonymous Member

    My own tinfoil on this is that they had a look at PC folders for an angry clam and aimed that reag at Tommy.
  27. kissyfur Member

    Violent Disregard

    ... am i way too late???
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  28. Xenu Is Lord Member

    I worked so hard on that!
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  29. skeptic2girl Member

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  30. Anonymous Member

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  31. xenubarb Member

    Hey, remember Clambob Fudgepants?
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  32. Confront is back, how upstat and theta can one LRH processed 'parishioner' be?

    Always Attack, Never Defend,........ so.......on source......... :)
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  33. Anonymous Member

    Purpleface should get his blood pressure checked, stat!
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  34. amaX Member

    Incidents like this always make me wonder what goes on behind closed doors if this is how they behave in public.
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  35. Anonymous Member

    Right, just because they raped your wife, covered it up, ruined both their heads with cult mindwarp, doesn't mean you should use the naughty words. After all, it's not about being compassionate toward exes, it's about getting more out. Brb, migraine.
  36. Anonymous Member

    Not as hard as Stacy.
  37. MOOG Member

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  38. DeathHamster Member

    Yep, always have at least one more video camera than they know about or can deal with.

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  39. Anonymous Member

    I can see a conviction and TRO over this!
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  40. Anonymous Member

    I am a bit late to this party, but, with all due respect my very dear friend, I think in many ways they are slaves, at least according to Merriam-Webster:

    Definition #2 in the above link pretty much sums up what I've been hearing about this cult from exes, indies, OG, etc. for almost four years: a scientologist is often "one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence" (direct definition quote from the dictionary). It's about the brainwashing. I am not speaking for tommygormantommygorman, but I tend to think many of them are, indeed, "slaves", (at least when using that meaning of the word).

    We talk about, and claim to abhor, the human trafficking that the cult engages in. That is a form of slavery. Being held on an asbestos-filled ship for years, unable to leave at will, is a form of slavery. Confiscated passports and constant "handlers" indicates a sort of slavery, as does hard labor and child labor.

    Just my two cents is all.
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