Tony Ortega: How to make the IRS re-examine Scientology’s tax exempt status

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    Stadium of Scientologists Collectively Orgasm (tax free!)

    Published by AngryGayPope on May 18, 2015

    The brief moment in a three hour event when Scientology found religion and the entire audience found its G-spot, even the men!

    Great Leader David Miscavige waited ninety minutes to tell them. He was no premature orator. And when they found out that the IRS had forgiven their 1-billion-dollar tax debt and declared them a tax exempt entity, well, they collectively orgasmed. I would! But not for as long. My prostate would get sore, much like the hands of the people who had to clap and clap for the great leader. Like trained seals they were.

    Many have compared this videotape to Leni Riefenstahl's Nazi propaganda celluloid film "Triumph of the Will."
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    Ok ew. No one needs that mental picture. Is AGP an ex? He writes like he studied at Delphi.
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    Wake Up The Government | Mike Rinder

    Letters from CONSTITUENTS are treated seriously by elected officials. The more US Congressmen there are who have been made aware of the issue, the greater the chance of something being done. The IRS is answerable to Congress. Sooner or later this is going to become an issue that one or more politicians will feel they can gain popularity with. When that day happens, the more there are to jump on the bandwagon the better.

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    Today Forbes published a similar article by the same author:

    Should America Tax Churches? | Forbes


    The IRS generally considers all facts and circumstances in assessing whether an organization qualifies. It is part of the tax basics for exempt organizations. But unlike other exempt organizations, a church does not even need to apply for tax exemption. The church can just operate that way and essentially operate that way without the IRS’s explicit blessing. Most churches do as the IRS for exemption, but they are not actually required to.

    This may be part of the proof that for a tax-exempt organization, church status is truly the gold standard. And that is one reason the Church of Scientology fought against the IRS for so long. After many years of sparring with the IRS over whether Scientology was a church, there were numerous lawsuits and eventually the IRS ruled that Scientology was a church. But not everyone was happy. The New York Times claimed that the IRS reversed 30 years of precedent to grant Scientology Section 501(c)(3) status.
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  6. Random guy Member

    Property-taxes would hurt the cult badly. Captain Miscavige will swat blood if he woke up one day and saw the US turn his glorious Ideal Morgue strategy against him!
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    Here's the third article by Robert Wood to be added to this thread:

    Doctor Appeals Tax Evasion Conviction Over Alleged Fake Church | Forbes

    Here are the last two paragraphs:

    The IRS considers all facts and circumstances in assessing whether an organization qualifies. But unlike other exempt organizations that must get an IRS determination letter, a church need not actually apply for tax exemption. Sometimes there is controversy, as there was over Scientology. In 1993, the IRS ruled that Scientology was a church.

    The New York Times claimed that the IRS reversed 30 years of precedent to grant Scientology its Section 501(c)(3) status. Recently, some people say the IRS should reconsider Scientology’s tax-exempt status. The film Going Clear, from HBO and director Alex Gibney fueled those comments. Scientology maintains that the Going Clear movie is false and that the IRS “recognized Scientology as a tax-exempt religious and charitable organization because it provided substantive proof on the merits, following a two-year examination, that it was entitled to that recognition.”

    Also, this thread is related:

    John Oliver Starts "Our Lady Of Perpetual Exemption" Church
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  8. Ogsonofgroo Member

    I wish to fuck these so-called journalists would do some research first, as far as I have read the IRS granted Hubbard's confabulation 'tax-exempt charity' status as they were fucking tired of all the litigation going on, sad that they capitulated to cult's ploys.
    Ever since then cult has used this to twist it into looking like the IRS legitimized their little nest of vampires as a 'religion/church', claims often made over the years, but seriously flawed imho., no accountability is what it has ended up being, sort of a weird license to pillage-at-will, one of cult's and DM's great victories in the world of Wogs.
    Hubbard's minions have accumulated hundreds of millions, all nicely squirreled away for a rainy day (lololol), scamming their sheeples, and not one fuck is given, they're about as charitable as gravel.

