Toronto org in stasis

Discussion in 'Canada' started by DeathHamster, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. Random guy Member

  2. DeathHamster Member

    Do you know that, or is that a (pretty good) assumption?

    Meanwhile, I wonder how they're doing on the back-taxes for the Yonge St mORGue? It's been a year since the Toronto Star article.
  3. TorontosRoot Member

    It's based on an assumption, which may or may not be true. Maybe lack of people traffic? Still, they locked themselves out of it. *whoosh*
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  4. DeathHamster Member

    77 Peter St on Wednesday -- nice and clean!

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  5. TorontosRoot Member

    Free of scientology's leftovers too.
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  6. Is the Toronto Scientology Org. still 'hiring' due to the explosive expansion?

    ''They are on the move.............''
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    10 March 2017
    Toronto Star
    1 Yonge Street
    Toronto, ON
    Dear Sir:
    This letter is to express my disgust at the bigoted, snark-laden portrayal of the Church of Scientology in Rosie DiManno’s column published yesterday on the website of the Toronto Star and affiliated publications.
    DiManno’s treatment of this worldwide religion goes out of its way to encourage hatred against a Church and its parishioners at a time when religious threats and violence—including those targeting the Church of Scientology—are growing at an alarming rate.
    Virtually every line of her description of Scientology contains snide, bigoted remarks that show she can’t move beyond her personal bias and ignorance of our faith. Rather than approach the subject with respect, Ms. DiManno appears to have spent her entire time thinking up as many clever-sounding insults as she could squeeze into her column. She especially seems miffed that her “interloper” (which appears to be Ms. DiManno herself) was prevented from barging into one of our buildings unannounced. We have no doubt that that someone attempting to storm into the Star newsroom without advance warning would meet the same fate, especially in this era of heightened security concerns by institutions worldwide.
    Let’s be clear, Scientology is the religion of millions of people all over the world. But more than that, much smarter people than Ms. DiManno in countries throughout the world have concluded that Scientology is a bona fide, legally recognized religion, even if it is not theirs. This includes Supreme and High Courts around the world. All subjected Scientology to a careful, rigorous and thoughtful review before making those decisions. Had Ms. DiManno bothered to do one scintilla of honest research she would have located the numerous trusted legal and scholarly findings that would have led her to more objective conclusions.
    The Church and its members work hard to create a better society for everyone, regardless of their religion, belief, ethnicity or origin. Our continuing efforts in drug prevention, drug rehabilitation, literacy, criminal reform, morality, human rights, disaster relief and interfaith cooperation are, in fact, legendary. Scientologists are devoted to helping others, and no doubt engage in far more community betterment projects than the average individual.
    In Clearwater, where Florida State University estimates the Church has an economic impact of nearly $1 billion, we have a long track record of being good citizens and making positive contributions to the community. We remain committed to partnering with the city and its residents to help make Clearwater the world-class 21St-century city it deserves to be.
    As a new religion, just 63 years old, we are too often subjected to prejudiced and ill-informed pieces such as the Star published in your paper. Scientology parishioners dedicated to helping others do not deserve such treatment. I strongly doubt you would publish similar inflammatory vitriol about Catholics, Muslims, Protestants, Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists or members of the Jewish faith.
    The incendiary hatred expressed by your columnist is inappropriate and irresponsible in today’s volatile world. Respect for another’s religious beliefs should be the order of the day, not venom and vile. Bigotry of this or any other kind has no place in our society.
    Pat Felske
    Toronto, Canada
    Ontario Regional Director STAND
    and Public Affairs Director, Church of Scientology Toronto
  8. TorontosRoot Member

    Hahaha they are sooooo pathetic. Nobody even visits that website outside of cult members.
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  10. The Wrong Guy Member

    London, Ontario is less than 120 miles southwest of Toronto.

    Ribfest: Scientologists are offering ‘stress tests’ with the support of the annual Victoria Park festival’s organizers

    By Charlie Pinkerton, The London Free Press, August 7, 2017


    The official presence of Scientologists at Ribfest this weekend adds a new chapter to London’s history with the controversial organization.

    “We don’t discriminate because we don’t agree with you,” Ruby Hillier, a Ribfest organizer, said of giving the California-based group a booth in Victoria Park.

    “As long as you’re not doing anything illegal it’s fine, we don’t exclude you.”

    Representatives of Scientology were offering E-meter tests, a well-known part of the group that sci-fi writer L. Ron Hubbard founded in 1954 – and a focus of criticism, even ridicule, from critics worldwide.

    Perhaps lost on Hillier, and maybe even the Scientologists themselves, is that the weekend festival was mere blocks from where Scientology’s most famous dissident, London-raised Oscar winner Paul Haggis, was first grabbed by its teachings in 1975.

    A young Haggis was walking to a downtown record store when a man stopped him at the corner of Dundas and Waterloo streets, he told U.S. journalist Lawrence Wright, who highlighted the filmmaker’s dissent in his book and documentary Going Clear.

    “You have a mind. This is the owner’s manual,” Haggis recalled the man telling him as he handed over a book.

    Haggis opened the cover and saw it stamped with the words Church of Scientology.

    “Take me there,” Haggis said.

    Haggis followed Scientology for about 30 years, a period during which he rose from wannabe script writer to Hollywood heavyweight. But since 2009, he has been one of Scientology’s most famous opponents – openly criticizing the teachings he once followed.

