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USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

Discussion in 'Celebrity News' started by DiaSciRev, Jun 28, 2009.

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  1. Anonymous Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    I would like to know how many parents of students at Woll Smoth's skool have joined scientology, or have been badgered to join (however subtlely), since the start.

    Just thought I'd throw that in there.
  2. anonymous1312 Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Snake, first of all are you saying you went to the Will Smith school and personally talked with the staff?

    Second, as has been pointed out study tech is not particularly revolutionary in its concepts. The real problems arise from how the concepts are dogmatically applied; they are applied in a manner which suppresses critical thought, introduces L Ron Hubbard "tech" and prepares the child for exposure to the "confusion techniques" - ref Ericsonian Hypnosis - used in the L Ron Hubbard texts.

    Third, everyone gets in to the organisation calling itself the church of scientology because they believe it is helping them. As has also been stated it is not so much the beliefs of the individuals but the harm perpetrated by the organisation that they support; any benefits afforded to a few individuals is far outweighed by the harm the organisation causes and its harmful intentions.

    Jada and Will both support and promote the organisation. They have opened a school using the organisations' study technology and while they claim not to pay fees the implied endorsement has value to the organisation. Will has handed out free stress test vouchers(?) at post production parties. Both indirectly promote the organisation while attempting to distance themselves from it. Celebrity apologists for the organisation might as well be fully signed up members. Will Smith scored some points by talking with some Anonymous but he and Jada just keep banging on about the organisation and still operate the school acknowledging the fact they use "study tech" principals.
  3. Oswald2001 Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Don't forget they have a staff full of $cilons at the school.
  4. Anonymous Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    do they know or don't they care?
    allow me to speak pratically;
    it doesn't matter to me one whit
    celeb endorsement gives an air of factuality

    so fuck em
  5. Herro Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    No Ann, the burden of proof lies with those making accusations. That's just how it works. If the burden of proof lies on those saying they're not scientologists, then everyone on this site is possibly a scilon until "proven" otherwise. And we all know how well situations such as those have worked out throughout history.

    You can speculate all you want obviously. I'm just saying that the speculation appears to be based upon very weak evidence and that the conclusions drawn from that speculation appear to be rather unlikely.
  6. YAHRLY Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    no to up on the concept of total war, huh?
  7. Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    So Herro, you're not only saying that we have no proof that the smiff's are scientologists, but it is actually unlikely that they are?

    Are you fer serious?
  8. Herro Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Yes I am.
  9. RightOn Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    question. Herro...
    Do you think it is right what they are doing? Yes or no and why
    Their school with the LRH tech, them handing out Scio crap as wrap presents, donating a shit load of $ to the Celebrity center?
  10. nightfire Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Hey look a LOGICAL, RATIONAL, Format for debate and discussion use it fags!

    Lets go through all the evidence and the arguments FOR and AGAINST the Smith's being Scientologists.
    (though either way they are shilling for the cult and that is bad)

    1. They give out wrap gifts that promote Scientology.
    2. They use Study Tech
    3. They give money to Scientology
    4. They have Scientologist friends

    Am I missing any?

    Responses should be in (F=For, A=Against) format like this

    1. F: I think that this shows they ARE Scientologists because...
    A: But this is another reason to explain the behaviour

    Ready GO!
    (I am formating my responses too)
  11. Herro Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    No I do not like them helping out the church. As for the school, as long as the parents are informed about the study tech up front then I'm fine with that.
  12. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    To keep the judicial analogy - we are not a court - I think we have enough elements to indict the Smiths. It would be good to have them answering a few questions.
  13. RightOn Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    HUH????
    You do realize that the tech braiwashes kids? and you are ok with that?
    And you are still calling them a church? why?
    *shakes head*
    I guess to each his own, but I don't understand you Herro, sorry.
  14. Xenuphobe Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Which raises the interesting question of how much information is required to actually "inform" a parent about the facts of what Study Tech is and does.
  15. RightOn Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Here Herro, I found this, do you still agree the tech is ok to teach now????

    Even if parents where told what the tech is (which if told by Scios, it is not what it actually is)
    what makes you think they are being told what it really does?

    EDITED.. it was too much about Hubbard and auditing children,
    the following is better

    Monica Pignotti, Cult Intervention Specialist and former Scientologist, wrote a paper to show how mind control is used in Scientology.

    She wrote about the cognitive dissonance theory, behavior control, emotional control, thought control and information control.

    “The major premise of the Scientology study techniques is that there is no legitimate reason to disagree with anything written by L. Ron Hubbard. If a person on a course has a disagreement, they are immediately referred back to the materials to find what word they have “misunderstood”. Anyone who no longer wishes to continue on a course is also said to have misunderstood words that must be found and “cleared”. Thus, there is no legitimate reason, according to Scientologists to disagree or to want to leave and anyone who does is forced to internalize the blame within themselves. [Wow, that's got to do wonders for a child's self esteem.]

    No verbal discussions of the course materials among students or with the supervisor is allowed. If the student has a question, all the supervisor is allowed to do is to say “What do your materials state” and to find “misunderstood words”. This gives the students no opportunity to get any feedback whether other students are experiencing the same doubts they might be experiencing themselves. The whole course environment is very tightly controlled.”
  16. Oswald2001 Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    There is nothing...I repeat...nothing...of the positive components in Elron's so-called 'study tech' that he didn't steal from someone else.

    Basically, it's things like:

    - Learn 'amounts' of knowledge that are right for you. Not too much. Not too little.

    - Go at a pace that is right for you. Not too fast. Not too slow.

