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Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

Discussion in 'Leaks & Legal' started by firebug, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. RedOrbifold Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    gentlemen, this may well be the moment we've been waiting for.
    this epic win for france, plus the abc news coverage and the almost daily dropping out of high ranking scilons from the cult seems to be the beginning of the end of the beginning of the end
  2. Anonymous Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    I especially like that they need to publish the verdict ON THEIR OWN WEBSITES - they can hardly put their own websites on the netnanny list or forbid their members to look at them. People inside are already wavering - and now THIS.

    Also: LOL@ the $cilons "Modern Inquisition"-bullshit.

    J'aime tous de vous, mes amis francais! Allet les bleu! ^^
  3. Olrik Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    This. We will enjoy some link when available!...
  4. Olrik Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Unfortunately NOT.
    Fenech talked about this on a tv interview. An appeal "uses" the same law.
  5. 4Dlulz Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    crap, well, I apologize, I am an americunt and not up to date on european law.
  6. Olrik Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    No problem. Even here in France, the guys writing the laws are not at the top. They don't even read what they sign sometimes.
  7. NCSP Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Okay, two questions:

    1) Did the judges indicate that if it weren't for the technicality they would have been for banning?

    2) What exactly would be the nature of the publication Scientology's required to do? Would it be like a disclaimer on all Scn ads going forward, or just a one-time full-page ad buy?

    Anyway, WIN!! :D
  8. Paroxetine Samurai Moderator

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in



    Ladies, Gentlemen, Trolls, OSA, Faggots, Niggers, and anybody else: The moment we have been waiting for has arrived! Scilon's boats are sinking... Slappy Miscavage is being revealed as the slap happy midget squirrel nut job that he is...

    If this isn't the best time to live in, I don't know what is!

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z6dxQVhE8o"]YouTube - Jesus Jones - Right Here Right Now[/nomedia]
  9. Olrik Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    As I recall it, they explicitely indicated that banning the cult would have been a bad idea.

    Don't know exactly.
  10. Salojin Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    I want so badly to cheer, but I must say it:

    STAY ON TARGET

    We're clearly winning, keep the victories coming. Halloween is upon us, Gentlemen.

    Get out there and fag it up.
  11. xoixoi1 Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    ^^^ this.

    The round is won but the fight continues.
  12. LRonAnon Member

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    Because its worth seeing again.
  13. 4Dlulz Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    I see what you did there
  14. Anonymous Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    If ya'll really want the most mileage out of this, assuming ya'll still have some influence with how this shit gets reported...
    Help the press report that Scientology was convicted of fraud and of running an unlicensed pharmacy in connection with the very same 'purification rundown' that Travolta's son was subjected to sometime prior to his untimely death.

    2+2, my friends.
  15. HellRazor Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Tell me that's NOT a shoop.
  16. 4Dlulz Member

  17. LRonAnon Member

  18. Namenlos Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    This thread is way TL;DR already, I'm guessing it's already been said, but on Radio 4 they were saying they couldn't ban Scientology outright due to a loophole in the law. RAEG.

    Also,

    "This is an important and historic decision because it is the first time that Scientology has been found guilty of involvement in organized fraud,"

    I came.
  19. Obi-Wan-anon Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Read the thread, and I must say that so far, it appears to be a win.

    1. This sets precident. Any future naughty acts will see these results as part of a new trial, one that WILL have the disbanding as a possibility.

    2. Remember the St Pete newspaper flak. You can guarantee that the cult will do all they can to buy as many copies of the affected publications as possible. They'll also have some licence as to the wording of their "ad".

    3. Admission of the fraud on their own sites. More likely, their "announcement" of the fraud will be used as a centerpiece to get more money (help the church pay off these "immoral" fines).

    4. Expect another Freedom mag issue, detailing all the gory facts about those involved.
  20. XenuPhobic Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    WTF, CNN has now changed the headline from "French court convicts Church of Scientology of fraud" to "Scientologists call verdict 'inquisition'".

    Methinks the Scino legal team has got to them or maybe OSAOSAOSA.
  21. Sponge Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Here we go again. Boofuckinghoo! Oh how my heart doesn't bleed for you.....

    inquisition.jpg

    The thing is, it was a simple fraud case. No religions, fake or otherwise, were harmed in the making of this movie.
  22. Django Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    George Fenech, from the Reuters article:

    "The system has now been put in place by parliament and it is certain that in the future, if new offenses are committed, a ban could eventually be pronounced".

