US Army catches Scientology ‘detox’ study FOIA request reveals

Discussion in 'US Army FOIA Scientology' started by KittyKatSpanker, Sep 11, 2015.

  1. Tony Macaroni:

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  2. Ersatz Global Moderator

    Thought this deserved a thread.
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  3. AnonLover Member

    Full set of dox gotten under FOIA request can be seen here, albeit in annoying, non-sensical randomized order:

    Twitfags and social media whores - plox halp a sista out and RT the following link:

    Alternately - plox spread the MuckRock request link anyway you can since Ortega is too busy to be arsed with giving me a backlink to my MuckRock sauce where I can earn free pageview credits to offset my filing cost$ from the webtraffic it generates.

    FWIW, a funny thing happened with ^^This request. On the MuckRock link above, you'll notice in the record of exchanged messages the agency's initial response to this request was pissy and downright dismissive. It very much reads like a rejection even though they didn't explicitly state it was rejected. So just to be a dick, I took it as a rejection and filed a second request where I spelled out that I wanted everything possible document and scrap of paper they had, and then some, with a bigger scope implied than what my original request asked for. They ignored that second request (aside from some whining that they received two) and responded to the first one. So moving forward, I'm assuming the stingy bastards got more shit to cough up and were too damn lazy to give me everything in the first release.

    EDIT: on the plus side, they gave it to me free and it was worth waiting for! So stingy bastards 'r just a wee bit stingy, and grumpy. Maybe more grumpy than bastardly. <3

    In a short while, I'll be posting a better document inventory list ITT w/ direct links to each document that includes a short description for each item in the release and puts things in date order. For my fellow researchfags who wish to dive in right away, the ideal/logical document to start with is the original proposal under this filename: 11 GW093066_proposal_pr APPLIED (long read is long, but easily skimmed and well worth time sink because there is work to be done countering this program).

    As was obvious in previous media coverage, there's massive harpooning potential here with abit of research needed to pull it off. For smarter peeps that comb thru this, you'll find plenty of signs that not only do they need an additional round of founding for the blood tests as mentioned in the earlier Daily Beast exposé, there appears to be a few other study closure items from the original proposal not yet completed due to all the "serious road blocks" that delayed this train wreck of a clinical trial for several years. More funding needed = opportunities to point out all the bullshit, falsehoods and oversights made in the original proposal and site assessment responses (see updated version of Ortega's post if you missed that dirty lil twist!)

    NOTE: I'm not exactly sure ATM where to fire those harpoons to try to cockblock more funding, but surely some smartfag can googlefu that up while I work on chasing the loose ends not disclosed yet.

    So any help given identifying harpoon ammo on ^THIS stuff would be muchly appreciated. Meanwhile, I'll be digging into what follow up FOIA requests need filed to /get the rest of this story. From a quick read of everything less than 100+ pages long, I have this hit list of action items to revisit and possibly chase down:
    1. Any official requests for additional funding, extension of time and/or no cost extension of time made to the US Army overseers.
    2. The Uni of Albany rejection/refusal to review the proposal on the grounds they weren't qualified, which caused the study to hire an independent IRB (review board) firm to make sure their i's were dotted and t's crossed.
    3. Other Uni of Albany correspondence related to why dafuq they paid for the commercial IRB rather than have it come out of the DOD grant.
    4. The FDA request and response on declaring the program wasn't a new drug. (Another WTF moment)
    5. Other stuff from the IRB giving the program the greenlight to proceed. The Army Overseers has to have more dox on the approval aspect and/or other stuff originating from the IRB besides the one document I got.
    Any other suggested angles to pursue from readers of the original mountain of sauce dox for adding to my above todo list most welcome. <3
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  4. AnonLover Member

    It does! Post move EDIT: t'anks! <3
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  5. DeathHamster Member

    And if we didn't know that this was all rigged from the get-go, that Severna Park Health and Wellness Center location where the &quot;study&quot; is being done appears to be a Scientology shop.

    From International Academy of Detoxification Specialists' 2013 Form 990:

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  6. DeathHamster Member

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  7. AnonLover Member

    I'm still working on that dox inventory list with helpful file descriptions. Big mountain of dox takes awhile to conquer.

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  8. WTF, I did something good. People I had my eye on this, I love you all.
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  9. Thank you, my Ego needed it.
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  10. AnonLover Member


    BOLD RED items are especially juicy (IOW... where I CAME!)

    FOIA Response Letter
    Where they tell me what I did or did not get.

    11 GW093066_proposal_pr APPLIED
    The original Research Proposal for grant money received September 9, 2009. Lots of scilon propaganda dirt to be found and debunked on how they spun this program for funding scam.

