Toronto org in stasis

Discussion in 'Canada' started by DeathHamster, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Random guy Member

  2. DeathHamster Member

    Do you know that, or is that a (pretty good) assumption?

    Meanwhile, I wonder how they're doing on the back-taxes for the Yonge St mORGue? It's been a year since the Toronto Star article.
  3. TorontosRoot Member

    It's based on an assumption, which may or may not be true. Maybe lack of people traffic? Still, they locked themselves out of it. *whoosh*
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  4. DeathHamster Member

    77 Peter St on Wednesday -- nice and clean!

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  5. TorontosRoot Member

    Free of scientology's leftovers too.
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  6. Is the Toronto Scientology Org. still 'hiring' due to the explosive expansion?

    ''They are on the move.............''
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    10 March 2017
    Toronto Star
    1 Yonge Street
    Toronto, ON
    Dear Sir:
    This letter is to express my disgust at the bigoted, snark-laden portrayal of the Church of Scientology in Rosie DiManno’s column published yesterday on the website of the Toronto Star and affiliated publications.
    DiManno’s treatment of this worldwide religion goes out of its way to encourage hatred against a Church and its parishioners at a time when religious threats and violence—including those targeting the Church of Scientology—are growing at an alarming rate.
    Virtually every line of her description of Scientology contains snide, bigoted remarks that show she can’t move beyond her personal bias and ignorance of our faith. Rather than approach the subject with respect, Ms. DiManno appears to have spent her entire time thinking up as many clever-sounding insults as she could squeeze into her column. She especially seems miffed that her “interloper” (which appears to be Ms. DiManno herself) was prevented from barging into one of our buildings unannounced. We have no doubt that that someone attempting to storm into the Star newsroom without advance warning would meet the same fate, especially in this era of heightened security concerns by institutions worldwide.
    Let’s be clear, Scientology is the religion of millions of people all over the world. But more than that, much smarter people than Ms. DiManno in countries throughout the world have concluded that Scientology is a bona fide, legally recognized religion, even if it is not theirs. This includes Supreme and High Courts around the world. All subjected Scientology to a careful, rigorous and thoughtful review before making those decisions. Had Ms. DiManno bothered to do one scintilla of honest research she would have located the numerous trusted legal and scholarly findings that would have led her to more objective conclusions.
    The Church and its members work hard to create a better society for everyone, regardless of their religion, belief, ethnicity or origin. Our continuing efforts in drug prevention, drug rehabilitation, literacy, criminal reform, morality, human rights, disaster relief and interfaith cooperation are, in fact, legendary. Scientologists are devoted to helping others, and no doubt engage in far more community betterment projects than the average individual.
    In Clearwater, where Florida State University estimates the Church has an economic impact of nearly $1 billion, we have a long track record of being good citizens and making positive contributions to the community. We remain committed to partnering with the city and its residents to help make Clearwater the world-class 21St-century city it deserves to be.
    As a new religion, just 63 years old, we are too often subjected to prejudiced and ill-informed pieces such as the Star published in your paper. Scientology parishioners dedicated to helping others do not deserve such treatment. I strongly doubt you would publish similar inflammatory vitriol about Catholics, Muslims, Protestants, Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists or members of the Jewish faith.
    The incendiary hatred expressed by your columnist is inappropriate and irresponsible in today’s volatile world. Respect for another’s religious beliefs should be the order of the day, not venom and vile. Bigotry of this or any other kind has no place in our society.
    Pat Felske
    Toronto, Canada
    Ontario Regional Director STAND
    and Public Affairs Director, Church of Scientology Toronto
  8. TorontosRoot Member

    Hahaha they are sooooo pathetic. Nobody even visits that website outside of cult members.
  9. TorontosRoot Member

  10. The Wrong Guy Member

    London, Ontario is less than 120 miles southwest of Toronto.

    Ribfest: Scientologists are offering ‘stress tests’ with the support of the annual Victoria Park festival’s organizers

    By Charlie Pinkerton, The London Free Press, August 7, 2017


    The official presence of Scientologists at Ribfest this weekend adds a new chapter to London’s history with the controversial organization.

    “We don’t discriminate because we don’t agree with you,” Ruby Hillier, a Ribfest organizer, said of giving the California-based group a booth in Victoria Park.

    “As long as you’re not doing anything illegal it’s fine, we don’t exclude you.”