    IF new offenses are committed? IF?

    Committing offenses is what Scilons do. The "church" can't properly operate without committing offenses.

    Pretty confident that the French authorities are gonna be on them like body thetans, as will our pal George (who's head of a cult watch-group).

    This is going to come up again...
  23. Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Could be Endgame/Cascade, or maybe not yet-either way=DELICIOUS! Hey scifags, how does that big Moxin "win" against CA feel to you now?
  24. Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Correct. The tldr is that, if b&, Scifaggotry would continue in some other form.
  25. MongoLloyd Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Or maybe they just decided to go with a more sensationalist headline.
  26. Django Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Good point - better to keep the current organization intact and just litigate the hell out of 'em every time they get caught scamming people.
  27. POS Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    So I'm watching headline news. Yep.
    They said the controversial church of scientology convicted of fraud : )

    I got chills and shit. Twice LOL
  28. Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    brb, buying every French flag in London for the next raid
  29. Re: French Convictions: Media Deluge

    Might be just as well they weren't b&'d. Now they can't play the martyr card.
  30. ElenaP Member

    Re: French Convictions: Media Deluge

    ROFL!!!

    The French church spokeperson .......Roux just told CNN that the church is expanding and that they just opened a gourgous church in. Rome, Italy, AAAANDDDD!!! that they have 12 million members around the world!!!
  31. OHSHI Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    NOPE!

    Controversy sells advertising, this is their main concern. "Inquisition" carries more interest than "Scientology fraud".

    This is a historic day. Lmao.
  32. POS Member

    Re: French Convictions: Media Deluge

    I found out watching headline news : )

    Been avoiding wwp because the lulz was dead and herro infested.
    I consider this a major win and giant leap for mankind.
  33. Anonymous Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    Kendrick Moxon tell us how you feel about your cult being convicted in France of organized fraud and illegal exercise of pharmacy.
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  34. getbeckyout Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    French Branch of Scientology Convicted of Fraud
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    LinkedinDiggFacebookMixxMySpaceYahoo! BuzzPermalinkBy STEVEN ERLANGER
    Published: October 27, 2009
    PARIS — The French branch of the Church of Scientology was convicted of fraud and fined nearly $900,000 on Tuesday by a Paris court. But the judges did not ban the church entirely, as the prosecution had demanded, saying that a change in the law prevented such an action for fraud. The church said it would appeal.

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    Patrick Maisonneuve, the lawyer of the French branch of the Church of Scientology, spoke to the media after the sentence at a Paris court on Friday.

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    Times Topics: ScientologyThe verdict was among the most important in several years to involve the group, which is registered as a religion in the United States but has no similar legal protection in France. It is considered a sect here, and says it has some 45,000 adherents, out of some 12 million worldwide. It was the first time here that the church itself had been tried and convicted, as opposed to individual members.

    The case was brought by two former members who said they were pushed into paying large sums of money in the 1990s, pressed to sign up for expensive “purification courses” and harassed to buy a variety of vitamins and other forms of pharmaceuticals, plus electronic tests to measure spiritual progress. One woman said she had been pressured into spending more than $30,000.

    The major fines were rendered against the Scientology Celebrity Center in Paris and a Scientology bookstore. Six group leaders were convicted of fraud, with four given suspended sentences of 10 months to two years. One of them, the group’s leader in France, Alain Rosenberg, was given a two-year suspended sentence and fined $44,700. Two others were given only fines, of $1,490 and $2,980.

    The judges said the individuals had avoided jail in part because of efforts by the church “to change its practices.”

    There have been other cases brought against individual Scientologists in France, but this is the first time the organization was charged for its methods of functioning.

    Olivier Morice, a lawyer for the plaintiffs, said: “This is an historic decision. It’s the first time in France that the entity of the Church of Scientology is condemned for fraud as an organized gang,” as opposed to simply individual members. He said that the tribunal “expressed its will to maintain the structure of Scientology in order to make it easier to control,” adding that “it gave this decision a national and international dimension so that potential victims can be warned of the methods of Scientology.”

