Tracking Of The Freewinds

Discussion in 'Projects' started by _You_, Nov 24, 2009.

  1. Belladonna Member

  2. auchraw Member

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    Grain of truth? Micro-grain? Nano-grain? Like a homeopathic grain?

    TWTH is a technique CoS believes works with little black people in hot places. I think I saw TWTH in the hands of Africans up in Uganda or Burundi or Congo Republic or some similar hell on earth. A waste of trees.

    They advertised similar intentions with Colombia (Santa Marta) in early 2009. Since then a deafening silence.

    Does anyone know if TWTH has ever been effective in converting illiterate people to Scientology? I know Geir Isene swears by it, but he is an Honor Scout.
  3. OTBT Member

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    Its a PR press release issued by scilons. So there is very little truth to it. However, scilons need to have some little bit of truth to issue this type of press release.

    The reason I posted it in this thread - "The Tracking of the Freewinds" - is that it states that the Freewinds was reportedly in Port Castries in Saint Lucia on Monday March 8th.

    Only if you believe scientology PR.
  4. Anonymous Member

  5. auchraw Member

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    Thanks for the timetable. Nice to know we know exactly where she is.

    Did someone get bored going A-B-C-B-A on and on? I think DM likes Barbados. Is it perhaps more classy than the ABCs?
  6. Anonymous Member

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    Please find below a complete record of the Freewind's movements as per my sauces from December 1997 - March 2010.

    Ref the images where the info "jumps" instead of overlaps (due to page changes), assume the two port visible at either end to be the only two involved and the period of time between, to be the total time taken for the voyage.

    The Format for all columns is:



    /r/ mod to copy this entire post into OP.

    Thank you and goodnight.
  7. auchraw Member

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    Good heavens. Thank YOU. This is very interesting.
  8. Anonymous Member

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    Welcome. Glad you appreciate it.

    Will keep on posting periodic updates on the present location but they will be a little less frequent (though complete), so don't worry if I go quiet for a while.

  9. Anonymous Member

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    FTFY ;-)
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    Ineed. Imagine actually using a map and placing pins in these locations in chronological order in a video. You could see a time lapse of the ship's wanderings.
  11. Anonymous Member

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    I like it. In good time.
  12. auchraw Member

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    I has a question.

    I notice that after going from A to B and back for several months (since 15 November more or less) the failboat has broken out and is scooting all over the place, to Curacao and St Lucia and Barbados, as she used to do.

    She stopped visiting Curacao, or anywhere else except Aruba and Bonaire about the middle of November 2009. Am I right in thinking this was about the time she left DNV as her class agency and had all sorts of lapsed certificates?

    If so, can anyone find out which class agency she is with now? And have a look at her certificates? Is it possible she had difficulty getting certification, so that she could stay where she was (Aruba or Bonaire) but go nowhere else after 15 November?
  13. OTBT Member

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    Oh my...

    Good questions.

    I don't have answers, but you are right, this should be looked into.

    Is the Freewinds only allowed into 2 ports in the whole of the planet?

    bwahahahahahaha < gasp choke >
  14. Anonymous Member

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    OP here, I don't presently have access to the resources to get to the bottom of this. When I do, if it's still a point of interest, I'll try and find out.
  15. andonanon Member

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    In February 2009, she went to Buenaventura, Colombia. That is on the PACIFIC coast. She must have gone through the Panama Canal.
  16. AnonKat Member

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    scientologymedia — 11 februari 2010 — The Freewinds began service as a Church of Scientology religious retreat in 1988. The 440-foot motor vessel provided a distraction-free environment for parishioners to study and experience the highest level of spiritual counseling available in the Scientology religion.
    After the ship's first 20 years of service to the Scientology religion, she underwent a full refit and restoration.

    The refit was the largest in her history. Far more than a cosmetic upgrade, the ship was stripped from stem to stern, below the water line to the top of her stacks, covering all six decks. She emerged a brand-new, fully redesigned, technologically advanced, cutting-edge vessel, the ideal religious retreat for ministering religious services.

    In June 2008, Mr. Miscavige was joined by the current and former Prime Ministers of the Netherlands Antilles in the Freewinds homeport of Curacao to rechristen the Freewinds on her 20th anniversary and commemorate her Maiden Voyage as a wholly refit ship.

    The milestone Scientology project is featured in the October 2009 edition of Maritime Reporter and Engineering News—the complete refit and restoration of the Scientology Motor Vessel Freewinds. In writing the feature story, editor Gregory Trauthwein found the project so significant he dedicated his editorial to the ship as well, describing the passion surrounding this project and ship as immeasurable. There literally was not a single detail spared in the complete rejuvenation of M/V Freewinds, he wrote.