    Obviously, there was a much different perspective offered at the Scientology tent in Victoria Park this weekend.

    Travis Desmeules was one of three at the group’s official tent. A Scientologist for nearly 20 years, he and other followers were using E-meters to give stress tests to festival-goers and sell a Hubbard book about Dianetics, a substudy of Scientology.

    The stress tests are done through typical Scientology practice. An E-meter is used to send a small electric pulse through the subject, which upon leaving their body registers a reading in the machine. Followers of Dianetics and Scientology believe certain readings indicate stress.

    “Within the book (of Dianetics) is also a therapy to alleviate those things so we try to show them that,” Desmeules said.

    Haggis won Oscars in back-to-back years, 2004 and 2005, as a screenwriter and producer for Million Dollar Baby and a screenwriter, producer and director of Crash. In 2009 he was blunt in his criticism of Scientology’s flaws.

    “Everyone else could see it. I don’t know why I couldn’t,” Haggis told Wright.

    Several governments, including those of Germany and France, have condemned the group, feeding its negative reputation.

    To that, Scientology’s website reads, “No. It is a religion in the fullest sense of the word.”

    Scientology is recognized as a religion in the United States, giving it tax-exempt status. It is not formally recognized as a religion by the Canadian government.

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  11. TorontosRoot Member

    Awful. Boot them out!
  12. Intelligence Member

    But it is recognized in Canada as a convicted criminal organization... :confused:
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  13. DeathHamster Member

    By the way, when I passed by the 696 Yonge mOrgue last month, the sign at the side with the College address was gone. Google Maps said that location was permanently closed.

    If I get a chance tomorrow, I'll swing by College to see if their tiny sign is still there.
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  14. TorontosRoot Member

    I intend to also give it a check too. If they moved to a location between wellesley and college, it won't be too long before we notice again. An article says they moved to wellesley and church, but I doubt it.
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  15. DeathHamster Member

    I didn't have a chance to check out College, but 696 Yonge still doesn't have a sign with a "temporary" org location.
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  16. TorontosRoot Member

    IMG_20170914_212428.jpg it's still on college at yonge. Google maps got trolled hard saying "permanently closed". Lol
  17. DeathHamster Member

    Hmm. So why remove the sign at 696 Yonge, directing people to College St? (As well as any mention of Scientology.)
  18. TorontosRoot Member

    Maybe the building is gonna be demolished soon... the one across from it and the coffee time which shuttered when scientology left the building, is slated too. There's a notice on the second floor.
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  19. Quentinanon Member

    Suggest a demolition permit check with the city of Toronto for that address.
    After the building gets demolished, what will happen to all the body thetans occupying the areas of the former scientology morg?
  20. TorontosRoot Member

    They'll diminish.
  21. DeathHamster Member

    All that's showing is the old Jan 18, 2013 Refusal Notice.

    Damnit, I hate their new system that won't give a valid link into a particular record. All you can do is give other people a link to the entrance of the query system and tell them to do the same search on 696 Yonge.


    It doesn't slow down robotic data-miners in the slightest. All it stops is concerned citizens (taxpayers) from sharing information.
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  22. TorontosRoot Member

    I am disappointed in it. Where is the fawkes mallet to slam on their table? :O
  23. Quentinanon Member

    Here you go.

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  24. The Wrong Guy Member

    Church of Scientology headquarters moving to downtown Guelph | Guelph Mercury

    40 Baker Street is the new Church of Scientology hub of operations for Canada


    Yvette Shank, the public affairs director with the Church of Scientology, said the downtown Guelph location is being transformed into a hub of operations, a rallying point for Scientology activities across the country.

    She declined our request for a phone interview but agreed to take questions through email.

    “Guelph is very central to us and convenient for Cambridge and Toronto,” she wrote. “Guelph is a great place with all the amenities anyone would want.”

    The Church is renting the entire building. The group began moving in earlier this month. Shank wrote there will be no public facilities at 40 Baker. It's not a church — only administrative personnel will work there.

    “These offices serve to support the actions of local churches, missions and groups in their respective areas and serve as a coordinating and rallying point for all Scientology activities associated with those churches,” she wrote.

    “We are at the forefront of spearheading the Church’s massive social mission, including the world’s largest nongovernmental drug education campaign, the largest human rights education campaign and other programs.

    “We are acutely aware of the world in which we live and we are dedicated to helping Mankind.”

    The yellow stucco building is the former home of the Out of Poverty Society and Chalmers Community Services Centre — organizations that served the city’s marginalized, homeless and at-risk population.

    In April, the building was vacated. Chalmers moved into a building on Carden Street and the Out of Poverty Society transformed into 40X Mobile, still serving the downtown population by setting up tables just outside the building at 40 Baker St.

    Ed Pickersgill, the Out of Poverty Society founder and co-ordinator, said the new tenants have been supportive of the 40X program. As workers bring items into the building and clean up the space, they’ve made sure to leave room for the 40X tables near the sidewalk offering food, water and personal hygiene items.

    No one has complained about the daily service offered between 12 and 3 p.m. Pickersgill said, but every few days he’s usually asked by someone working in the building if 40X Mobile has found another location to set up the program.