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  9. This is Ginger, Tony O didn't rip off anything from me( that's a lie ) he is an incredible Journalist who constantly exposes horrible abuses of this Cult . He spends tireless hours on Exposing $cientology to the public.

  10. This is Ginger, Tony O didn't rip off anything from me( that's a lie ) he is an incredible Journalist who constantly exposes the horrible abuses of this Cult . He spends tireless hours on Exposing $cientology to the public. Some people on the other hand I have seen take credit for something they didn't do, its a shame as there is enough abuses etc to go around with this Cult, plenty. Who ever posted this is trying to stir up trouble for Tony Ortega.
  11. Welcome to half a year ago. LOL!
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    Would you buy a used car from this man? Scientology and refunds — a primer

    By Tony Ortega, The Underground Bunker, October 19, 2015

    We always enjoy Jeffrey Augustine’s explorations of Scientology’s own internal rules and documents in order to explain how it really works. In this case, he exposes how Scientology is violating the promises it made the IRS regarding refund requests by its members. And if that’s the case, it should put Scientology’s tax exempt status into question. The best part? Former members who have been locked out of refunds may be in the best position to get the IRS to act. We’ll let Jeff explain.

    In its third series of responses to the IRS in support of its application for tax exemption, the Church of Scientology complained in 1992 that it was misunderstood and not being treated fairly. In the paragraph below, the Church says that giving refunds, for example, may appear to seem “commercial,” but they are an important part of getting feedback from members.


    In order to get that repayment from the Claims Verification Board, you would first need to fill out a CVB routing form, which is fairly daunting in its complexity and number of steps, including personal meetings with various church officials to get their signature on the form. Each of them, we hear from people who have been through it, will do their best to talk you out of continuing with the quest.

    Some of those officials will insist that you get sec checking (Scientology interrogations) or other auditing procedures in order to “handle” the upset that has caused the request for a refund to begin with. Those cycles can easily eat up $25,000 to $50,000 of the “money on account.”

    And what happens to those who ask for repayment if they’ve been “declared” a “Suppressive Person?” Once a Scientologist has been declared an SP, they are not allowed to step foot onto Church premises to complete the CVB routing form.

    In recent years, Scientology has spelled out this Catch-22 in the letters it sends out. We’ve seen numerous examples, like the following, where it’s spelled out pretty clearly — in order to get a refund, you need to fill out a CVB form, but since you’re an “SP,” you can’t come into an org and get one.


    And not only is Scientology taking in money with no intention of delivering anything if someone asks for a refund, it lied to the IRS in 1992 and said that its refund process was “exceedingly fair.”

    In the leaked Final Closing Agreement between the IRS and the Church of Scientology, the IRS stated that the Church’s tax exemption could be re-examined in the event of “fraud, malfeasance, or misrepresentation of material fact.”

    If you’re asking for a refund or repayment from Scientology and you’re running into this Catch-22, according to the rules of the IRS, the agency wants to hear from you. (We previously explained how to file a personal complaint with the IRS over Scientology’s actions.)

    Finally, one important fact to know: Scientology leader David Miscavige’s attorney Monique Yingling is a Church of Spiritual Technology (CST) Special Director. As a CST Special Director, Yingling’s “prime directive” as a tax attorney is to ensure that the Church of Scientology International (CSI) does not act in any way whatsoever to risk its tax exemption.

    Arguably the chief architect of Scientology’s tax exemption, Yingling wrote, or caused to be written, most of the application to the IRS in support of the Church’s bid for tax exemption. Yingling knows there is a contradiction between what the Church represented to the IRS in 1992 and what it is now practicing.