    - If you don't understand a word, go look it up.



    This is all simple common sense.

    Why call sound principles that have been in use for thousands of years 'LRH tech'?

    In different worlds, these time worn principles might be attributed to Comrade Stalin, the Fuhrer, Comrade Mao, Great-Dear-Brilliant Leader(s), etc. to build a CULT of personality.

    The only reason it is attributed to Elron is so that it can be used as an indoctrination tool for the Evil $pace Alien Mind Control CULT.



    Pro tip: Elron stole everything he espoused and used. All of it.

    He never invented one single thing. Including CULT behavior and manipulation.


    Elron was a complete predatory sociopath. His CULT is a completely predatory sociopathic CULT.





    I would love to see the public really make the link between the Smith and the Evil $pace Alien Mind Control CULT.

    That would make both of them 'box office poison'.

    Once the cash flow starts dwindling, the Smiths will all of a sudden...'see the light' and distance themselves from the CULT.
  17. Namenlos Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    But Scientology works and it helps people?

    (probably already said, but too lazy to go through 11 pages, FFS).
  18. Anonymous Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    lrn2logic.

    "person X lied/was in denial. Therefore, unrelated person Y lies/is in denial."

    I see what you did there....
  19. Herro Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    The "tech" you're talking about in and of itself doesn't brainwash anyone. Only when it's used as part of doing scientology courses does it serve that function. All the smiths' school is taking from it is the hands on learning, the learning gradually, and looking up words the kids don't understand. None of that is brainwashing unless it's used in conjunction with studying scientology. I've already said I don't think study tech is something useful- but it's not brainwashing in this context either.

    As for calling it a church, why not? It is a church. It's a religious group. Church is a perfectly appropriate name and it's what they call themselves.

    Ok, but again, they're not teaching scientology in that school. The use of study tech in that school isn't connected to the idea that there is no legitimate reason to disagree with anything written by L Ron Hubbard. That's an interesting little piece you posted but, since the kids in this school aren't learning scientology it really isn't relevant.
  20. Oswald2001 Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"


    lrn2read

    lrn2notjumptoconclusions


    The point is, you can't necessarily rely on what people say all of the time.

    An emphatic unequivocal statement is not necessarily the truth.

    The MJ statement is an example of such.



    You did not see what I did there.



    In order to do that, you would have had to have read...and understood...the arguments posited over several posts.

    You didn't. Obviously.
  21. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Who is making unsubstantied claims now ?
    Only scientologists call it a church.
    Please stop taking their words for granted.

    TL;DR Best piece of apology today. Congratulations !
  22. RavenEyes Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"


    When you say "informed", you're referring to it consisting of mindless rote drivel without any pedagogical backbone to it, amirite?
  23. crockhat Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    An unrelated anecdote about denial does not show anything in this case, though.

    However, applying occams razor would appear to scream SMITHS ARE SCILONS OOOOH YEAH.
  24. Herro Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Ann, until I have something to go on other than their words, I have to assume they are telling the truth because I really have no reason to believe otherwise at this point. Is it possible they're lying? Of course, but that doesn't mean that they are lying or even that it's likely they're lying. Until people come out and start saying- they were trying to teach my kids scientology in that school- then I have no reason to believe that they aren't telling the truth.
  25. YAHRLY Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"


    They're not teaching Mein Kampf they're just teaching Aryan philosphy
    right?

    GODWINNED
  26. RightOn Member

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  27. RavenEyes Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"


    ^ EXACTLY THIS
  28. Herro Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Heh. You're right it is a joke. But hey, if parents like that approach, it's their decision.
    I just meant that parents should know that part of the pedagogical approach is taken from a teaching philosophy developed by the founder of scientology.
  29. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    They already are: study tech is scientology.
  30. Anonymous Member

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  31. Herro Member

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  32. RavenEyes Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"


    Yes, they SHOULD know where it was taken from. In addition, they need information on who selected the school's curricula, why it was selected over COUNTLESS other truly effective instructional strategies (including valid studies to substantiate any claims), and what amount of payment the CULT is receiving for the use of its fail pseudo invalid learning techniques/materials.


    Ooohh - "hands on" learning. What a unique concept. LOL Might want to look at Howard Gardner instead of Study Tech, Will and Jada.
  33. crockhat Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Study Tech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    'It was publicly stated by Hubbard that study tech is directly affiliated with Scientology. He wrote in a policy letter that "Study Tech is our primary bridge to Society." '
  34. RightOn Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

  35. crockhat Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Also, there's not actually much to study tech - it's all kind of obvious - "understand the words" etc.
    And there are diddly squat studies showing any particular efficacy to it.
    So, why bother inventing it/using it, unless there is an ulterior motive?
  36. RavenEyes Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    that was kinda my point...
  37. Herro Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    So is Jada a scilon yet?
  38. Ann O'Nymous Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    I am sorry to state this, but based on what Herro said in this thread, it is either an apologist, a scientologist or an idiot. It seems too intelligent to be an idiot. It seems too artiulate to be a sientologist. Much likely, it is an apologist.
  39. crockhat Member

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  40. Mutante Member

    Re: USA Today: Jada Pinkett Smith - "I want people to know who I really am"

    Does LRH Study Tech require the use of a special LRH dictionary?

    Maybe this is a good description of LRH Study Tech, exs would know:
    Scientology's Study Technology - Essay - Dr. David Touretzky and Chris Owen

    Without being certain how much genuine LRH Study Tech is implemented at the Smith school it's impossible to know for sure how close their methods are to Scientology.

    None of which tells us whether Will or Jada are Scientologists.
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