    16 GW093066_QuarterlyReport_1 APPLIED
    First quarterly report for the period October 1, 2010 to December 31, 2010. The painfully slowwwww launch of getting their program up and running begins! Problems abound at this point, but never fear!! They will take a few more years of haphazardly attempting to do what they claimed they could do with lots more “serious roadblocks” popping up at each major step the proposal made sound so simple. Imagine that!

    17 GW093066_QuarterlyReport_2 APPLIED
    Second quarterly report for the period January 1, 2011 to March 31, 2011. Expectations to start soon are still high, roadblocks we continually hear about for a good long while get mentioned, and Carpenter hasn’t yet shown his mad skillz at being a whine-y bitch.

    18 GW093066_QuarterlyReport_3
    DRAFT (?) third quarterly report for the period April 1, 2011 to June 30, 2011. Here we see definite signs that not all is well with the cult’s sneaky backdoor scam to get their purification ritual legitimized at the government’s expense. This states “After a 6 month period during which time we obtained IRB approval which was subsequently withdrawn, the human subjects review board at the University at Albany decided that it lacked sufficient expertise to review the proposal.” DO WANT more info on this. How convenient Uni of Albany is a state funded school rather than a private institution that can be tapped for more dox via open record requests! ( /bigsmirk )

    18 GW093066_QuarterlyReport_3 APPLIED
    Finalized third quarterly report for the period April 1, 2011 to June 30, 2011. Not sure why I got two copies of this, but “APPLIED” on the filenames seems to infer approved/updated elsewhere. Can anybody spot any differences between the two copies? (I didn’t get that far yet)

    19 GW093066_QuarterlyReport_5 APPLIED
    Fifth quarterly report for the period October 1, 2011 to December 31, 2011 dated January 2012. Perhaps “APPLIED” on the filenames doesn’t mean what I think it does? Carpenter is starting to get his whine on regarding the “serious roadblocks” that will impede his scientology kool-aid inspired pipedream for several more years.

    09 GW093066_10-1-1004 Oct 2011_1st Annual APPLIED
    October 2011 Annual progress report. Here we learn things are not going as planned. “University at Albany IRB would not complete their review of this program. They stated that they did not have
    adequate expertise to review the proposal, and they recommended use of a commercial IRB. This plan was approved by the University at Albany Vice President for Research, who agreed to cover the costs of such a review, and Chesapeake Research Review was selected.” Also, the Army wants the FDA to weigh in. Cold feet much? I think so. And I plan to chase these loose ends further.

    20 GW093066_QuarterlyReport_6
    Supposedly, the “fifth” quarterly report for the period October 1, 2011 to December 31, 2011 but it is dated March 2012 and dumbass already reported this quarter above. However, this is 3months later than the version above and possibly suffering from sloppy copypasta since the filename is 6, not 5. Anybody spot any other differences? (I haven’t gotten that far yet).

    20 GW093066_QuarterlyReport_6 APPLIED
    Again with the supposed title of “Fifth quarterly report for the period October 1, 2011 to December
    31, 2011 but dated March 2012 and the filename indicated this is the updated/finalized version of the 6th report. Carpenter can’t do maths very well? OR, is he just burned out from never-ending roadblocks and his failure to find 50 candidates who fall for doing Scientology’s purification ritual. I wouldn’t be surprised either way after seeing what a sloppy program he runs in the site assessment he’s nailed with later on.

    21 GW093066_QuarterlyReport_7 APPLIED
    Seventh quarterly report for the period April 1, 2012 to June 30, 2012. Whew, Carpenter can manage to count to 10 AND chew bubble gum without breaking out his crayons. So the last report was probably suffering from copypasta mistakes on the title and time frame. Here we see the delays are beginning to take a toll because it states “We have finally obtained sign off by the University at Albany Human Subject Board, who had refused to do the review. Because of the delay in obtaining IRB approval the person we had hired to serve as the Project Coordinator has taken another job, and so we had advertise the position again…” I thought the Uni was cut out of the picture once they paid the commercial IRB to get onboard, but I guess not.

    02 FY09 GWIRP Carpenter QuarterlyReport_9 APPLIED
    Quarterly progress report for the period October 1, 2012 to December 31, 2012. Notes their painfully slow progress at getting the necessary approvals to start. This is dated January 2013 and I’m not why we skipped report “8” for July-September, unless my order of dox is tripped up.

    10 GW093066_10-1-1004 Oct 2012_2nd Annual APPLIED
    October 2012 Annual progress report. By this point, they have the required changes to their protocol, forms, etc. submitted for approval. Items later found deficient when the Army does an official site assessment. You would think they would have gotten this shit right after getting hammered on to the point of yet another delay. But no, sloppy study is sloppy even though this report was filed early.

    continued next post...
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    01 FY09 GWIRP Carpenter GW093066 QuarterlyReport_10 APPLIED
    Quarterly progress report for the period January 1, 2013 to March 31, 2013. More bawling about “serious road blocks” preventing them from starting the study.