    Catherine Picard, who runs an association to help victims of sects, called the verdict “subtle enough and intelligent,” saying that it would help control Scientology in France, and expressed the hope that the state would be “more vigilant.” She said that “Scientology can no longer hide behind freedom of conscience.”

    A spokeswoman for the church, Agnès Bron, called the verdict “an Inquisition for modern times.”

    The Church of Scientology is based in Los Angeles. It was founded in 1954 by the writer L. Ron Hubbard. Belgium, Germany and other European countries have been criticized by the State Department for labeling Scientology a cult or sect and enacting laws to restrict its operations.
  35. getbeckyout Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    BBC UK

    Scientologists convicted of fraud

    Scientology's Celebrity Centre in Paris was fined in the ruling
    A French court has convicted the Church of Scientology of fraud, but stopped short of banning the group from operating in France.

    Two branches of the group's operations and several of its leaders in France have been fined.

    The case came after complaints from two women, one of whom said she was manipulated into paying more than 20,000 euros (£18,100) in the 1990s.

    A Scientology spokesman told the BBC the verdict was "all bark and no bite".

    France regards Scientology as a sect, not a religion.

    Prosecutors had asked for the group's French operations to be dissolved and more heavily fined, but a legal loophole prevented any ban.

    Instead, a Paris judge ordered the Church's Celebrity Centre and a bookshop to pay a 600,000-euro fine.

    Alain Rosenberg, the group's head in France, was handed a two-year suspended jail sentence and fined 30,000 euros.

    Three other leading members of the group were also fined.

    Ban 'still possible'

    Unlike the US, France has always refused to recognise Scientology as a religion, arguing that it is a purely commercial operation designed to make as much money as it can at the expense of often vulnerable victims, the BBC's Emma Jane Kirby reports from Paris.


    Religious freedom is in danger in this country

    Eric Roux
    French Celebrity Centre spokesman
    Over the past 10 years, France has taken several individual members of the group to court on charges of fraud and misleading publicity, but this is the first time the organisation itself has been charged, she says.

    Tommy Davis, spokesman for the Church of Scientology International, told BBC News that the court had acted "in total violation of the European Convention on Human Rights and French constitutional guarantees on freedom".

    The case "fell flat on its face", he said.

    "The fines will get thrown out on appeal. We've had similar cases before and in other countries. If it has to go to the court of human rights we're confident we will win there."

    Speaking by phone from the US, he said it was a "political gesture" against the organisation, but "Scientology will continue to grow in France".

    The Church of Scientology was founded in 1954 by the late science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard, and includes Hollywood stars such as John Travolta and Tom Cruise.

    Manipulation claims

    In the case leading up to Tuesday's ruling, a woman said she was sold expensive life-improvement courses, vitamins and other products after taking a personality test.

    A second woman alleges she was fired by her Scientologist boss after refusing to undergo testing and sign up to courses.

    The organisation denied that any mental manipulation took place.

    The court was unable to impose a ban because of a legal amendment that was passed just before the trial began, preventing the banning of an organisation convicted of fraud.

    However, that amendment has now been changed.

    "It is very regrettable that the law quietly changed before the trial," Georges Fenech, the head of the Inter-ministerial Unit to Monitor and Fight Cults, told French TV.

    "The system has now been put in place by parliament and it is certain that in the future, if new offences are committed, a ban could eventually be pronounced," he said.

    A lawyer defending Scientology's operations in France said there would be an appeal.

    Eric Roux, a spokesman for the Celebrity Centre, urged France to recognise Scientology's "legality".

    "Religious freedom is in danger in this country," he said.
  36. OHSHI Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    More relevant than ever...

  37. EyeOnSci Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    This^^^^

    Guess who is at cause now, you insidious nasty cult.
  38. Boris Korczak Member

    Re: Verdict: GUILTY! French trial verdicts are in

    What better news could we get than this verdict.
    The cult is a disgrace, a fraud and an abuser of human rights and Anonymous all around the world through its protests got CO$ kicked in the butt.
    Bravo French Judicial System. Could we borrow it here in USA?

    Stay safe.
    BK
  39. TomVorm Member

    Re: French Convictions: Media Deluge

    According to the report now appearing at cnn.com:

    French court convicts Church of Scientology of fraud - CNN.com

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