    Therefore, Scientologists seeking repayments would do well to write to Monique Yingling in her capacity as a CST Special Director to express your concerns that CSI is risking its tax exemption by refusing repayments. David Miscavige should be copied as well as he licenses Scientology’s technology to CSI. The addresses:

    Church of Spiritual Technology
    Attn: Special Director Monique Yingling
    419 Larchmont, No. 162
    Los Angeles, CA 90004

    Religious Technology Center International
    Attn: COB RTC David Miscavige
    1710 Ivar Avenuem, Suite 1100
    Los Angeles, CA 90028

    — Jeffrey Augustine

    There's more here, with open comments:
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    Classic "too good to be true".
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    Petition · United States Supreme Court: Revoke Scientology’s Tax-Exempt Status |


    The Church of Scientology is using its tax-exempt wealth to willfully and maliciously infringe upon the human rights of members, apostates and critics, by actively engaging in harmful physical and psychological abuse, and harassment. Our organization, Human Rights for Atheists, Agnostics and Secularists, calls upon host governments to revoke Scientology’s tax-exempt status and hold it legally accountable for the harm it is doing to its victims both within the Church and those who have left the church and wish to tell their stories without being slandered, smeared, molested and harassed.

    By signing this petition, you are sending a clear message to the Church of Scientology, that human rights are fundamentally more important than human beliefs, and that wealthy organizations, religious or otherwise, should not be allowed to accrue vast troves of tax-exempt wealth and use that wealth to actively engage in institutionalized misconduct that egregiously infringes upon the human rights of citizens living in secular democracies. We must unite in support of the victims of Scientology and employ countermeasures to suppress this suppressive cult.

    On behalf of the victims of the Church of Scientology, please sign and share this important petition.
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    Waste of time petitioning the SCOTUS on this. They already decided $cientology was not entitled to a tax exemption back in 1989 in the Hernandez v. Commisioners case: The IRS ignored this decision in granting tax exemption to $cientology in 1993.

    The only way that decision gets reversed is if the IRS decides to reverse it, or a court, after hearing a case, directs the IRS to revoke it. No Federal court, including SCOTUS, is going to pay attention to an on-line petition or do anything without a trial.

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    I had a more depressing thought.

    After there was some discussion about that little red spot of Trump supporters in Hollywood where Big Blue is located, Trump said he was going to get rid of the prohibition against political involvement for religious groups. "No longer will people of faith fear losing their tax exempt status for expressing their political views blah blah blah."

    I imagined Trump was throwing a bone to the Scientologists because they love him more than everyone else in Hollywood. I home I am wrong.
  19. More likely throwing a bone at the hundreds of millions of persecuted Christians in this country (many of them victims of the Bowling Green genocide).
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    You tell us: What’s the current condition of the Church of Scientology?

    By Tony Ortega, April 8, 2017


    For this Saturday morning, we’re going to take things easy and let you do the work.

    We’d like to get your thoughts on a question that’s come up a few times lately. It’s a question that comes up on occasion, and perhaps it’s getting talked about more now because of David Miscavige’s apocalyptic recent moves in Clearwater.

    That question we’re talking about: Is the Church of Scientology imploding or isn’t it?

    We were very interested to see how this question was handled at Mike Rinder’s blog a week ago. Rinder had printed another essay from “Terra Cognita” in which the writer made the point that the church was here to stay, whatever critics think of it. Terra was skeptical that the church would ever be dismantled, even if Miscavige were out of the picture.

    “Scientology has banked so much cash and amassed so much real estate that taking apart the organization would be a Herculean task, if not impossible. Undoing Scientology would be akin to dismantling General Motors or the Catholic Church. The court battles alone could take decades.”

    But Rinder disagreed, and added an interesting counterpoint to the end of the piece.

    The IRS can administratively change their determination that Scientology does not satisfy its criteria for religious organization exemption. To do so would make the future revenue stream dry up, but it would also change the perception of courts that Scientology must be afforded 1st Amendment protection to hide their immoral and fraudulent practices.