    Representatives of Scientology were offering E-meter tests, a well-known part of the group that sci-fi writer L. Ron Hubbard founded in 1954 – and a focus of criticism, even ridicule, from critics worldwide.

    Perhaps lost on Hillier, and maybe even the Scientologists themselves, is that the weekend festival was mere blocks from where Scientology’s most famous dissident, London-raised Oscar winner Paul Haggis, was first grabbed by its teachings in 1975.

    A young Haggis was walking to a downtown record store when a man stopped him at the corner of Dundas and Waterloo streets, he told U.S. journalist Lawrence Wright, who highlighted the filmmaker’s dissent in his book and documentary Going Clear.

    “You have a mind. This is the owner’s manual,” Haggis recalled the man telling him as he handed over a book.

    Haggis opened the cover and saw it stamped with the words Church of Scientology.

    “Take me there,” Haggis said.

    Haggis followed Scientology for about 30 years, a period during which he rose from wannabe script writer to Hollywood heavyweight. But since 2009, he has been one of Scientology’s most famous opponents – openly criticizing the teachings he once followed.

    Obviously, there was a much different perspective offered at the Scientology tent in Victoria Park this weekend.

    Travis Desmeules was one of three at the group’s official tent. A Scientologist for nearly 20 years, he and other followers were using E-meters to give stress tests to festival-goers and sell a Hubbard book about Dianetics, a substudy of Scientology.

    The stress tests are done through typical Scientology practice. An E-meter is used to send a small electric pulse through the subject, which upon leaving their body registers a reading in the machine. Followers of Dianetics and Scientology believe certain readings indicate stress.

    “Within the book (of Dianetics) is also a therapy to alleviate those things so we try to show them that,” Desmeules said.

    Haggis won Oscars in back-to-back years, 2004 and 2005, as a screenwriter and producer for Million Dollar Baby and a screenwriter, producer and director of Crash. In 2009 he was blunt in his criticism of Scientology’s flaws.

    “Everyone else could see it. I don’t know why I couldn’t,” Haggis told Wright.

    Several governments, including those of Germany and France, have condemned the group, feeding its negative reputation.

    To that, Scientology’s website reads, “No. It is a religion in the fullest sense of the word.”

    Scientology is recognized as a religion in the United States, giving it tax-exempt status. It is not formally recognized as a religion by the Canadian government.

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  11. TorontosRoot Member

    Awful. Boot them out!
  12. Intelligence Member

    But it is recognized in Canada as a convicted criminal organization... :confused:
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  13. DeathHamster Member

    By the way, when I passed by the 696 Yonge mOrgue last month, the sign at the side with the College address was gone. Google Maps said that location was permanently closed.

    If I get a chance tomorrow, I'll swing by College to see if their tiny sign is still there.
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  14. TorontosRoot Member

    I intend to also give it a check too. If they moved to a location between wellesley and college, it won't be too long before we notice again. An article says they moved to wellesley and church, but I doubt it.
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  15. DeathHamster Member

    I didn't have a chance to check out College, but 696 Yonge still doesn't have a sign with a "temporary" org location.
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  16. TorontosRoot Member

    IMG_20170914_212428.jpg it's still on college at yonge. Google maps got trolled hard saying "permanently closed". Lol
  17. DeathHamster Member

    Hmm. So why remove the sign at 696 Yonge, directing people to College St? (As well as any mention of Scientology.)
  18. TorontosRoot Member

    Maybe the building is gonna be demolished soon... the one across from it and the coffee time which shuttered when scientology left the building, is slated too. There's a notice on the second floor.
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  19. Quentinanon Member

    Suggest a demolition permit check with the city of Toronto for that address.
    After the building gets demolished, what will happen to all the body thetans occupying the areas of the former scientology morg?
  20. TorontosRoot Member

    They'll diminish.
  21. DeathHamster Member

    All that's showing is the old Jan 18, 2013 Refusal Notice.

    Damnit, I hate their new system that won't give a valid link into a particular record. All you can do is give other people a link to the entrance of the query system and tell them to do the same search on 696 Yonge.


    It doesn't slow down robotic data-miners in the slightest. All it stops is concerned citizens (taxpayers) from sharing information.
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  22. TorontosRoot Member

    I am disappointed in it. Where is the fawkes mallet to slam on their table? :O
  23. Quentinanon Member

    Here you go.

