[UK] Operation Quiche Lorraine: Deliver a petition to Number 10

[UK] Operation Quiche Lorraine: Deliver a petition to Number 10

This got suggested in the London thread and it's a great idea both for getting Scientology taxed properly and for publicity - create a petition to revoke Scientology's VAT status and present it to Number 10 when we have enough signatures. I have done this before so I thought I'd grab the bull by the horns and get this moving.

This would probably take time and realistically we'd need 10,000+ signatories to be taken seriously, but over time that would absolutely be possible. If every UK anon signed thats easily 1500 people or more already.

I'm not sure about privacy issues (i.e. if Scientology would be able to gain access to the petition once it has been submitted), and indeed how much personal information people have to give, but I'll look into it. Theres also the issue of masked people in Downing Street, but hopefully we can sort this out, and thats not something we have to worry about for a long time yet anyway.

Somebody who is a reasonable designer should knock up some standard forms that everybody can print out and get signed. Remember, this doesn't have to be just at the protests. Hand them round your office / classroom / family / wherever, and rack up those signatures.

I will try to be a central contact point for this and can certainly collect all the forms at the London protest, hopefully we can get one person at every protest who can collect up forms and between us we can keep a running tally.

I've just knocked this up quickly so I'm sure there are things I'm forgetting. Comments? Suggestions?

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...quiche lorraine like the food?

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^I love how that's the very first response...

Possible to use the downing street petitions site to avoid using snail-mail?

Also there's this from a while back: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/scientologyno/
Not as effective as removing their VAT status but it would be a pretty big PR blow to them - spread it!

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Somebody else raised that - actual physical petitions get a lot more attention than those online ones which by-and-large seem to go unnoticed.

Plus pictures of Anons outside Number 10 would be a win that is orders of magnitude larger than any we've had so far..

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But it *is*, it's the one with all the ham in it or something...

Srsly though, I don't understand the policies involved (USfag) but if you're talking every UK anon, that's *got* to be more than 1500 at this point. Even just 1000 people bothering to print it out and get just friends and family to sign could concievably manage 10 each easily.

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I think 10,000 is a good benchmark to aim for. Obviously if we manage that quickly we can move the goalposts. Maybe aim to present it at the end of summer.

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that sounds doable.. any way to get these petition signatures to add towards the official government one that's floating around? you don't like to take away from that.

excellent name for an op.

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I CONCUR! (with cake)

i will be canvassing everyone i know about it as soon as we get forms, i think i could get at least 100 signataries.
even if every anon got 10 signatures, as stated, we'd get well over 9000!

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Ok here's something I've just put together because I'm bored. I'm fairly sure you only need name and address but I'll double check tomorrow. There's 30 spaces per page for easy tallying. I'm going to put some data protection act speil at the bottom too.



(Sorry if it doesn't load well, Imageshack seems to be crapping its pants at the moment)

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Opinions:

Add a reason why we want the Vat exempt status removed.
Also add an actual signature column.
Put an instruction that people do not need to put their full address if they don't want to. Hometown will suffice.

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Thanks - knew I forgot something.

I thought the reasoning behind it could be explained by the person with the sheet as it's a bit difficult to explain why and how they got the exemption and why we want it revoked without taking up a lot of space and being very wordy, which nobody likes.

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I have been a signiture of multiple online petitions on the number 10 site...the gay blood ban and the no-ID movement...both got a response the political equivalent of going "NUH NUH NUH I'M NOT LISTENING!"

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don't forget that we need to come across as a serious endevour. and one could get a petition "we the undersigned want lots of chips delivered to our places of work, paid for by the taxpayer, get hot strippers covered in cream to deliver them. that woudl be cool. and then we can have sex with them. yeah. can i have a beer?" signed by over 9000
without sound reasoning displayed at the page it possibly could be construed that instead of a cross section of society we're merely canvassing the white trash BNP supporting biggots, and hard line right wing biggotted tory land owners with more money than brain cells.

I recognise that this is what a covering letter is for. but people need to know what they're supporting, it's all well and good that we can tell them what they're supporting, and why they're supporting it, but we can't demonstrate that they were informed.

call it a little bit paranoid and cynical, but this is the kind of thing i don't want us to do, and then have it rejected over a piddling thing like "not enough information on the pages.

Also, i think having 25 signatures on each page, with a little room for the reasoning, would make it easier to tally.

(everyone can deal with quarters in their heads relatively easily... a number that's not quite a third would certainly tie my brain in knots after a while... but i have a clinical aversion to calculators. mental arithmetic was designed for a reason, damnit!)