    Pickersgill said the group is actively looking to find a ground floor unit for rent somewhere in the downtown, but so far, every offer made has been turned down. The group has been setting up in front of 40 Baker every weekday since April and typically sees 70 to 100 people drop by each day.


    The nearest church of Scientology to Guelph is in Cambridge, at 1305 Bishop St. N. According to a spokesperson at the Municipal Property Assessment Corporation, this property is classified as a place of worship and is entitled to exemption from property taxes.

    According to the latest national household survey in 2011, there were 1,745 people who marked Scientology as their chosen religion. The Church itself does not have status as a registered charity, but a Freelton chapter of its addictions treatment program, Narconon, does.

    Shank did not respond to a question as to whether or not the organization had any plans of establishing a church in Guelph.

    “We look forward to being a part of the city of Guelph and do our share to help this community we find ourselves in,” she wrote.

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  25. TorontosRoot Member

    God dammit!!! If I lived there, I would be riding my bike slowly past the building with a sign exposing them, and they wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about it.
    Glad they are out of toronto but them trying to recruit vulnerable individuals is sick and horrible!
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  26. DeathHamster Member

    So what do they mean by "headquarters", the CLO?

    This sounds like another stopgap location until they (hahaha) open the AOSH Canada in Mono.
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  27. TorontosRoot Member

    If they think by fucking off to Guelph to suck in fresh meat, it'll only end in disappointment.
  28. DeathHamster Member

    It seems to be the Continental Liaison Office, staffed by Sea Org. They don't do body routing, just the office work to run the orgs/missions in Canada.

    I wonder where they were located after they left the 19646 Kennedy Road Caledon in 2013? Possibly at the Cambridge Org. Obviously not at the AOSH on Mono or they'd still be there.
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  30. TorontosRoot Member

    ...I see there could be a little protest soon, if there *is* an active cherch to be placed there. I recall participating in the one in Cambridge. It was fun.
  31. The Wrong Guy Member

    Group plans to protest opening of Baker Street Scientology offices | GuelphToday

    The Facebook group — which states it ‘will peacefully and actively protest’ — currently has more than 450 members


    An organizer for a group in opposition to the recent opening of offices for the Church of Scientology downtown says they are planning on demonstrating near the church's Baker Street building.

    Laura Secord Roy is among four administrators of a Facebook page called Guelph Stands Against Scientology.

    The group was created, said Secord, in response to comments made by members of the public in online articles which reported on the move late last month.

    “A lot of people were concerned about this organization, so we decided we should say something,” said Roy.
    She is concerned the Church will actively begin seeking out new members.

    “We want people to know that when they are approached what they are all about,” said Roy.

    She and fellow administrators Frank Malott, Bree Isley and Amber Sinclair decided to create the Facebook group, as well as a Twitter account, said Roy.

    The Facebook group — which states it ‘will peacefully and actively protest’ — currently has more than 450 members.

    Last month, the A&E television series Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath won Outstanding Informational Series or Special at the 2017 Emmy Awards.

    According to episode descriptions on the web site for the A&E series, it chronicles actress Leah Remini's departure from the controversial Church of Scientology and she speaks to others who have done the same.

    Roy differentiates the Church of Scientology from religions like Catholicism and Islam.

    “I think a lot of people are confused,” she said.

    On Friday and again on Monday, GuelphToday contacted the Church of Scientology’s Canadian president Yvette Shank for comment in response to the Facebook group but received no response.

    Roy said the planned demonstrations will include pamphlets and will likely occur later this month.

    “We’re not a hate group. We are not going to be saying we hate these guys — it’s not like that. What we are saying is, ‘educate yourself,’” said Roy.

    The group plans on handing out pamphlets on the University of Guelph campus, in the downtown core and on Baker Street near the new Church office.

    “We want to be visible to them,” said Roy.


    Guelph Stands Against Scientology
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  32. TorontosRoot Member

    It'll take six hours to bike to Guelph, plus maybe a motel stay. Considering that, I wonder if anyone in toronto/GTA will be driving out there. Could save my back the extra labour. I'm checking out that group now
  33. The Wrong Guy Member

    Out of Poverty still looking to put a roof over its head | GuelphToday


    Ed Pickersgill has a Plan B for his Out of Poverty program for at-risk and marginalized residents in the downtown core, which is currently operating on the sidewalk outside 40 Baker St.

    “Buy myself some long johns,” said Pickersgill with a laugh on Tuesday.

    Pickersgill, 72, has run the program, offering food, clothing and informal support for people in the downtown core since the mid-90s. It has had several homes, including several years at 40 Baker St.

    But last April Out of Poverty had to vacate the premises when other tenants left and they couldn't afford to rent the entire space.

    The building’s new tenants, the Church of Scientology, inherited Pickersgill's presence on the sidewalk, where they have operated on tables and out of boxes for the past 24 weeks.

    But with the winter coming, Pickersgill has been trying to find new permanent digs.

    “My target is to have a place by Halloween,” he said. “Try and get a place inside before the snow comes.

    “We’ve put a couple of offers in on a couple of vacant commercial spaces, using a local realtor, and at the full value they were listed at, but they were turned down,” Pickersgill said.

    Another offer on a third location is being prepared.

    “Some people say it’s the NIMBy thing. I understand, it’s a stereotype that gets in the way. But what I do know that we have almost no behaviour issues at all,” Pickersgill said.

    “I think it’s because of community respect, valuing what we’re doing, and we’re not professionalized.”