    03 FY09 GWIRP Carpenter QuarterlyReport_11 Jul 2013 APPLIED
    Quarterly progress report for the period April 1, 2013 to June 30, 2013. Shows they’re still holding onto the delusion that they will get 50 GWI veterans willing to do this crazy cult shit.

    04 FY09 GWIRP Carpenter W81XWH-10-1-1004 Quarterly Report July – Octob
    Quarterly (supposedly final) progress report for the period July 1, 2013 to October 26, 2013. Boo hoo, they still can’t start because DOD is reluctant to sign off and their patience is exhausted.

    12 GW093066_Quarterly Report_13 APPLIED
    Quarterly report for the period October 26, 2013 to January 25, 2014. More bawling about funds not being available being a problem. In addition, we see passing mention being made of “other funds” being used that will need to be repaid. Hmm… so, who was covering the costs while the DoD drug their feet? Perhaps the ohhh so fabulous Brandy Zadrozny from Daily Beast will find out for us if/when she does her follow up story on this fiasco of government money wasted on such a farce.

    07 GW093066_10-1-1004 Dec 2013_3rd Annual APPLIED
    December 2013 Annual Progress Report. This was supposed to be the final report on the study, but due to all the delays they haven’t even officially started yet and they mention they will need to request a no-cost extension to perform the study as originally proposed.

    13 GW093066_Quarterly Report_14 APPLIED
    Quarterly report for the period January 26, 2014 to April 26, 2014. Notes they are still waiting on the remaining funds for the years 2 and 3 from the DOD, but we have utilized other
    funds to begin recruitment. It appears they figured since they printed the recruitment brochures on their dime, they didn’t have to follow the rules and have it approved. Because a later site assessment raised the issue that they were using unapproved recruitment dox not shown to the IRB. How scientological – the rules don’t apply to us; we’ll do this program just like any other purif center!

    14 GW093066_Quarterly Report_15 APPLIED
    Quarterly report for the period April 27, 2014 to July 27, 2014. More delicious tears about remaining funds not handed over with mention that the poor vets being put through this pseudoscientific confabulation of woo get paid $2k to potentially harm their livers with Niacin overdoses that make them sweat gross purple ooze while they endure the toxic shits caused by exceeding FDA recommended allowances on nutritional supplements. By this point, Carpenter deserved to bitch slapped for being fooled into legitimizing this cult scam.

    05 GW093066 Quarterly Rpt (July-Oct 2014) Rpt _16 APPLIED
    Quarterly report for the period July 28, 2014 to October 27, 2014. Out of 40 GWI vets contacted, they only managed to recruit 7 people to get paid $2,000 to do the damn thing. Stats crash much? Also whining that they didn’t get all of the money yet. More DoD feet dragging! Bahahaha!

    06 GW093066 Quarterly Rpt (Oct 2014-Jan 2015) Rpt _17 APPLIED
    Quarterly report for the period October 28, 2014 to January 27, 2015. Whelp they finally got the rest of the cash, but after 5+ years only 10 Gulf War Illness veterans are in various stages of completing the program. They take the time to brag about the glowing success stories being gathered on that unapproved form and mention that they have such a hard time recruiting participants they had to go out of state. But never fear, a “local church” (/cough) is putting the out of state vets up in FREE housing. Scientology conflict of interest much? Wonder how many vets end up on course at that ‘local church’ ???

    08 GW093066_10-1-1004 Dec 2014_4th Annual APPLIED
    December 2014 Annual progress report. Also noted as “final” but they’ve barely started by this point because “The final approval from DOD came literally at the end of the 3-year grant period.” Lots of delicious tears to chuckle over in here, because even though they finally got that last approval it didn’t come with the rest of the cash. Lulz!

    24 Award No W81XWH-10-1-1004 Site Visit Notification APPLIED
    Letter date February 2015 with the official notification that a site visit for assessment of protocol compliance was paying the Severna Wellness Center a long overdue visit.

    22 A-16131 Dr. Carpenter _Gulf War Illness - Evaluation of An Innovati
    This is the first of several documents discussing the 26 March 2015 Site Visit and Assessment of Protocol Compliance for, “Gulf War Illness –Evaluation of An Innovative Detoxification Program.” This email is dated April 02, 2015 and just confirms the visit was done, and mentions that the final payment for this grant was held pending the outcome of this site visit assessment. Ohhh to have been on fly on the wall during that parade!