    The church lives in the US, the most litigious society on earth. It has a lot of money. There are a lot of lawyers. Should the IRS change their view, it would become a feeding frenzy to tear flesh off that beast. Even if the IRS doesn’t change their view, there are still a lot of lawyers and $3 billion reasons why they would be interested. It will happen sooner or later. As the PR climate changes, it becomes a more and more attractive target. Once that dam bursts, the end will surely be nigh.

    We tend to be sympathetic to that view, that the church’s fortunes are getting rather precarious. But over at Facebook, the feisty Anon who calls herself Heidi Macavoy, citing David Miscavige’s offer of $15 million for a $4.5 million parcel of land, harshly criticized the idea that the church was on the ropes, and said it was foolish to say so.

    She certainly has a point. Time and again, the Church of Scientology has survived what would have proved catastrophic for another group. Eleven of its top executives went to prison after a 1977 FBI raid turned up voluminous evidence of Scientology’s subterfuge and spying, but the church survived it. In our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, we pointed out that Paulette Cooper, in a newsletter she was mailing around in the late 1970s, felt sure that the church was about to collapse.

    It’s good to keep that in mind.

    When it comes down to it, we really don’t know what’s going to happen — and that’s part of what keeps us reporting, day after day.

    So tell us, how do you see things going? Is the church imploding? Or does it have the cash to weather any storm, even if it continues to lose membership?

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  22. Quentinanon Member

    Scientology is essentially a cult of personality. Without sufficient credibility in Hubbard, the organization and its various spin-off groups that tout his belief system would cease to exist. The organization itself could go broke, but as long as you have enough true believers to keep the ship of fools afloat, it will not cease operations. That situation has occurred several times in the organizations history and it will probably happen again.
    Look at it, L. Ron doesn't have to be alive for the movement to continue. All you need is a street thug/actor to rule the main organization and a few self-absorbed dupes to run spin-off groups.
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    Sensibly Speaking Podcast #97: Scientology and the Law | Chris Shelton

    This week, lawyer Scott Pilutik and I discuss the Church of Scientology in the legal arena, taking up various questions and points that people have asked us about Scientology in court.
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    I think the cult will eventually be it's own demise.
    Billions or not, you can't stop foot bulllets or their sheer stupidity. Or the fact that it is being run by DM who continues to bring it down all by his little self by insisting on doing things that not only brings more attention to their litigious and bullying tactics, but also by their continued efforts to silence and discredit former members and critics publicly. Carry on COS!
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    Jeffrey Augustine takes aim at the IRS commissioner

    By Tony Ortega, August 18, 2017

    We recently learned from contributor Jeffrey Augustine that some changes in the law have made it a little harder for the IRS to launch an investigation into a church’s tax-exempt status. As a result, pressure will need to be brought on the IRS commissioner himself to launch an investigation, and that will take considerable effort.

    In order to help that process along, Jeffrey has launched an online petition.

    We Demand the IRS Commissioner Begin an Investigation into Scientology's Tax Exempt Status


    IRS Commissioner John Koskinen has the legal authority to open an investigation into the Church of Scientology's 501(c)3 tax exemption. We demand Scientology's tax exemption be investigated for the following reasons:

    1. Scientology's lack of corporate governance as it represented to the IRS in its 1023 application for tax exemption. David Miscavige is the managing agent of Scientology and has pierced all corporate veils.

    2. Scientology's refusal to grant refunds or repayments to dissatisfied members as it represented to the IRS in its 1023 application for tax exemption.

    3. Scientology use of tax-exempt dollars to engage in harassing former members, critics, and journalists. One example is the use of tax-exempt dollars to create slanderous hate websites and videos against former members, critics, and journalists who speak out and expose Scientology's inhumane practices.

    4. Scientology's internal cover-ups of child sexual abuse and rape as described by the victims of the sexual abuse and rape.