    Depending on the time of the month, Out of Poverty sees an average of 70 people a day drop by to rummage through bins of clothing or grab a bit of food at the location, which is open Monday through Friday from noon to 3 p.m. Some days it’s over 100.

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  34. TorontosRoot Member

    If they aren't a scientology front, they deserve that location the cult is trying to set it's claws into.
  35. The Wrong Guy Member

    Online group plans to 'stand against Scientology' in Guelph | Guelph Mercury

    'We’re going to make Guelph aware that they’re here,' says Laura Roy, Facebook group admin

    By Chris Seto


    A growing number of people in Guelph are sounding the alarm on social media to alert the rest of the community about the arrival of Scientologists in the city.

    Late last week, after the Mercury Tribune’s article about the Church of Scientology moving in to the building at 40 Baker Street, a group was created on Facebook called Guelph Stands Against Scientology. By Wednesday morning, the closed group had grown to more than 670 members.

    Laura Roy is one of the group’s administrators. Reached by phone on Monday afternoon, the 44-year-old said the goal of the group is to “educate citizens of Guelph so they’re not vulnerable.”

    She said Scientology has a reputation of being a “cult” and she's concerned community members could end up being hurt or losing money to the group if they’re not careful.

    “They’re just going to land here and they’re just going to start working on the community of Guelph, and nobody’s talking about it yet,” she said. “We’re going to make Guelph aware that they’re here.”

    In September, members of the Church of Scientology began renting the vacant building at 40 Baker St. This is the former home of the Out of Poverty Society and Chalmers Community Service Centre.

    In an email last week, Yvette Shank, spokesperson for the Church of Scientology, said the downtown Guelph location would be transformed into a hub of operations, “a coordinating and rallying point for all Scientology activities” across the country.

    On Tuesday evening, Shank wrote again in response to the push-back from Guelph residents. She wrote that her organization has been in Toronto and other parts of Ontario for decades and has established "excellent relations" with many communities.

    "Once we get settled in, we very much look forward to working with civic groups and members of the local business community in addressing social issues, such as interfaith dialog, drug abuse prevention and human rights.

    "We care about the well-being of our neighbours and share with them our humanitarian programs," she wrote, listing the websites and as examples.

    Addressing the Facebook group, she said "we have seen hate groups like this come and go. Their only purpose is to incite bigotry.

    "Some of our friends tell us that this Facebook Group has a lot of people in it from America and overseas, who are trying to stir up hate. Scientologists have encountered this before and have established a group in America called Scientologists Taking Action Against Discrimination."

    Shank did not respond to a direct question about whether or not this building will become some form of recruitment centre, as Roy and others are concerned it will.

    Shank ended the email by writing "From our experience, Guelph stands for openness, tolerance and diversity and we are glad to be here."

    The Facebook group is closed and anyone looking to join is carefully vetted, Roy said. There’s concern that if members of the Scientology community were to join and see people in Guelph openly criticizing the religion, those people could be open to some form of harassment.

    People are contacting the group admins through private message “because they’re actually afraid to post publicly or join the group,” Roy said. The media has shown time and time again that the organization can be very aggressive in how it operates, she said, referencing past CBC articles and their coverage of the 2015 HBO documentary Going Clear: Scientology and the prison of Belief.

    Roy said group admins have reached out to other Facebook groups online in order to gain new members and support.

    Roy said later this month the group plans on holding protests in front of 40 Baker Street and at city hall – but not to protest the Scientologists. "The protests are to let Guelphites know, there’s a ripple in the water.”

    Ward 1 Coun. Bob Bell said no one has reached out to him with concerns, but he’s aware that some people perceive the new tenants of 40 Baker Street as a threat.

    “If they don’t feel that this is an appropriate organization to have in our town, then they are free to demonstrate,” he said. “But if they’re demonstrating to get us (city councillors) to do something, I think that would be wrong-headed.”

    It’s not for the municipality to decide whether or not an organization is legitimate or if it is a threat to the community’s values, he said. “It’s out of our jurisdiction. We don’t make those types of decisions.”

    Protest dates have not yet been scheduled, but Roy said they will likely happen later this month. She said members of the group also plan on handing out flyers to people downtown and at the University of Guelph, to educate people and keep them from being recruited into the world of Scientology.

    Roy said she herself was indoctrinated into a religion when she was younger and is now very protective of vulnerable people. This is why she became so involved in leading this group.

    She said those who struggle with drug addiction or the elderly or students, are particularly vulnerable. “I don’t want people taken advantage of,” she said.

    The Church of Scientology was founded by the American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard, who died in 1986.

    According to the latest national household survey in 2011, there were 1,745 people who marked Scientology as their chosen religion. The Church itself does not have status as a registered charity, but a Freelton chapter of its addictions treatment program, Narconon, does.