    15 GW093066_Quarterly.Report_18 APPLIED
    Quarterly report for the period January 28, 2015 to April 29, 2015. Oh look, they are still making the claim that the program will study 50 GWI veterans yet only 18 have started the program by this point in time. So Carpenter feels the need to once again lavish praise the “local church” that is providing housing for out of state vets. He also mentions that the program was site-visited by a team of six persons from the DOD on March 26, 2015. More on this lulzfest of FAIL later.

    23 A-16131 HRPO Site Visit Assessment Final Report (Proposal Log Numbe
    An email dated May 11, 2015 with the subject: A-16131 HRPO Site Visit Assessment Final Report. This seems to confirm minor details about how the site visit process works and notes next steps. It appears the following “Attachment” dox were attached to this. Good to see the Army took a month to compile their findings and aren’t running a slapdash operation like the study itself appears to be run.

    Attachment 1 GWI Protocol 6 10 15 APPLIED
    HEAVY DUTY dox here. This is 100+ pages of the revised version of the official protocol, with the recommendation changes included to address the deficiencies noted in the site assessment final report. Date stamps in the page footer indicated this procedural spec was first written February 2014, then revised at the end of August when their serious roadblocks turned into approval and funding nightmares, and revised yet again in June 2015 because shit wasn’t been done according to clinical standard. Somebody who knows how the cult does purif delivery could tear this apart, I bet. Hmmm…. Chris Shelton, former sea org purif overlord guy who was quoted in Brandy’s Daily Beast story, has been pinged with that idea.

    Attachment AAR for Site Visit to Severna Park 26 MAR 15_Final APPLIED
    This is the official site assessment report dated April 22, 2015 listing all the issues needing fixed and reposted on scribd for Ortega’s blog when he broke the story. Carpenter had 30 days to fix his shitty program and respond in writing.

    25 B A-16131 PI Response to Site Visit Recommendations, Proposal Log N
    Email dated July 2015 re: Carpenter providing the official “Response to Site Visit Recommendations” to clean up his shady practices. Seems he got the required 30-day response in at the last minute, on the day of the deadline.

    Attachment 4 DOD Response APPLIED
    This is a half-assed cobbled together copypasta mess of the issues raised in the site assessment report and Carpenter’s required response in dark red. Also mirrored on scribd when Ortega updated his story.

    Attachment 3 Carpenter Protocol Revision Approval Notice Jun1015 APPLI
    The one and only document from the IRB included in my disclosure, which I find highly suspect. Surely, there is more like this on older issues in the file that I didn’t get. (I’m going to test that theory with another FOIA request.) Anywho, this is the review board’s approval of the late game changes Carpenter had to make his purification ritual protocol (see HEAVY DUTY dox link above) to skate past the site assessment issues.

    Attachment 2 FORM_A 6 10 15 APPLIED
    This appears to be another corrected item from the list of unapproved study document problems identified in the site assessment report. The title is: Initial Telephone Contact and Pre-Screening FORM A - the recruiting script for screening potential participants over the phone. Sure do wish we’d get some input from vets who declined to participate once they were told they would have to give up their much-needed prescription meds during this screening.

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  12. BigBeard Member

    The VA would be one place to start. They have a presentation on CDMRP at:

    One of the things in the presentation that struck me was on a slide related to studies on "Gulf War Illness" that said there would be:

    Which makes me wonder how $cientology's detox program made the cut.

    These guys, U.S. Army Medical Research and Material Command (USAMRMC), appear to be in charge of managing CDMRP programs for the DOD.

    And the U.S. Army Medical Research Acquisition Activity (USAMRAA) look like they hold the purse strings.

    The whole thing got started as part of DOD funding under H.R. 1585 back when. I haven't had time to see if any of the original sponsers for that part of the budget are still around.

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  13. anonsoldier Member

    You want to 'poon USAMRMC. VA is an ENTIRELY different department and not accountable to DoD at all and vice versa. USAMRAA will be a subordinate agency to the command which covers this specific function while command is just that, the command node for all the subordinate agencies and where the big general lives. Harpoons should be fired at both of them.
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  14. anonsoldier Member

    U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command (USAMRMC) General (MG) Brian Lein is the commander. Anything that can get sent to him is gold if he'll read it.
    Otherwise you want to be looking for (from top down) Brigadier General (BG), Colonel (COL), or Lieutenant Colonel (LTC) folks who you can contact.