    The Freewinds is home of the Church of Scientology Flag Ship Service Organization (FSSO), a religious retreat that delivers the most advanced level of spiritual counseling in the Scientology religion.

    In addition to the impact of these renovations on the thousands of Scientologists who visit the ship each year, the sheer scope and attention to detail has set an entirely new standard for the cruise ship industry.

    The level of quality is incredible, said Jon Rusten, COO and VP Development, Ocean Development Group, which oversaw the project. Nobody can afford this level of quality anymore.

    Describing the project as A magnificent ship renovation via elbow grease, heart and soul, Mr. Trauthwein begins his article by stating: In todays I need it yesterday world, emphasis on quantity often overpowers quality, while the quick fix can supersede the correct one. Step back, take a deep breath and enjoy the fruits of a tremendous labor, a labor of love.

    For the past 20 years the Freewinds has provided a distraction-free environment for ministration of the highest levels of Scientology religious counseling, far from the crossroads of the workaday world. The completion of these historic renovations extends its continued service in this capacity far into the future.
  17. auchraw Member

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    All of this ^^^ is a Scientology puff. The refit was forced on them partly by the collapse of the hull structure through old age and rust, leading to withdrawal of certification in March 2008, and partly by the need to remove as much blue asbestos as possible, using their own slave-army of Sea Orgs. Or let us say, recognisable quantities of SOs were seen on board at the time by local people who know an SO when they see one. Nowhere does the cult's PR ever refer to the asbestos incident which led to the ship being sealed in Curacao on 26 April 2008.

    The rest of the refit was the usual 1950s plastic casino-style that DM loves.

    No-one believes they got rid of all the asbestos. It may have been sprayed to consolidate it but this is not recommended for old dusty layers of the stuff in aged shaky vessels.

    When did Scientology ever tell the truth?
  18. OTBT Member

  19. auchraw Member

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    Seems no reason why not. She is registered in Panama. This may have had something to do with sea-trials for her new certificate; though what I know about it could be written on a postcard. It was just before she began her latest refit in Cartagena (said to be bedrooms only).

    But I believe she can in theory go anywhere in the world, if her certificates are in order. Doesn't seem to like to visit the US for some reason ...
  20. AIN Member

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    and this is why I say the Anon Intel network rivals the CIA at times
  21. Anonymous Member

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    someone told me it has been seen in sweden,malmö thies week. Anyone can confirm?
  22. Anonymous Member

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    Rule 34 of the Freewinds

  23. OTBT Member

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    Freewinds is scheduled to make lots and lots of stops in Bonaire. Next scheduled stop is 4 July.

    Schedule for 2010 and 2011, use CTRL + F search to find Freewinds in the lists.

    Info Bonaire - Ships and Cruise Lines that visit Bonaire

    Freewinds is listing their capacity as 150 people. Isn't that a bit low?
  24. AnonKat Member

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    Bonaire is where they plan to dump their Waiste again.
  25. auchraw Member

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    It looks like they will be doing the ABC routine from July onwards. 2-3 days A, 2-3 days B and 2-3 days C.

    150 is low compared with some claims of 300 and an actual occupancy rate of perhaps 250 but the last actual figures that were posted (by arubabycruise, from end of 2009) were about 80. Then Aruba changed the format of their website. Alas.

    Will it make any difference to Curaco when the island becomes a Dutch gemeente? ie an integral part of the Netherlands? Would she be allowed to dock in Amsterdam?
  26. Anonymous Member

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  27. AnonKat Member

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    It opens the possibility for a Province of the Netherlands (were they will become part of) to enforce the law instead of greased palms.
  28. OTBT Member

  29. booski Member

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    Hi Sorry I missed this thread earlier!! newb!

    Anyway I contacted the USCG yesterday to see what they had to say about the Freewinds.

    Here is their response.

    "To whom it may concern,

    The USCG does not have any current information on this ship. This vessel has not visited the U.S. in many years. You may wish to note that the last time the Coast Guard examined this vessel was in August of 1985.

    If you wish to know more about the vessel, I suggest that you check Wikipedia, which has a good article on this vessel. According to Wikipedia, the FREEWINDS is owned and operated by the Church of Scientology and operates in the southern Caribbean Sea.

    The vessel appears to be currently registered in Panama. I cannot comment on the vessel's current certification status, since this information is not available to me. For this information, I suggest you contact the Panama Maritime Authority (or Autoridad Maritima de Panama) at HOME.

    For additional information, you may want to contact the Church of Scientology.

    Have a nice day,

    Asst. Chief, Foreign and Offshore Vessel Compliance"
  30. DeathHamster Member

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    That was before Scientology bought it. (Probably an inspection after it ran aground in St. Petersburg in January 1985.)

    Scientologists seek a port for "Boheme" January 12, 1987, Diane Steinle, St. Petersburg Times
  31. booski Member

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    thanks for info.