    5. Scientology use of tax-exempt dollars to hire private investigators to spy on, stalk, and harass former members, critics, and journalists who speak out and expose Scientology's inhumane practices. This is Scientology's malicious policy of Fair Game and it is funded by tax-exempt dollars.

    6. Scientology's abuse of US religious worker visas to recruit non-US citizens to work in the Sea Org. Once in the US, these non-Americans have their passports confiscated and are forced to work 100 hour work weeks for wages far below the poverty level. Sometimes these workers receive no pay at all for weeks or months on end.

    7. Scientology's use of onerous contracts of adhesion to strip Scientologists of their legal and civil rights.

    8. Scientology's use of child labor.

    9. Scientology's predatory fundraising practices and use of commission salespeople to raise money.

    10. Scientology's use of a system of brutal and inhumane gulags known as the RPF (Rehabilitation Project Force). The RPF is a thought reform camp used to crush dissent. People in the RPF are often imprisoned for years and are stripped of their civil and legal rights.

    11. The forced breaking up of families by Scientology's inhumane practice of Disconnection.
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    Sensibly Speaking Podcast #104: Scientology Tax Exemption ft. Jeffrey Augustine | Chris Shelton

    This week we have two podcasts, with this special bonus episode with Jeffrey Augustine on Scientology's tax exempt status and what we can do to call directly on the IRS to end it.
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    Jeffrey Augustine's petition now has more than 12,600 signatures.
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    Tony Ortega‏ @TonyOrtega94 3 minutes ago
    Treasury Sec Mnuchin could order investigation of #Scientology IRS agreement. So Trump opinion of it is pretty huge. @yashar with the sweet scoop.

    Trump Thinks Scientology Should Have Tax Exemption Revoked, Longtime Aide Says

    Lynne Patton told an actress the Trump family “couldn’t agree more” that the church shouldn’t be exempt.

    By Yashar Ali, HuffPost


    President Donald Trump believes the Church of Scientology should have its tax exemption revoked, a longtime family aide and current top official at the Department of Housing and Urban Development told an actress and producer in May.

    In an unsolicited Twitter message, Lynne Patton, who has worked for the Trump family since 2009, told actress Leah Remini of Trump’s position and said she would interface with the IRS directly to seek more information in an effort to initiate revocation. Remini sent HuffPost copies of Patton’s messages and has declined to comment further.

    It’s not clear if Patton ever communicated with the IRS. But if Trump did express an opinion on the church and Patton did contact the IRS about it, as her message suggests, that would be a highly inappropriate level of interference with the IRS by the administration, one expert said.

    “For the White House or any administration official to try and influence who the IRS targets, for whatever reason, is wrong and could result in a violation of the law,” said Larry Noble, the former general counsel of the Federal Election Commission who is now a senior director of ethics and general counsel at the Campaign Legal Center. “The IRS must make these decisions independently without any influence by the White House or administration officials.”

    The White House and HUD did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    ‘This Is Going To Get Done In The Next 4 Years’

    Remini is a successful television actress who starred on the CBS hit sitcom “King of Queens” for nine years. She is also a former longtime member of the Church of Scientology. Since she left the church in 2013, she has dedicated most of her time to exposing abuses she and other members have faced. In 2016, A&E aired a docu-series about the church that Remini starred in and produced, called “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath.” In it, Remini, along with a former top church official Mike Rinder, uses interviews and documentary evidence to try to document abuses perpetrated by church leadership. The first season of the docu-series won an Emmy Award, and the second season is currently airing.

    In late May 2017, Patton tweeted at Remini and asked her to direct message her. Remini followed up on May 30 and said in a direct message, “Hi Lynne would love any help you can give.”

    Patton responded on the same day and said:

    “From The moment I saw your series I told President Trump & his family we needed to revoke their tax exempt status. They couldn’t agree more, but please don’t publicize that yet. I want to do more due diligence on what the IRS has attempted in the past (or maybe you can enlighten me), then I’ll identify who we need to connect with again.”