  36. TorontosRoot Member

    I hope the people vote to get scientology out! They won't be any help or good for the community, businesses or anything related to "drug education/addiction" or human rights. They are against all drugs/medication, including which saves lives. Those that join the cult, via baiting stress tests will end up losing the skills (life, employment/job, social, communication, critical thinking, etc) they acquired in school and those taught by parents. We don't need that!
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  37. The Wrong Guy Member

    Guelph quest: Scientology sets up temporary shop in Canadian town and faces stiff opposition

    By Rod Keller, The Underground Bunker, October 8, 2017

    Last paragraph:

    Guelph residents can take some comfort that this is probably a temporary facility and it’s unlikely there will be recruiting as they continue to prepare for their permanent Ideal CLO in Mono. But Scientology sometimes moves at glacial speed and Guelph may have Scientology neighbors for years. Having a group of Sea Org workers that are paid less than subsistence wages and are not allowed to leave raises moral questions of slavery and human trafficking in addition to the potential impact on the community. Guelph Stands Against Scientology hopes to raise awareness of the church as the city takes its place among the few places home to a Sea Org Org.
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  40. The Wrong Guy Member

    In Canada, Scientology does not get the welcome it might have been expecting | The Underground Bunker


    Rod Keller gets us into the protest held in the Canadian city of Guelph yesterday as the locals let Scientology know that its “CLO” is not welcome there.

    It was a rainy day yesterday in the city of Guelph, Ontario as residents protested the new Scientology office at in the downtown area. 15 protesters braved conditions at the new 40 Baker Street Continental Liaison Office, or CLO, which is a management office that coordinates and directs the orgs and missions in the Scientology “continent” of Canada. CLOs are not recruiting locations and they are staffed by Sea Org members who have signed a billion year contract to serve Scientology in this and all future lifetimes.



    Flier distributed at the protest

    Frank Malott, one of the protest organizers, tell us “There are two reasons I’m protesting. One is Scientology’s racism. Part of it my father side is African American and my ancestors came to Guelph by the Underground Railroad to the church on Essex St. The other part is the poor children and the brainwashing; they have no life. It’s not a religion, it’s a business.”


    Protester Mark Lawson tells us “I am against their policy of disconnection. That they do not permit members to take meds for mental illness, which in some cases have led to deaths. Also their ‘Fair Game’ policy. Does a REAL religion carry on like this?”


    Several workers were seen through closed blinds, but Scientology did not confront demonstrators or respond officially to the protest. Protesters are planning a similar demonstration at the Cambridge Ideal Org, which is close to the new CLO.

    Rod Keller

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  41. The Wrong Guy Member

    Masked protesters gather outside new Scientology office in Downtown Guelph | Guelph Today

    Members from the Facebook group Guelph Stands Against Scientology protested outside church offices on Baker Street Saturday


    A small but enthusiastic group of protestors replete with a healthy supply of Guy Fawkes masks and signs gathered outside the new Canadian headquarters of the Church of Scientology Saturday afternoon.

    “The purpose of the protest is that we don’t believe it is a religion,” said organizer Frank Malott. “We don’t believe it is a cult. We believe it is a business. We don’t like the way children are being treated. We don’t like the way the Sea Orgs are being treated. We just believe that it is not a religion.”

    Malott helped establish the Guelph Stands Against Scientology Facebook group and was one of nearly 30 people that braved the cold and rain Saturday to voice their opposition to the church setting up in Guelph.

    “There are 760 in our group right now on the Facebook page,” said Malott. “It was three of us that started the group. One day we realized that Guelph was bringing in the Scientology office and a bunch of us thought, let’s start a group and see what happens.”

    Malott and most of the other protestors wore masks or other disguises and carried signs.

    “I am just protecting myself from Scientology,” said Malott.

    Repeated efforts to talk with people inside the building at 40 Baker St were unanswered and no one from the church’s nearest office in Cambridge has responded to a request for an interview.

    Continued here, with photos:
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  42. The Wrong Guy Member

    Church of Scientology says protesters don't represent Guelph | Guelph Mercury Tribune


    “These picketers ... do not represent the people of Guelph,” Yvette Shank, public affairs director with the Church of Scientology, said in an email to the Mercury Tribune on Tuesday.

    “We have seen hate groups like this come and go,” she said. “This group’s purpose is to incite bigotry. Any allegations they make are just that, not based on facts.”

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  43. TorontosRoot Member

    They are describing themselves quite well.
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  44. Ah yes, Yvette Shank. She's been in Scientology since the late 1960's. That is a lot of daily constant brainwashing and self-brainwashing to undergo. She has worked her way up to the top of the brainwashed pyramid of Canadian Scientology. She is the head honcho of Canada, doncha know.

    Doesn't she know just how old and lame the ''bigotry'' angle is? Guess not. She must really believe it. Unbelievable. Words fail me.
  45. TorontosRoot Member

    I wonder if she would meet an ex/sp/critic for coffee for anything BUT scientology discussion? ;)
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  46. LOL!

    I would talk to her. I wouldn't tell her that I am an ex/sp/ critic, though.

    In a lot of ways she is still the same person that she was before she got into the cult. So, she can and does act like a normal person when the subject is not Scientology. As soon as you critique the cult, she turns into a Scientologist in full force, though. It's a kind of ugly and scary thing to watch. I've seen that switch in behaviour in lots of Scientologists. It is not nice.

    The nicer Scientologists just calmly say that they ''Don't want to discuss it.'' That doesn't man they are any less brainwashed though.

    You have to spend some time away from Scientology, Orgs, and Scientologists in order to be receptive to other ideas. With enough time away, the brainwashing starts to fade a bit. That's why there is a lot of pressure on members to always be taking services.

    This video explains it quite well. Even though it is about fundamental Christianity it is the same thing as Scientology. It's called REVIVAL MEETINGS. In Scientology it is call an ''Event''.