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  24. The Wrong Guy Member

    Church of Scientology headquarters moving to downtown Guelph | Guelph Mercury

    40 Baker Street is the new Church of Scientology hub of operations for Canada


    Yvette Shank, the public affairs director with the Church of Scientology, said the downtown Guelph location is being transformed into a hub of operations, a rallying point for Scientology activities across the country.

    She declined our request for a phone interview but agreed to take questions through email.

    “Guelph is very central to us and convenient for Cambridge and Toronto,” she wrote. “Guelph is a great place with all the amenities anyone would want.”

    The Church is renting the entire building. The group began moving in earlier this month. Shank wrote there will be no public facilities at 40 Baker. It's not a church — only administrative personnel will work there.

    “These offices serve to support the actions of local churches, missions and groups in their respective areas and serve as a coordinating and rallying point for all Scientology activities associated with those churches,” she wrote.

    “We are at the forefront of spearheading the Church’s massive social mission, including the world’s largest nongovernmental drug education campaign, the largest human rights education campaign and other programs.

    “We are acutely aware of the world in which we live and we are dedicated to helping Mankind.”

    The yellow stucco building is the former home of the Out of Poverty Society and Chalmers Community Services Centre — organizations that served the city’s marginalized, homeless and at-risk population.

    In April, the building was vacated. Chalmers moved into a building on Carden Street and the Out of Poverty Society transformed into 40X Mobile, still serving the downtown population by setting up tables just outside the building at 40 Baker St.

    Ed Pickersgill, the Out of Poverty Society founder and co-ordinator, said the new tenants have been supportive of the 40X program. As workers bring items into the building and clean up the space, they’ve made sure to leave room for the 40X tables near the sidewalk offering food, water and personal hygiene items.

    No one has complained about the daily service offered between 12 and 3 p.m. Pickersgill said, but every few days he’s usually asked by someone working in the building if 40X Mobile has found another location to set up the program.

    Pickersgill said the group is actively looking to find a ground floor unit for rent somewhere in the downtown, but so far, every offer made has been turned down. The group has been setting up in front of 40 Baker every weekday since April and typically sees 70 to 100 people drop by each day.


    The nearest church of Scientology to Guelph is in Cambridge, at 1305 Bishop St. N. According to a spokesperson at the Municipal Property Assessment Corporation, this property is classified as a place of worship and is entitled to exemption from property taxes.

    According to the latest national household survey in 2011, there were 1,745 people who marked Scientology as their chosen religion. The Church itself does not have status as a registered charity, but a Freelton chapter of its addictions treatment program, Narconon, does.

    Shank did not respond to a question as to whether or not the organization had any plans of establishing a church in Guelph.

    “We look forward to being a part of the city of Guelph and do our share to help this community we find ourselves in,” she wrote.

    More at
  25. TorontosRoot Member

    God dammit!!! If I lived there, I would be riding my bike slowly past the building with a sign exposing them, and they wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it.
    Glad they are out of toronto but them trying to recruit vulnerable individuals is sick and horrible!
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  26. DeathHamster Member

    So what do they mean by "headquarters", the CLO?

    This sounds like another stopgap location until they (hahaha) open the AOSH Canada in Mono.
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  27. TorontosRoot Member

    If they think by fucking off to Guelph to suck in fresh meat, it'll only end in disappointment.
  28. DeathHamster Member

    It seems to be the Continental Liaison Office, staffed by Sea Org. They don't do body routing, just the office work to run the orgs/missions in Canada.

    I wonder where they were located after they left the 19646 Kennedy Road Caledon in 2013? Possibly at the Cambridge Org. Obviously not at the AOSH on Mono or they'd still be there.
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  30. TorontosRoot Member

    ...I see there could be a little protest soon, if there *is* an active cherch to be placed there. I recall participating in the one in Cambridge. It was fun.
  31. The Wrong Guy Member

    Group plans to protest opening of Baker Street Scientology offices | GuelphToday

    The Facebook group — which states it ‘will peacefully and actively protest’ — currently has more than 450 members


    An organizer for a group in opposition to the recent opening of offices for the Church of Scientology downtown says they are planning on demonstrating near the church's Baker Street building.

    Laura Secord Roy is among four administrators of a Facebook page called Guelph Stands Against Scientology.

    The group was created, said Secord, in response to comments made by members of the public in online articles which reported on the move late last month.

    “A lot of people were concerned about this organization, so we decided we should say something,” said Roy.
    She is concerned the Church will actively begin seeking out new members.