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Personally,I would also remove the Anonymous logo.It would suggest that all people who sign are 'members' of Anonymous.Some people may not want to be associated with Anonymous,and also it would give away the identities of everybody who signs.

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No, I like the logo - I think it needs to be physically delivered by a few of us, preferably on April 12th, but if not, then the next protest. Not some random time though, it should definitely be during a protest, and April 12th would be nice, but I can wait if I must.

In my head, this isn't about signatures.

This is a PR stunt, and a pretty good one at that so well done Jon for getting this moving.

Who liaises with the police for the protests? Point being, we have the same pet-policeman every time don't we, so lets get him to give us a reference along the lines of "don't worry, the masks don't mean they plan to blow up downing street or kill anyone - its cool if they were them".

I would dearly love to be one of the people delivering it. If we had a crossection of people, to show how Anonymous isn't just a bunch of lazy internet layabouts who decided to do something. Show that we come from all walks of life, students, advertising companies, and whatever it is that you lot do. I think that would have a big impact. Masks should definitely be worn though, thats the whole PR of it

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Even so, we need the signatures in order to have a PR stunt in the first place.

Also regarding having an explaination up top, a small bit would be fine but I don't think the header should take up any more space than it already does. In fact I think it might be a bit big already.

EDIT: Reduced it to 25 rows per page and made each row a bit fatter.

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Oh I don't doubt/deny it but I'm just making the point that we don't really need to bother with 10,000

I say aim for as many as we can get on April 12th and the run up to the 12th

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i would also dearly love to be one of the ones delivering it.
even with the possibility of namefagging, i still want to be part of this.

what could be awesome is if one who doesn't mind being namefagged applied for a permit to march from QVS to downing street, and then 3 or 4 of us splinter off with the petition into downing street itself to deliver the petition.
thus upping the PR factor by 4 or 5.

delivering it on april 12th will be a bit soon. even the most popular petitions take weeks to reach enough to cause the PMs office to bat an eyelid.

so perhaps not this one, or even the next one
but on one protest date get a permit to march from QVS to downing street, and then from there we all make our own way to TCR for the post-petition party

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Ok heres some potential problems / stuff I just found out from my friend who organised one of these before-

- You have to get an MP to sponsor you (I think my MP might be a good bet for this as I know someone who knows him, but obviously we'll have to see)

- You're allowed to present a letter with your petition, which Downing Street HAVE to respond to

- Only 6 people are allowed in to Downing Street

- She wasn't sure but she thinks you have to apply and then they get back to you with a date you can present it on, which obviously is a weekday. So if we did it most likely it'd just have to be six of us pulling a sicky and going to London for the day. I don't know if we'd get enough notice for a substaintial Anon presence there.

EDIT: Oh also the police are (understandably) incredibly strict so masks may be a no-no. Even so I'm pretty sure the Scientologists have my picture anyway so I have no problem going unmasked.

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They certainly wont like all of us in masks descending on downing street, but that would be pretty effective

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Additional point - they are obviously funny about petitions being delivered in person. As I said in the London thread, Nigel Farage has obviously acknowledged our existence, unlike the rest of the civilized world, and therefore, he might in his position as MEP be able to 'arrange' the delivery, or at least help.

Personally, I'm keen to not get too close with him, as he is clearly... unusual. But, if he can kick start this then perhaps its an option worth bearing in mind.

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Well I think lets collect the signatures first, then we can start worrying about the logistics of getting it delivered.

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i wouldn't have much of a problem going de-masked if need be.

one concern is that we don't have a hugely good rep in the public eye. random people i've talked to have (out of ignorance) assumed we're a bigotted anarchic organisation attempting to bully a fringe religious movement for fun and our own glorification.
would ol' gordon want to be seen in the press as recognising a group as potentially controvertial as us?

so i think we'd need at least a few months to up our media profile by our tried and tested wacky (but not as wacky as fathers for justice) antics to guiness for a record. and maybe even somehow persuade a relatively major media outlet (tabloid, magazine, television station/show, etc) of chronicling our activism to raise our profile in the public eye.
(getting one of our more practiced writers to offer to write a regular column in the metro for free, not to advertise the cause, but to publicly document the movement)

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Many good points here and consensus fine-tuning is working nicely.

However - we can certainly walk up to the gates of Downing Street masked. The number of signatures isn't really the important thing. It's the actual act of delivering the petition itself.

We don't have to follow their rules and jump through all the hoops. If we want to deliver a petition to the Prime Minister, we damn well can. 10 Downing Street is an address, and this is correspondence. The filming and photographing of the act itself is as important as the numbers of signatures.