    Here's the page for Medical R&D:

    I haven't had a chance to start digging in but if anyone encounters a section that they think is promising and is stopped because it requires a login, please let me know. I have DoD access and will try to continue chasing down the rabbit hole for POCs we can 'poon.
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  15. anon8109 Member

    This is a post in an epic thread.
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  16. AnonLover Member

    Thanks anonsoldier! I was hoping an armyfag would show up ITT. Once upon a time you could always count on plenty of military smarts whenever you needed 'em around here. Good to see that still holds true. /SALUTE

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  17. AnonLover Member

    The POC's we want the most, are redacted. You need to dig in here plz, with these documents...
    Page 2 of the letter (1st doc) we have this fkme redaction that needs identified:


    ^^DO WANT HRPO staff list! Especially name and job title for phone number 410-224-2255!!! Do want names of all other personnel with same job title too, once we id WTF HRPO be do is. We need some HRPO havingness ITT guise. STAT.

    Also see page 2 of the email (2nd doc), and do see if we can find who is our b(6)redacted RN with this job title:

    NameNeeded??? RN MSN PMP CIP
    Human Subjects Protection Scientist

    And anyone else in the USAMRAA/HRPO that handles program reviews? And who is their supervisor? (Erm. Dafuq is HRPO??)

    Boredfags can halp look for similar b(6)redacted names of important Army or Uni of Albany POC (point of contact) peeps in other dox as they be reading. The more we find and id, the more targets we can hit.

    Love note to mods - this is not namefagging. This is public records and public servants poon lube. Don't taze me bro. <3
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  18. Human Research Protection Office (HRPO)

    Office of Research Protections (ORP)

    The Office of Research Protections (ORP) ensures that USAMRMC conducted, contracted, sponsored, supported or managed research and U.S. Army Medical Command investigations involving human subjects, human anatomical substances or animals are conducted in accordance with Federal, DoD, Army, USAMRMC, and international regulatory requirements.

    Contact the Office of Research Protections
    Director, Office of Research Protections

    Phone: (301) 619-7550
    For Adverse Event Issues:

    • U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command
      810 Schreider Street
      Fort Detrick, MD 21702-5000
    • Phone: (301) 619-2165 (DSN 343)
    • Fax: (301) 619-7803 (DSN 343)
    Human Research Protection Office

    Chief, Human Subjects Protection Review

    Clinical Investigation Regulatory Office

    Director, Clinical Investigation Regulatory Office

    Institutional Review Board Office

    Director, Institutional Review Board Office

  19. Anonymous Member

    Thank you, camo man!
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  20. AnonLover Member

    Havingness! We have some. <3 me sum camo man.

    Somewhere in the dox, I vaguely recollect 2/3rds of a page of redacted name/signature blocks that made me disappoint. And I seem to recall there were pages after it, so it wasn't at the very end of a file. I'll be looking for that next along with other possibly identifiable name redactions. Unless somebody else spots it first.
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    MD 21401
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    Company Name: MATCARE, LLC

    File Number: W06959860

    Filing State: Maryland (MD)

    Filing Status: Active

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    Company Age: 13 Years, 1 Month

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  22. AnonLover Member

    Doing some general searching on these sites I found the following useful bits.

    Congressional Special Interest Programs (CSI):
    That first bullet, Congressionally Directed Medical Research Programs or CDMRP, seems to also be a key agency to look at. That's the bottleneck point for the money flows coming down stream to the programs managed under MRMC.

    Using the CDMRP's Search Awards & Outcomes page for Gulf War Illness studies:

    Confirms that Carpenter's program has only be given the one appropriation in 2009, in that database, which could be old and dusty.

    On the CDMRP's Gulf War Illness Program (GWIRP) page:

    The most recent info under "Funding Summary" shows that FY 2014 awards were given out in February and June of 2015. None of which list Carpenter's program. So the good news is, the current phase of the study didn't wrap up in time for him to submit for another "Innovative Treatment Evaluation Award" for the fiscal year of 2015. See:

    So good news - based on how the FOIA dox show how slowwwwww the money moves in these programs, we're looking at Carpenter filing for another award to finish the study for FY 2016, that would be paid out in 2017.

    Further digging/searching on the GWIRP information, lead to this old booklet from a few years ago promoting all of the Congressionally Funded Gulf War Illness programs where Carpenter's program gets a passing mention:

    The important info in ^^THAT booklet is the overview and summary explanations on how all these programs are run. From page 2, we get this confirmation that CMDRP is high value target for poonage:
    The next block is also EXTREMELY helpful, where this appears with the following diagram:
    CDMRP Management Cycle Illustration

    The "Programmatic Review" step, just prior to Commanding General approval, is where influence needs swayed imo.

    So this means finding out who CDMRP's IP (Integration Panel) members are, in relation to innovative evaluation awards in the GWIRP, is very relevant to our interests.