    The revival part starts at the 4:11 point but the whole video is great and you should watch it.

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  47. The Wrong Guy Member


    Chinatown filming notice provokes heated debate on social media | Toronto Star

    Experts differ on how binding was the notice, which read “Crowd Notice: Consent and Release” and notified the public of filming in the area.


    A Toronto user of the reddit social media website was walking through Chinatown when he spotted people filming on a sidewalk. Behind them, taped on the wall, was a piece of white paper that read “Crowd Notice: Consent and Release.”

    The document stated that Scientology Media Productions was filming in the area, and that any person entering the area would “irrevocably consent to and authorize [the production company] to photograph you and make recordings of your voice and to use said photographs and/or recordings for worldwide exploitation . . . for any purpose whatsoever.”

    “If you do not wish to be subject,” read the notice, “please do not enter this area.”

    “This isn’t legal, right?” asked the reddit user.

    His question galvanized a heated debate on the social media platform.

    “No, a sign posted on a wall is not a consent form,” read one reply to the question. “. . . just saying ‘Haha you walked through here, too late!’ is not legally binding.”

    “Completely legal,” said another person participating in the online discussion. “You should have no expectation of privacy in a public area. They went above and beyond by posting that notice.”

    In an email to the Star, Scientology Media Productions said that they were shooting “an event to promote human rights” and inform people about the Scientology religion.

    According to a spokesperson, the filming of the event was done inside. “No members of the general public who happened to be in the area would have appeared on camera,” read the email sent to the Star. “The language in the release form is generic language typical for the industry.”

    Several expert lawyers told the Star that such notices are, in fact, a standard and common practice. “Once you film something that’s available to a larger audience, you need consent,” said Victoria Novak, a Toronto-based media and entertainment lawyer. It’s impractical and often impossible to have people in a crowd setting each sign a release, said Miro Oballa, Novak’s colleague. Putting up visible notices, however, at all the points of entry and exit of the site, which are written in a clear, big font, and identify the film production, is a way to ensure this has been done.

    “I’d advise them to post enough [of these notices] up so that there is a reasonable expectation that someone entering the area knows exactly what’s happening,” said Oballa.

    There are things, however, to be careful of when putting up such public notices of consent, said Nick Poon, a Toronto privacy lawyer. “If it’s just posted on the wall, how do you know that everyone who enters the area has read the consent, understands it and agreed to it?” he asks.

    Wording is also important. “I would not consent to [this notice],” said Poon, raising concern about the notice’s disclaimer to use any public footage for “worldwide exploitation” and “any purpose whatsoever.”

    “Most people would not agree with this,” he said.

    The third concern is of minors who walk in the area; anyone under 18-years-old cannot give consent without a parent. And no one, said Poon, can be excluded from a public area.

    Novak adds that such notices should make clear the exact nature of the film, whether it’s promotional material, a film, or a newsreel. Other information, such as when the material will be released, is also advisable to include.

    “There are no hard and fast rules about this,” said Novak. “It’s about people being informed about what they’re consenting to.

    “It’s the most practical approach to a situation that’s not full proof,” said Oballa. “The technical thing that one would have to do is to get everyone who is recognizable to sign a release.”

    In order to distribute it or publish any such film, you need consent. Said Poon, “The issue is, can you get proper consent by putting it on a wall?”

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  48. Legal or not; it's a dick move it's Scientology.
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  49. DeathHamster Member

    Where's Toronto's "Chinatown" these days?

    Kind of sloppy.
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  50. TorontosRoot Member

    Between college and dundas on spadina. It's all chinatown. Sucks they aren't specific. All for propaganda that is.
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  51. DeathHamster Member

    That area flips over a new ethnic group every 25 years.
  52. TorontosRoot Member

    Interesting, something I haven't paid attention to in a long time.
  53. DeathHamster Member

    The new new temporary org address is 284 King St E, Toronto.

    Anyone want to grab a picture?

    Speaking of pictures, CoS has been loading pictures on Google Maps for their org locations that don't have anything to do with the location, like The Way to Happiness covers. (Not that critics haven't done the same. ;) )

    It's fairly easy to report those and Google will remove the obvious adverts within a day.
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  54. DeathHamster Member

    Dropped here for reference:

    In Ontario, Scientology currently has six "Reverends" registered as Religious Marriage Officiants. I think they're all grandfathered from the 1990s when Scientology was going to get its charity status "any minute now", a requirement for religious recognition in Ontario. (It's a provincial rather than federal power.)

    Acton Shank Yvette Church Of Scientology Of Toronto
    Ottawa Mann Cathie Church Of Scientology Of Ottawa
    Toronto MacDonald Jock Church Of Scientology Of Toronto
    Toronto Mallet Suzanne M Church Of Scientology Of Toronto
    Toronto Smith Earl Wayne Church Of Scientology Of Toronto
    Toronto Felske Pat Church Of Scientology Of Toronto

    Acton is out towards Cambridge, so Yvette Shank probably covers that org.

    It's not a big deal. People can still fill out the civil paperwork, then have whatever ceremony they want.
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  55. TorontosRoot Member

    I'm going to be checking that one out within the week as time permits. Just to verify if they aren't adding duplicity to the map (to defeat "bad" reviews). I reported that location (since the address is incorrect) as a duplicate of an already existing place. Not sure if google did anything.