    “We want people to know that when they are approached what they are all about,” said Roy.

    She and fellow administrators Frank Malott, Bree Isley and Amber Sinclair decided to create the Facebook group, as well as a Twitter account, said Roy.

    The Facebook group — which states it ‘will peacefully and actively protest’ — currently has more than 450 members.

    Last month, the A&E television series Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath won Outstanding Informational Series or Special at the 2017 Emmy Awards.

    According to episode descriptions on the web site for the A&E series, it chronicles actress Leah Remini's departure from the controversial Church of Scientology and she speaks to others who have done the same.

    Roy differentiates the Church of Scientology from religions like Catholicism and Islam.

    “I think a lot of people are confused,” she said.

    On Friday and again on Monday, GuelphToday contacted the Church of Scientology’s Canadian president Yvette Shank for comment in response to the Facebook group but received no response.

    Roy said the planned demonstrations will include pamphlets and will likely occur later this month.

    “We’re not a hate group. We are not going to be saying we hate these guys — it’s not like that. What we are saying is, ‘educate yourself,’” said Roy.

    The group plans on handing out pamphlets on the University of Guelph campus, in the downtown core and on Baker Street near the new Church office.

    “We want to be visible to them,” said Roy.


    Guelph Stands Against Scientology
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  32. TorontosRoot Member

    It'll take six hours to bike to Guelph, plus maybe a motel stay. Considering that, I wonder if anyone in toronto/GTA will be driving out there. Could save my back the extra labour. I'm checking out that group now
  33. The Wrong Guy Member

    Out of Poverty still looking to put a roof over its head | GuelphToday


    Ed Pickersgill has a Plan B for his Out of Poverty program for at-risk and marginalized residents in the downtown core, which is currently operating on the sidewalk outside 40 Baker St.

    “Buy myself some long johns,” said Pickersgill with a laugh on Tuesday.

    Pickersgill, 72, has run the program, offering food, clothing and informal support for people in the downtown core since the mid-90s. It has had several homes, including several years at 40 Baker St.

    But last April Out of Poverty had to vacate the premises when other tenants left and they couldn't afford to rent the entire space.

    The building’s new tenants, the Church of Scientology, inherited Pickersgill's presence on the sidewalk, where they have operated on tables and out of boxes for the past 24 weeks.

    But with the winter coming, Pickersgill has been trying to find new permanent digs.

    “My target is to have a place by Halloween,” he said. “Try and get a place inside before the snow comes.

    “We’ve put a couple of offers in on a couple of vacant commercial spaces, using a local realtor, and at the full value they were listed at, but they were turned down,” Pickersgill said.

    Another offer on a third location is being prepared.

    “Some people say it’s the NIMBy thing. I understand, it’s a stereotype that gets in the way. But what I do know that we have almost no behaviour issues at all,” Pickersgill said.

    “I think it’s because of community respect, valuing what we’re doing, and we’re not professionalized.”

    Depending on the time of the month, Out of Poverty sees an average of 70 people a day drop by to rummage through bins of clothing or grab a bit of food at the location, which is open Monday through Friday from noon to 3 p.m. Some days it’s over 100.

    Continued at
  34. TorontosRoot Member

    If they aren't a scientology front, they deserve that location the cult is trying to set it's claws into.
  35. The Wrong Guy Member

    Online group plans to 'stand against Scientology' in Guelph | Guelph Mercury

    'We’re going to make Guelph aware that they’re here,' says Laura Roy, Facebook group admin

    By Chris Seto


    A growing number of people in Guelph are sounding the alarm on social media to alert the rest of the community about the arrival of Scientologists in the city.

    Late last week, after the Mercury Tribune’s article about the Church of Scientology moving in to the building at 40 Baker Street, a group was created on Facebook called Guelph Stands Against Scientology. By Wednesday morning, the closed group had grown to more than 670 members.

    Laura Roy is one of the group’s administrators. Reached by phone on Monday afternoon, the 44-year-old said the goal of the group is to “educate citizens of Guelph so they’re not vulnerable.”

    She said Scientology has a reputation of being a “cult” and she's concerned community members could end up being hurt or losing money to the group if they’re not careful.

    “They’re just going to land here and they’re just going to start working on the community of Guelph, and nobody’s talking about it yet,” she said. “We’re going to make Guelph aware that they’re here.”

    In September, members of the Church of Scientology began renting the vacant building at 40 Baker St. This is the former home of the Out of Poverty Society and Chalmers Community Service Centre.