    CDMRP Gulf War Illness Program FY15 Integration Panel:

    Anthony Hardie, former Staff Sergeant US Army (Chair)
    Florida Veterans for Common Sense

    Roberta F. White, Ph.D. (Chair Emeritus)
    Boston University School of Public Health

    Fiona Crawford, Ph.D.
    Roskamp Institute

    Daniel Havlichek, M.D.
    Michigan State University

    CAPT Mark Lyles, D.M.D., Ph.D.
    United States Naval War College

    Carlos Maldonado, Ph.D.
    U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs

    K. Jeffrey Myers, M.D.
    U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs

    Marni Silverman, Ph.D.
    Henry M. Jackson Foundation for the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences

    Andrea White, Ph.D.
    University of Utah

    David K. Winnett, Jr., Captain USMC Retired
    Veterans for Common Sense

    DO WANT additional details for turning the above list of POC's (point of contact) into reachable targets. (addys, phones, etc.)

    Moar on this stuff later tonight when I have more time to dig thru other stuff.
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  23. AnonLover Member

    Crossposting a tentative 'poon firing gameplan from RFTTP in response to BB's suggested tactic of including the VA in our harpooning strategy:,7665.msg36088.html#msg36088

    I'm not saying this is what we should do. I'm saying this is what I am considering doing, personally, once I get done chasing the FOIA loose ends. Due to how slowwwwww the money moves, and Carpenter's well documented history of "serious roadblocks" tripping him up, I reckon we got until the end of the year to do this and doitrite with full force. Which means, there is no reason to be dashing off half-assed harpoons into the ether of never-never land for the sake of "something is better than nothing."

    1. Write an Open Letter to the CDMRP Commanding General and GWIRP IP Members I just identified upstream ITT.

    (Possibly add whatever congress critter committee has a role in these things. I don't know who that is ATM???)

    2. In that letter, request that all future funding be denied unless certain issues are addressed. And identify a short ammo list of the falsehoods, misrepresentations, major problems and oversights in the original proposal/protocol and other FOIA dox.

    3. Post that Open Letter on as a petition and spread it far and wide.

    4. Harpoon veterans groups, including the VA, to also support and promote the petition.

    No Profit! (for scilon scam to get more funding)

    If there is enough support for executing such a gameplan amongst my fellow anons, then perhaps the mods will consider giving us a situation room subforum for this thread and the ability to split off more threads dedicated to different steps in the plan and dissecting different documents to use in said open letter / petition.
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  24. Good call AL. This does appear to be the best point in the chain of command to break the next funding cycle from being successfully submitted, reviewed, recommended for funding and getting another grant award approved by the Commanding General.

    The CDMRP Twitter profile is a reliable source for tracking the latest announcements in real time on new programs and funding awards:
    Don't rule out additional FY 2015 awards until we can confirm the total budget for GWI programs has been recommended for funding
    CDMRP Research Funding for 2015
    Dollar amounts need found, for the total amount of funding requested in each of the proposals for the FY 2014 programs recommended for funding listed here:

    IF those dollar amounts can be found, we need to calculate the grand total of programs recommended for funding and see how close the GWIRP IP list of recommendations is to maxing out the spending limit on that 20mil budget. Whatever balance of $$$ they don't recommend for funding in FY 2015, will carry over to FY 2016.

    Your newsletter can count me as a subscriber. This sounds like a reasonable gameplan that might get shit done.
  25. AnonLover Member

    Ouch. That might be tough. It took me 2-3 hours just to find the official proposal number for the first grant award to use in my 2nd FOIA Request. And I don't recall seeing dollar values on the published proposals during all that googlefu work.

    I'm not even sure if they publish the proposals before an award is granted? You would think getting the IP Recommendation for Funding would automatically get it published to the CDMRP website, but they don't bother listing the proposal numbers and program titles on that list of FY 2014 programs recommended for funding. All that gives me is the primary researcher names. :(

    But I'll give it whirl. Along with picking up where I left off this morning, and tracking down the congressional committee/subcommittee that has responsibility for CDMRP ("Congressionally Directed Medical Research Programs") oversight.

    ...later though. After today's NASCAR night race is over.
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  26. The House Armed Services Committee sets the budget for all things DoD

    The Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee would be the congress critters to target for complaints about the USAMRMC and CDMRP



    The Senate Committee on Armed Services is also a factor. They seem to mostly tell the DoD how to waste their money and get our soldiers killed. But they likely do more than that. There isn't any subcommittee here relevant to our interests so I wouldn't look too hard in this direction.