    The sign at oddfellow's hall is still there next to the starbucks, so they haven't indicated that they moved at all. Still, recon could be awesome.
  56. DeathHamster Member

    Someone has recently reported that the sign is gone.
  57. TorontosRoot Member

    I'll need to verify it again. I passed by two weeks ago and it was still there.
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  58. Ok, after 7 pages of that above bullshit, I think I at least got the right to post this:

    Yeah, he is DSA Toronto Patricia Felske's husband. If you ever wondered how she could spend god knows how many long hours working to defend Scientology and eliminate psychiatry and drug use on a shit Scientology wage, well wonder no more. If she wasn't married to an accountant she would never be able to raise four children and work for the Toronto cult on the chump change they pay. The Felske family also donated 100 grand to the cause as well.

    This may not be all that important but at least I didn't fill 7 pages of you know what.

    Zee Gnu!
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  59. TorontosRoot Member

    Can't imagine what her pension might be!

  60. Lol!

    Zee Niew!
  61. Anon_CG3(ITA) Global Moderator

    the flood-posts are deleted. Have a nice discussion.
  62. PainterofLite Member

    The admin says posts are never deleted on wwp.
  63. TorontosRoot Member

    They were fed to trashbear. It was starving.
  64. Anon_CG3(ITA) Global Moderator

    You are right...but the admin was talking about posts........was it posts?
    Or you thing we should store 7 pages(315 posts) of a single number (number 20)? or cutted js code? This is just a curiosity.

    Personally i like any form of expression, and i was oriented to store also the js code, was incomplete too.....
    To me (and this is just my personal point of view, not the Admin, Moderation or staff pov) posts should never be deleted, but what if the massive-flood posts are going to kill any discussion or any form of free expression?
    don't forget to consider that by flooding this way, let you too be unable to post and talk....where is the freedom of speek?

    I wish to make it clear: this is just my personal point of view.

    About the deleted posts: if you want i can bring it up again....

    And again, there was many abuse reports about that.
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  65. TorontosRoot Member

    I'm happy the flooding spam was taken care of. I too, helped register a thousand dormant accounts used for it. They were using an auto generator. Now that the exploit is patched, discussion can continue flawlessly.
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  66. PainterofLite Member

    OK, I agree if they were just code or numbers.
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  67. The Wrong Guy Member

    Where is Scientology dying most Ideally? Could it be our neighbor to the north?

    By Phil Jones, The Underground Bunker, April 22, 2019


    Since the Toronto Org on Yonge St has sat rotting and empty for some years now, the Scientology Ideal Org in Cambridge, Ontario could be considered the ‘Flagship Org’ of Canada.

    Like any Ideal Org, it was launched with great fanfare by David Miscavige. In this case on a chilly February 9, 2013.

    And since it’s less then 100 kilometers from downtown Toronto, it should be a busy and bustling organization.

    I happened to be in Cambridge on a recent Wednesday, so I thought I’d swing by and take a look.

    Even though the sign out front said, “All Welcome” I knew that welcome wouldn’t include me. So I just looked around from the outside.

    At first glance, I knew this was in an area where there would be literally no foot traffic for them to ‘body route’ into the Org. Next door were some offices, and across the street a big wine store, but other than that, not much. I suppose they could go down the street to the corner where there’s a Tim Horton’s coffee shop and wrangle a few strays now and then. During the time I was there I saw no wrangling of any kind.

    The building itself is huge, and at the back is an enormous parking lot that stretches far into the property. However, there were only a handful of cars at the back, along with the requisite yellow Volunteer Minister van. While I was there one older gentleman mosied out to his car and drove off. That was the only sign of life I saw.

    I remember back in the days when I was on staff during the ’70s at the Toronto Org, and a Wednesday was always a busy day. This close to the week-ending Thursday stat push would be pretty busy. Cambridge, not so much.

    The only other Canadian Org I’ve seen in recent years is Winnipeg, Manitoba. It was even more dead than Cambridge.

    Scientology Canada seems to be a withering lost hope with one foot in the grave.

    Source, with photos:
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  68. TorontosRoot Member

    The same day the mORG moved out and closed down, the coffee shop next door did. The. Same. Day. Could be they were staffing it with scientologists. I remember going in masked one protest and they refused to serve me a coffee! (even offered $5 cash, to get change).
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  69. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology’s mental whammy is like taking one too many pucks to the head

    By Tony Ortega, The Underground Bunker, May 11, 2019


    Things may look dark for Scientology right now, with its cruise ship the laughingstock of the world, its celebrities constantly mocked and jeered in pop culture, and church leader David Miscavige becoming increasingly known for banishing his wife to an uncertain fate.

    But if there’s one thing we know about Scientology, it never gives up. We have a good example of that for you today. Among our more knowledgeable readers a particularly visible example of Scientology’s struggles is its poor showing in Canada’s biggest city. The building that housed the former Toronto org on Yonge Street is an eyesore, and for years we’ve seen no activity at all that would suggest it would be turning into a gleaming new Ideal Org.

    Until recently, that is. Now, in yet another example of how a project can sit entirely ignored for a decade before suddenly catching fire, our Scientologist neighbors to the north have turned on the afterburners to get the Toronto org funded.