But, you know, getting a whole load of people to sign up would be good too.

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THIS.

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Unless anybody has any major objections I'd like to make this the "Print this and get it signed" proper version.

I've added a signature box and some data protection act stuff at the bottom (I'm not sure if this is needed or even relevant, but it makes it look a bit more official and anything that makes people more likely to sign is a good thing). I've left off anything going into more detail about our reasons for wanting the revocation because I think it makes it look to cluttered and wordy, but by all means add some stuff if you want - just try to keep it to 25 rows per page for easy counting.

http://www.mediafire.com/?dpynt1ecstv

Print it out and get signing. If everybody at just the london protest gets a full sheet done by the 12th thats about 18,000 signatures right there.

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Hi guys. Check the petition thread linked in my sig.

It would be great to start a GLOBAL petition - with each country agreeing their own wording and particular goals.

How about it? We could even launch in April, how hard is to have a few clipboards and to get people to sign?

Would appreciate comment and/or bumps on the petition thread over there. Seems to be something Anon wants to do.

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Awesome, I guess we'll be a step or two ahead of you guys come April!

In the UK we've got a tradition of presenting popular petitions to Downing Street and it's a bit of a torrid process, so it'd probably be wise to keep the two projects seperate at least for the time being just so things don't get even more confusing.

Although that doesn't mean you can't add our numbers to the global total, of course.

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Well that's kinda the point. We do a global petition, but each individual set of petitions in each country is different (in terms of wording). But combined, they are a "global petition against COS". It sounds pretty awesome and makes GREAT copy for the press.

Your petition will be different in text from ours, but the point is we're getting people around the world to stand up to the COS. I think it's made of delicious win. If we all launch our petitions about the same time and we put out some PR it could be verrry sexy.

Err, so to make things clear. How about we get this thing global in April instead of may?

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Righto, downloaded the petition then. I made the sig box a wee bit wider as I thought it might be a bit small. Otherwise its fine. I think the data protection act stuff was a good move

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Yup, I've nabbed it and I'm thinking we could all combine our powas to work on some press release for the start of a global petition? And then I'll get the mods to bump some sort of uber-thread to an announcement or something?

And a vid from the chanology original guy would be great too?

I am kinda really hot for this idea and it would be really fun. I think folks are behind it as well, just needs to be placed in public view, so to speak.

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SweatyJon-

You mentioned privacy in your original post. I do think it is important to find out about the privacy protection for those who sign before we get the great and the good involved. I will check some of my sources but did your friend have any experience with that?

I don't want to over react but i would also hate to provide easy targets for Cos.

I say this actually because I have received two strange phone calls from some man who had bogus reasons for trying to confirm my address and name. This happened after I was at the Feb protest in London unmasked. It certainly could be coincidence - perhaps some sales quack trying to get info on me - but I am keeping my eyes open.

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Hey UK Anons.

Kiwi anons are on our way to a petition for April 12 as well. And the US anons are encouraged to start one on tax.

I think we're pretty close to the "global petition against COS" idea. Once some more info is finalised with us Kiwis and I've talked to the mods and lined up some other ducks, we'll probably see an announcement on the Global Petition - yaay!

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Good work.

Myself, Davey's Cat and AnonNaEireann have taken it upon ourselves to write to Norman Baker MP to get him to help us convince No.10 we wont kill them if we turn up in masks.

I sent my email literally a couple of minutes ago

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Awesome news. I have almost a page of signatures already - getting people to sign this is a lot easier than I thought. Most people say "Oh Scientology, yeah they're weird!", then when I explain that they're VAT-exempt they sign straight away.

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Hey great! I haven't actually got any yet, but I have been talking to people about it and most will sign I think - I hope for a full page at least, aiming for two and more would be lush

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Man, you guys are made of delicious, pork-pie flavoured WIN.

Can you pleeeassse come hop on my petition thread and let everyone know how it's going gathering signatures?

I'm really excited about this idea. And we're about a day away from putting up something 'official' on the forum I think. And if you have any contact with vid makers, get 'em ready to announce a global petition against COS, kicking off April 12!

I'm giddy like a schoolgirl.

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Done. Wrote in your thread

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Remember everyone, the petitions must be delivered with the most verve and flourish possible!

I suggest big floaty, swooshy capes are worn! Or perhaps colourful umbrellas! Tapdancing! Monkeys! TAPDANCING MONKEYS!

No, srsly. Wear big floaty capes.

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^Brass band?