    We also have the House Committee of Veteran Affairs, but they only manage the VA. While the Senate Committee of Veterans Affairs handles other benefit and assistance programs. These congress critters might be useful secondary targets, to ask for their support of the open letter. But if we add a government body to the address list, House Armed Services Oversight Subcommittee would be the one we want to hit.
  27. DeathHamster Member

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  28. wolfbane Member


    I got this!
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  29. Intelligence Member

    Would love to see some $$$ amounts and get a Wire Service story published, then send
    the story and numbers to Associated Press and other interested Media...
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  30. BigBeard Member

    One thing odd about IAofDS is they have almost no income from delivery of services. The majority of their income falls under the "Gifts, grants, contributions, and membership fees received (not including 'unusual grants')" portion of their 990's. By year it breaks down like this:

    IAofDS - Gifts, grants, contributions, and membership fees received (not including "unusual grants"):

    2002 - $577,847
    2003 - $792,016
    2004 - $1,671,896
    2005 - $1,858,805
    2006 - $969,458
    2007 - $1,451,180
    2008 - $1,012,175
    2009 - $532,577
    2010 - $206,608
    2011 - $1,014,852
    2012 - $452,223
    2013 - $445,625
    Total - $$10,985,262.00

    Unfortunately, there's no requirement to show where the 'Gifts, grants, contributions, and membership fees' came from. Or to break out how much of the entered amount came from each. A quick check shows It doesn't appear to come from ABLE or NN Int. IAS maybe?

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  31. wolfbane Member

    CDMRP Gulf War Illness Program
    FY15 Integration Panel DOX:

    Anthony Hardie, former Staff Sergeant US Army (Chair)
    Florida Veterans for Common Sense

    Email: admin [at]

    Veterans for Common Sense
    900 Second St., NE
    Suite 216
    Washington, DC 20002 AnthonyHardie/about

    Congressional Panel Recommends Strong Funding for Gulf War Illness Treatment Research Program
    *Updated June 2, 2015, 3:30 p.m.: The bill has now cleared the full House Appropriations Committee with full GWI funding.
    -Anthony Hardie, 6 Jun 2015

    The program is supported by numerous national veterans service organizations, including the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Disabled American Veterans, AMVETS, Vietnam Veterans of America, Sergeant Sullivan Center, National Vietnam and Gulf War Veterans Coalition, Paralyzed Veterans of America, and Veterans for Common Sense.

    Roberta F. White, Ph.D. (Chair Emeritus)
    Boston University School of Public Health
    Email: rwhite [at]

    Published on April 28, 2014
    Gulf War Illness: New Report Lauds Treatment Research, Confirms Toxic Causes

    Witness Testimony: Hearing on 07/30/2009: The Implications of U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs' Limited Scope of Gulf War Illness Research

    Fiona Crawford, Ph.D.
    Roskamp Institute

    Roskamp Institute
    2040 Whitfield Ave.
    Sarasota, FL 34243
    Phone: 941-752-2949

    Gulf War Illness Program at Roskamp Institute

    Daniel Havlichek, M.D.
    Michigan State University
    138 Service Rd a225, East Lansing, MI 48823
    (517) 353-4941

    Professor of Medicine & Microbiology
    Chief of the Division of Infectious Disease
    Infectious Diseases Fellowship Program Director
    Clinic Address: A205 Clinical Center
    Clinic Phone: 517-353-4941
    Academic Address: B320 Life Sciences
    Academic Phone: 517-353-3128
    daniel.havlichek [at]

    CAPT Mark Lyles, D.M.D., Ph.D.
    United States Naval War College

    Captain, Dental Corps, United States Navy
    VADM Joel T. Boone Chair of Health and Security StudiesCenter for Naval Warfare Studies
    U.S. Naval War College
    686 Cushing Road
    Newport, RI 02841-1207
    mark.lyles [at]
    office: 401-841-6885

    Carlos Maldonado, Ph.D.
    U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs

    Orlando VA Medical Center
    Researcher Officer
    Research Service (151)
    5201 Raymond Street
    Lakemont Bldg., Suite 118
    Orlando, FL 32803
    Tel: (407) 646-4087 Alt: 407-631-4022
    E-mail: Carlos.Maldonado2 [at]
    Department of Veterans Affairs
    810 Vermont Avenue, Nw
    Washington Dc , District of Columbia 20420

    K. Jeffrey Myers, M.D.
    U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
    Malcom Randall VA Medical Center
    1601 SW Archer Rd, Gainesville, FL 32608
    Phone: 352-376-1611 Or 800-324-8387

    Dr. Kenneth “Jeff” Myers
    Part Time Emergency Medicine Clinical Faculty
    University of Florida, Department of Emergency Medicine

    Marni Silverman, Ph.D.
    Henry M. Jackson Foundation for the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences

    Senior Scientist; Dept. Military and Emergency Medicine, USUHS

    Henry M. Jackson Foundation for the Advancement of Military Medicine
    6720-A Rockledge Drive, Suite 100
    Bethesda, MD 20817
    Main Phone Number 240-694-2000