    Yes, it’s always fundraising with these big beings, and Toronto is now well into that crazy period of any Ideal Org’s evolution when the locals are taking part in themed parties and giving enormous sums of money. Oh, the humanity.

    Our thanks to a local who has been feeding us some great internal Scientology fliers on this stuff. You know the project has reached a fever pitch when they put out these super-jumbo fliers that take forever to scroll through. We live for the kinds of observations our readers make about them. So please, hold nothing back.

    Continued at
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  70. Thank you Toronto Org for showing us all the names and faces of some of your die hard fanatics. You would have to be a fanatic to agree to this typical Scientology desperate silliness for the umpteenth time. Lots of old people who have bought into the self delusion since their youth. So that is what Otto Wilkens looks like! Otto has been in the cult for decades and has been on staff it seems for almost as long. Fuck, he looks so old and weather beaten and he has an eye patch. I thought Dianetics would handle any physical ailments. He may have left staff a few times for all I know but he seems to keep coming back even if only to help out from time to time. Most people know being on staff at an org sucks big time but Otto seems not to know this. Need I say more?

    The use of the blue maple leaf is obviously a reference to the fabled Toronto Maple Leafs hockey team. The hijacking of such a Canadian icon is silly and stupid but par for the course for the stupid and silly Scientology mindset. What is worse is that I am sure some clams actually gave in and donated to the criminal church.
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  72. TorontosRoot Member

    Let's do toronto a favour by letting the NHL know about their misuse of logos. ;)

  73. TorontoIdeal3-e1557539615967.jpg
    Otto the OT6. What a powerful being!
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  76. The Wrong Guy Member

    To be fair, we went by a Scientology ‘Ideal Org’ on its biggest day of the week

    By Phil Jones, The Underground Bunker, July 9, 2019


    I wanted to give Scientology the benefit of the doubt. A little while ago I went by the Cambridge, Ontario, Canada Ideal Org to see how things were going. It was during a weekday and was pretty dead at the time. I did a little write up on it and Tony posted it on the Bunker.

    The thing is, Scientology could argue that this wasn’t one of their busy times of the week. So I chose the historically busiest day in Scientology for any Org, which is always Sunday.

    Even back in the 1970s when I was supervising the Scientology Academy at the Toronto Org I’d have a minimum of 60 students on course in the Academy on Sunday (and every Sunday). Add to that Basic Courses which Willie supervised and had another 50 students on the same day. They had to rent space above Johnny’s restaurant to house all the Basic Course students. And on top of all this were Org staff, auditors, FSMs, and PCs (preClears) in session.

    So, this Sunday I had an errand to run in the area and we decided to swing by the Cambridge Org to see how the top Scientology Org for Canada was doing on the busiest day of the week.

    We started off at the corner up the street from the Org where the local coffee shop was to see if there was any evidence of body routing or brochures. Nothing. No sign of either.

    Then we drove a bit down the street and parked across the road from the Org for a short time. While we sat there we saw no activity of any kind. No staff or public going in and out. No body routers routing bodies. Nada.


    At this point I’ll stick to my earlier conclusion. Scientology in Canada is dying fast. They can take a few gasping breaths to see if they can raise enough money to renovate the Toronto Org building, but without new people coming in, and most of the old timers not bothering much at all, they are doomed to extinction.

    As it is I would pretty much stick a fork in it. Done.

    More at
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  77. TorontosRoot Member

    Less than 1,000 remaining too. Maybe less.
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  78. peterstorm Member

    I thought Quebec City was the top canadian org?
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  79. TorontosRoot Member

  80. Diane Dobson-Smith the Executive Director of Toronto Day Org.

    She has been in Scientology for decades and it looks like she was involved in the old Guardian's Office as well. Not surprising since her namesake, Bob Dobson-Smith was and still is involved in the OSA and previously the Guardian's Office since the 1970s.
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  81. TorontosRoot Member

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  82. Scientology fundraising at The Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto (International Scientology News, July 2019)


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  83. TorontosRoot Member

  84. So many of the people in the photos are old. Apart from the fact that they haven't figured out that they have been duped, it only goes to show that Scientology has a deservedly bad image. Nobody in their right mind is going to go near this cult! Makes me feel good. Makes me feel bad for those born into the cult, though.
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  85. TorontosRoot Member

    Yeah, they have no way to escape. Only from those willing to instill or plant the seeds of doubt. It sure doesn't take much. I once, back almost five years ago, got this one guy out of the sea org, and I encountered him last month. :)
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  86. peterstorm Member

    Is that Pat Felske in front?

    Also, John Gives-A-Lot lol
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  87. Yes, it's her. It looks like she has gained a bit of weight, but it is her. I notice Earl Smith as well. I know those two didn't have to be phoned and badgered to go there but I wonder how many people in those photos had to be "convinced" to come to this event or whatever they call it. I can think of a lot of other things I would like to do on my free time. Only a fanatic would volunteer to go to these things.

    Can you imagine what that is like? Your whole life is about Scientology. Everything revolves around Scientology because Scientology is the greatest thing in the world. Scientology is reality. Scientology has all the answers. Scientology is truth. Scientology is good. Everything else is false. Scientology explains the universe. It is a sad thing to see. It is so sad that I hope Earl and Pat never find out the truth about Scientology. They wouldn't be able to handle it.
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  88. TorontosRoot Member

    They might just IMPLODE from it!
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