    On May 31, Patton responded to an email Remini sent the day before thanking Patton for her offer of help. Patton said:

    “I look forward to doing my part to help put an end to this ongoing nightmare and blatant misuse of our IRS rules & regulations. … I want to do more research on Scientology’s history with the IRS, to date, so that I can better understand what tactics have been applied and where we can pick up. Would you have any of this information handy? If not, I will obtain it from the agency directly, Kindly advise!”

    If the White House or administration officials did contact the IRS about the church, IRS employees are required to document it and report it to the Office of the Inspector General. HuffPost sent an email to the office inquiring about any contacts Patton may have had with IRS officials, but has not received a response. The Church of Scientology did not respond to a request for comment.

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    Yashar Ali ‏@yashar 6 minutes ago
    Tomorrow, part two: The Scientologist Who Has Infiltrated Trump World...the Church of Scientology couldn't be happier...for decades they have infiltrated government institutions but in the past decade they've lost, they've got someone in the right place.
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    If Trump is serious, he has a clear path to go at Scientology — through his Treasury Secretary

    By Tony Ortega, November 9, 2017


    Does Donald Trump really want to end Scientology’s tax exempt status? That’s the provocative notion that Yashar Ali floated Thursday at the Huffington Post, but Yashar included a lot of caveats about whether there was any truth to the idea, or whether a president even has the influence to make such a decision.

    The suggestion that Trump wants Scientology’s exemption reviewed came from a longtime Trump aide, Lynne Patton, who in May reached out to actress Leah Remini on Twitter. In a private message, Patton said, “From the moment I saw your series, I told President Trump & his family that we needed to revoke their tax exempt status. They couldn’t agree more.”

    In August, when Remini’s second season of her A&E series, Scientology and the Aftermath, was about to start, we teamed up with Jeffrey Augustine to explain why Remini’s stated aim of getting federal action about Scientology’s tax status was a tougher goal than it might have been in years past. The reason? A change in the law in 1998 reduced the number of federal employees who rank high enough to initiate such an investigation.

    As we explained with the help of Jeffrey, the number of people who can make that decision today is down to three. One of them is the IRS commissioner himself, and Thursday just happened to be 78-year-old John Koskinen’s final day of his term. The president announced last month that the Treasury Department’s assistant secretary for tax policy, a man named David Kautter, will assume the role of acting commissioner until a permanent hire can be made. According to case law, the second person who can initiate an investigation is the Commissioner of Tax Exempt and Government Entities, a woman named Sunita Lough. Neither of those people, however, answers directly to the president, and it would be improper for Trump to try and influence them to start a church probe.

    The third person, however, is another matter. An IRS investigation of the Church of Scientology’s special 1993 agreement can be initiated by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who works directly for the president.

    Yashar quoted former Federal Election Commission general counsel Larry Noble, who said that it would be wrong for the Trump administration to “try and influence who the IRS targets.”

    “I disagree with Noble. True, it’s unusual, but unlike many other Trump interactions with his agencies, where he’s exploiting or ignoring his own conflict of interest, there’s no conflict here. Whether Scientology is organized for a proper tax exempt purpose doesn’t implicate any conflict and indeed is something the President should weigh in on,” says Scott Pilutik, an attorney who has studied the IRS and Scientology for many years.

    It’s crystal clear from the law that Secretary Mnuchin has the power to initiate an investigation of Scientology’s exempt status, even if such a probe would then be handled by IRS agents who would be independent of the White House.

    Of course, Scientology’s lawyers would immediately screech that Patton’s utterance was an indication of Trump being unfair, but let them. No matter how an inquiry into Scientology is initiated, Scientology will attack it with its usual scorched-earth tactics anyway.

    So the question is, was Patton being truthful?

    As Yashar indicated, Remini hasn’t heard from Patton since June. But in more recent days, Patton’s Twitter feed has included some praise for Scientology’s most unlikely new celebrity and someone we’ve kept an eye on for years, Princess Joy Villa.