    Andrea White, Ph.D.
    University of Utah,_PhD/contact/index.hml

    The University of Utah
    250 S. 1850 E.
    HPER East
    Salt Lake City, UT 84112

    andrea.white [at]
    Phone 801-573-5387

    David K. Winnett, Jr., Captain USMC Retired
    Veterans for Common Sense

    Veterans for Common Sense
    900 Second St., NE
    Suite 216
    Washington, DC 20002

    Submission For The Record of Mr. David K. Winnett, Jr., Gulf War Veteran

    Presentation - David Winnett, IOM Gulf War Illness "CMI" Panel.
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  33. DeathHamster Member

    Have you checked FASE? Since it's the flip-side of the same operation, that would be the first place to look.
  34. BigBeard Member

    Not FASE either. What grants they paid out, mostly in the $5,000 range, either went to the "Hero" detox scam or "Green" crap. Both of which sit at desks in the same office as FASE.

  35. AnonLover Member

    Damn. There is a lot of smart, skilled, well-connected people on the IP list! Two are from the VA so no surprise BB found a CMDRP GWIRP presentation on that site. That's an encouraging audience to target. To put that list of names into context, the Integration Panel (IP) is the 2nd tier of review in the CMDRP Management Cycle diagram I posted upstream from the GWIRP brochure published in the same year Carpenter got his original approval. Here's an updated version of the same diagram and description from the 2014 brochure:


    The first tier of review is a pool of unknown scientists, who should have raised questions about the original proposal and protocol, making it a no-brainer for the IP rejection of this program. We need to right that wrong by listing the errors, omissions, conflicts of interests not disclosed, etc. ITT. But more on that later. Today, I'm digging into the balance available on 2015 funding and related $$$ issues.

    See pages 2-3 in the above brochure link for big-picture numbers, plus the following info I'll be dumping downstream. The key factoids to note is the GWIRP program has been given a total of $20M in funding for fiscal years 2013-2016. This 20mil in appropriations is spread across several categories, Carpenter's Scientology Purification program scam falls under the Innovative Treatment Evaluation Award that gets a $700,000 slice of that pie. Annually.

    On the money front, and list of secondary targets to hit, this is a great find!
    Anthony Hardie appears to be pretty cool guy. He goes all out for his fellow vets. I can't help but wonder how he'll feel when he finds out this whole shittin' thing is a scam, based on dangerous pseudoscience and bogus premises that amounts to subjecting GWI vets to toxic levels of niacin and other vitamins.

    Regarding funding, the following document shows the breakdown of money by award category for FY 2015. Key excerpt below that shows camo man was right - we do need to worry about Carpenter getting a recommendation for additional funding for the current fiscal year.



    Note those deadlines. Carpenter is likely preparing his next proposal for additional funding, despite the fact his first phase of research FAILED hard at getting anywhere near the 50 participants he wanted and ran way longer than the 3-year max period. Once that last deadline is past, I will file another FOIA request asking for any newly submitted proposal. And prior to that I'll file on things that seemed to be suspiciously missing from my first disclosure.

    Which leads bak to this...
    The FY 2014 Innovative Treatment Evaluation Proposals that passed through the 2-tier review process and were recommended for funding by the CMDRP IP in 2015 include these programs.

    Institution - Principal Investigator
    Western Institute for Biomedical Research - Ashok Tuteja
    Beth Israel Medical Center New York - Benjamin Natelson
    Boston University Medical Campus - Rosemary Toomey
    New England School of Acupuncture, Inc. - Lisa Conboy
    Roskamp Institute - Fiona Crawford

    Checkout that last name! Ms. Crawford is listed as a member of the 2015 IP group. How does a 2nd level peer reviewer get their own program in queue for funding without raising red flags??? Not cool.

    Next step - search out documents dumped on the CMDRP website to see what if any details about the programs proposed by the names above can be found. And hopefully find the amount of funding requested by each proposal, so we can see how much of the $700,000 pie is possibly left for 2015 grants. (I'm on this next)

    Also wanted - more eyes digging into these dox for the major issues/problems we can list in the open letter to cockblock further funding:

    Original Proposal:

    Revised Protocol:

    And I'm still hoping anonsoldier or some other armyfag can get a USAMR** and/or CMDRP staff directories or personnel list. So we can identify more recipients to address the open letter to beyond the ones already identified (IP members, CMDRP Commanding General, relevant House subcommittee members)
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  36. DeathHamster Member

    I bet he's playing games with the number of participants.

    i.e. not counting them as part of the study until they've been doing it for a while, then retroactively sliding them in if they're favorable, and never counting them if unfavorable or have problems.
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  37. wolfbane Member

    Nice! We have a dedicated situation room subforum. Good call mods.

    < goes off to report related threads from past years for moving >

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