    Reason I was interested in the USCG was the following

    USCG CGMIX PSIX Vessel Archive Details Page

    As they had certificates issued for it before the dnv I figured might be worth a shot to see did they go back to the USCG to get certs.

    Anyway as the guy said there its Down to Panama. I'll see do they respond.

  32. AIN Member

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    yet the lists cites only a capacity of 150, which is super low when compared to some of the other ships.
    Ocean Dream, 1000 capacity listed, length 671 feet
    Emerald Princess 3100 listed, length, 951 feet
    Sea Princess 2016 listed, length 857 feet
    BRAEMAR, 700 listed, 537 feet
    Marco Polo 850 listed, length 578 feet
    Noordam, 1918 listed, length 936 feet
    The Royal Clipper/Star Clipper, listed, 170, length 439 feet (N.B this is a sailing clipper, with linen sails)
    Freewinds, 150 listed (possible 360 from design), length 440 feet
    For those not getting my point, for a ship of her class and length, she is severely under capacity.
    I should also note, being over 40 years old and only gotten half of her refurbishment done (due to the company stopping upon finding asbestos) I will not be shocked if she starts having major issues in the near future
  33. DeathHamster Member

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  34. Ogsonofgroo Member

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    I'd be surprised. The work that you mention being stopped was a couple of years ago, if I'm not mistaken it was a Polish company out of Florida and they stopped not just due to asbestos but because they were not getting paid.
    The work has been claimed to have been completed in South America last year (lord help the poor bastards that did it too, I can imagine their 'standards' of safety etc.. ), the major issues I see coming are from the cancer riddled customers and their families, and some escapees :D

    Can you spell 'chest x-rays'?

    July 4th in Bonaire? Oh lucky them to have a polluting stink-pot dumping their crap on America's Independence Day, its almost Lronic... When the hell will the Dutch wake up and start protecting those Islands?
  35. LocalSP Member

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    They've got a lot of crap to get rid of.
  36. AnonKat Member

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    Slappy's turds, DO NOT WANT !
  37. RightOn Member

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    Exactly Og, as Sean Paton said recently in a video, he can't blame all the groundwater pollution strictly on the Freewinds, although they are major contributors. He said the government knew the condition of the water 10 years ago and did nothing about it.
    Why they continue to let the Freewinds dump today is simply horrendous.
  38. Anonymous Member

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    I've negleteced this thread but am pleased to see it still going. Will try and post another full update to fill the void later.
  39. booski Member

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    I'm still waiting for a response from Panama, will update should I get anything.
  40. auchraw Member

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    The anonymous posts above covers the period. If anyone can get them a legible format (esp Jan-Dec 08) we will know a bit more about the asbestos and the work done.

    As far as I could work out before this information was available, she was in dry dock in Curacao in March having serious engineering work done (struts and stuff). This was being done by Nordica Engineering who used 240 Polish worker imported from their Gdanks operation. The four cruises planned for February were cancelled. This problems appear to have been unexpected and serious.

    The Poles worked and slept on board for ten weeks until the blue asbestos hit the fan. Then Nordica removed its workforce and 26 April the ship was sealed. There may have been further structural problems; certainly work in progress was stopped. Some rumour the firm was owed $3.5 million.

    Whole of May? still in dry dock in quarantine. Astra Woodcraft said 7 tons of asbestos were removed by 6 May, perhaps by SO trainees, and dumped at Selikor's Malpais land-fill site.

    Then a little Florida agency (Airquest?) was involved and one theory is that they trained up SOs to strip out the stuff or sprayed it to consolidate it, or both. How they got away with this is a typical CoS question.

    July she made a single visit to Aruba with 41 passengers. From a Bonaire blog a group of 'normal tourists' went ashore on 1 July. They were probably SO 'crew' since she had no valid passenger certificate at this time (it was issued 21 October).

    Most of August I think she was tied up in Aruba waiting for space in the dry dock. Then more structural work and very glamorous internal decoration to public areas; known in the trade as fur coat and no knickers.

    December Aruba reported two trips with a total of 154 passengers (77 per trip).

    This is all liable to correction but is probably more or less right.

    In March 2009 work was done in Cartagena, Colombia (another $4million) but everyone involved swore it was only cabins and similar refitting, no asbestos anywhere.

    Her passenger capacity is unknown; statements vary a lot. One IAS or ex-IAS member said the ship was cleared of all lesser thetans for the Maiden Voyage event, that there was competition for places, and that 250 attended. Elsewhere I have seen passenger numbers estimated at 200, 360, 400 and even 500, but 150 seems their current fudge. In 2009 when total passenger figures were sometimes available from Aruba she seldom had more than 80-90 per trip. Then again we don't know how many SO and RPF slaves are on board.

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