    In an email last week, Yvette Shank, spokesperson for the Church of Scientology, said the downtown Guelph location would be transformed into a hub of operations, “a coordinating and rallying point for all Scientology activities” across the country.

    On Tuesday evening, Shank wrote again in response to the push-back from Guelph residents. She wrote that her organization has been in Toronto and other parts of Ontario for decades and has established "excellent relations" with many communities.

    "Once we get settled in, we very much look forward to working with civic groups and members of the local business community in addressing social issues, such as interfaith dialog, drug abuse prevention and human rights.

    "We care about the well-being of our neighbours and share with them our humanitarian programs," she wrote, listing the websites and as examples.

    Addressing the Facebook group, she said "we have seen hate groups like this come and go. Their only purpose is to incite bigotry.

    "Some of our friends tell us that this Facebook Group has a lot of people in it from America and overseas, who are trying to stir up hate. Scientologists have encountered this before and have established a group in America called Scientologists Taking Action Against Discrimination."

    Shank did not respond to a direct question about whether or not this building will become some form of recruitment centre, as Roy and others are concerned it will.

    Shank ended the email by writing "From our experience, Guelph stands for openness, tolerance and diversity and we are glad to be here."

    The Facebook group is closed and anyone looking to join is carefully vetted, Roy said. There’s concern that if members of the Scientology community were to join and see people in Guelph openly criticizing the religion, those people could be open to some form of harassment.

    People are contacting the group admins through private message “because they’re actually afraid to post publicly or join the group,” Roy said. The media has shown time and time again that the organization can be very aggressive in how it operates, she said, referencing past CBC articles and their coverage of the 2015 HBO documentary Going Clear: Scientology and the prison of Belief.

    Roy said group admins have reached out to other Facebook groups online in order to gain new members and support.

    Roy said later this month the group plans on holding protests in front of 40 Baker Street and at city hall – but not to protest the Scientologists. "The protests are to let Guelphites know, there’s a ripple in the water.”

    Ward 1 Coun. Bob Bell said no one has reached out to him with concerns, but he’s aware that some people perceive the new tenants of 40 Baker Street as a threat.

    “If they don’t feel that this is an appropriate organization to have in our town, then they are free to demonstrate,” he said. “But if they’re demonstrating to get us (city councillors) to do something, I think that would be wrong-headed.”

    It’s not for the municipality to decide whether or not an organization is legitimate or if it is a threat to the community’s values, he said. “It’s out of our jurisdiction. We don’t make those types of decisions.”

    Protest dates have not yet been scheduled, but Roy said they will likely happen later this month. She said members of the group also plan on handing out flyers to people downtown and at the University of Guelph, to educate people and keep them from being recruited into the world of Scientology.

    Roy said she herself was indoctrinated into a religion when she was younger and is now very protective of vulnerable people. This is why she became so involved in leading this group.

    She said those who struggle with drug addiction or the elderly or students, are particularly vulnerable. “I don’t want people taken advantage of,” she said.

    The Church of Scientology was founded by the American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard, who died in 1986.

    According to the latest national household survey in 2011, there were 1,745 people who marked Scientology as their chosen religion. The Church itself does not have status as a registered charity, but a Freelton chapter of its addictions treatment program, Narconon, does.

  36. TorontosRoot Member

    I hope the people vote to get scientology out! They won't be any help or good for the community, businesses or anything related to "drug education/addiction" or human rights. They are against all drugs/medication, including which saves lives. Those that join the cult, via baiting stress tests will end up losing the skills (life, employment/job, social, communication, critical thinking, etc) they acquired in school and those taught by parents. We don't need that!
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  37. The Wrong Guy Member

    Guelph quest: Scientology sets up temporary shop in Canadian town and faces stiff opposition

    By Rod Keller, The Underground Bunker, October 8, 2017

    Last paragraph:

    Guelph residents can take some comfort that this is probably a temporary facility and it’s unlikely there will be recruiting as they continue to prepare for their permanent Ideal CLO in Mono. But Scientology sometimes moves at glacial speed and Guelph may have Scientology neighbors for years. Having a group of Sea Org workers that are paid less than subsistence wages and are not allowed to leave raises moral questions of slavery and human trafficking in addition to the potential impact on the community. Guelph Stands Against Scientology hopes to raise awareness of the church as the city takes its place among the few places home to a Sea Org Org.
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