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    Yashar Ali ‏ @yashar 9 minutes ago
    Heard from the Church about my story. Instead of addressing the major allegations in my story, this the only thing they wanted me to add to the story. I won't add it.
    “Leah Remini profits by spreading false stories, hate and religious intolerance and it is shameful.”
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    Trump reportedly supports revoking Church of Scientology's tax-exempt status | Fox News

    Trump thinks Scientology should lose its tax-exempt status | TheHill

    Trump Reportedly Wants This Major Tax Change — Scientologists Won't Be Happy |Independent Journal Review

    Trump Wants Church Of Scientology To Lose Tax Exemption Status | International Business Times

    Donald Trump thinks Scientology should have tax exemption revoked | Metro News

    Trump Questioning Scientology's Tax-Free Religious Status Emerges Before New IRS Appointment | Newsweek

    Donald Trump Aide Contacted Leah Remini About Revoking Scientology's Tax Exempt Status | Perez Hilton

    Trump Wants Scientology Tax-Exempt Status Revoked, Says Longtime Aide | Uproxx

    Trump, Scientology and the IRS: Yes, let the tax stripping begin | Washington Times
  35. Quentinanon Member

    For once I agree with Donald Trump on something.
    He never has been a fan of the scientology crime syndicate.
    I wonder what scienazi wench Joy Villa has to say about that.
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    IRS And Scientology - Everything You Want To Know And More

    By Peter J Reilly, Forbes, November 12, 2017


    It is in the news that President Trump would like the IRS to go after Scientology. I've done my best to trace back the reports and as far as I can tell the core story originates with Yashar Ali on Huffpost. The essence is that actress Leah Remini, who is a something of an anti-Scientology activist, was told by Lynne Patton, a Trump family retainer, who now heads Region II (which includes NYC) of HUD, that she (Patton) intended to contact the IRS about revoking Scientology's tax-exempt status.


    Scott Pilutik Thinks I Am Wrong

    The long struggle between Scientology and the IRS was put to rest with a 1993 secret agreement, that was later leaked. The IRS refused to confirm the the leaked document, but there is little doubt about its authenticity. I thought the agreement was pretty benign, but Scott Pilutnik thinks I got it wrong. I find it ironic that the agreement is similar in length to the Treaty of Westphalia.

    IRS Scientology "Thirty Years War" - Village Voice Legal Expert Argues "Treaty" Is Unconstitutional


    A Knife To A Gun Fight

    I may have become a broken record in restating my argument that the IRS is the wrong organization to take on Scientology.
    That's How They Got Al Capone But Scientology Maybe Not

    I followed up on this thought in 2015 when John Oliver was going after televangelists.
    Sending IRS Against Phony Churches Is Bringing A Knife To A Gun Fight


    The Moral Of The Story

    My difference with those who want the IRS to go after Scientology has nothing to do with a disagreement about Scientology. I am agnostic on that. It is about what the proper function of the IRS is. I think it is there to enforce a complicated tax law, that currently contemplated so called reforms will make more complicated and collect trillions of dollars. People who want it to incidentally regulate the charitable sector are being silly.

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    In the world of religious tax exemptions, does Scientology measure up?

    By James Kirchick, Los Angeles Times, November 16, 2017

    First paragraph:

    In addition to being megalomaniac leaders of cult-like movements, the late L. Ron Hubbard and Donald Trump have shared an aversion to paying taxes. The founder of Scientology waged a ruthless battle to win a religious tax exemption from the Internal Revenue Service, while the president has boasted about his tax avoidance and refuses to release his returns. How ironic, then, that, according to a recent news report, the Trump administration may revoke Scientology’s exemption.

    Last paragraph:

    Like big tobacco, Scientology is peddling a dangerous product hazardous to public health. It should be taxed as such.

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