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Warren Jeffs church elders arrested in food stamp fraud

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by meep meep, Mar 7, 2016.

  1. meep meep Member

    https://www.justice.gov/usao-ut/pr/...hurch-leaders-conspiracy-divert-snap-benefits
    The indictment alleges that starting in about 2011, FLDS leaders, including Lyle Jeffs, instituted the “United Order” within the ranks of the Church. Participation in the United Order purports to constitute the highest level of worthiness and spiritual preparedness in the church. Devout FLDS members aspire to eligibility in the United Order. Adherents to the United Order must donate all of their material assets to the FLDS Storehouse, a communal clearinghouse charged with collecting and disbursing commodities to the community. United Order policy also dictates that members must obtain their food and household commodities solely through the FLDS Storehouse, according to the indictment.
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  2. anon8109 Member

    Religious extremist leaders always talk a good game about the spiritual world and the afterlife, but somehow they also care very deeply about followers giving them money, and a lot of it.

    Why is money so closely connected to higher levels of spirituality?
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  3. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Where are these mofo's when there's a cult of toxic corruption like Hubbard's CoS that has been stringing people along for years in its fuckery? Hellllllooooooo! Seriously folks, there has been literally years of people shouting out about cult of scientology, crimes? Oh yeh in spades, over and over again, yet, and I suspect having a legal team at work for them, it seems to fly under their radar on a regular basis.
    How about a wee peek at Flag, for example, where the wonderful (lolol) regs there ,for years, encouraged people to apply for student grants, welfare, equity loans, maxing out credit, all the fun stuff... And for what? Where did all that money go? Well, I suspect, and could be wrong, but there's no doubt in my mind it all now sits in the off-shore accounts of RTC/Miscavige etc., their billion dollar 'slush-fund', from which no assets shall ever be released.
    This food stamp fraud is really small taters imho, and the powaz wot be just sort of seem to shy away from the really big organized fraudsters.


    gah.
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  4. Jeff Jacobsen Member

    My notes from Feb. 29 here in Rapid City, SD;


    Notes from Seth Jeffs hearing in Rapid City, SD 2/29/16, 9am
    About 12 people in the audience. None dressed particularly like FLDS people. Several taking notes, so I assume some reporters there. No cameras. No witnesses were called. Seth came in with jail clothes on and handcuffed. He seemed quite relaxed and never looked around the courtroom.

    Prosecution had 2 lawyers. One spent about 10 minutes basically going over their 180 pages of exhibits they had given. $12 million had been laundered by the FLDS, with Seth being one of the leaders of the group.

    He listed the states where FLDS has properties, and there were so many I didn't get them all; Oregon, Texas, Nevada, Colorado, and Canada I wrote down.
    The group had used hundreds of pre-paid phones to hide the locations and communications of their leaders.

    Warren Jeffs quote; "No person, no country... has the right to bring into question what his prophets do."

    Seth had $700 in cash, several credit cards, and his passport on him when he was arrested this time. He has a pilot's license. When he was arrested for harboring his fugitive brother Warren, he had $142,000 and Warren's FBI wanted poster in the car.
    The 2 main arguments for not letting Seth out were that 1) he previously harbored a known fugitive (Warren) and 2) he destroyed a computer at Warren's bequest to hide evidence. Warren got 3 years' probation for the harboring charge, but only had to serve 1.

    Jeffrey Connelly [sp?] was Seth's lawyer for the previous water hearings, so they have some relationship going back. He spent about 20 minutes trying to weaken the idea that Seth would flee. 1) a lot of the 180 pages the state put up were about Warren and Lyle, not Seth, 2) Seth had already been in custody once (for harboring Warren) and never tried to flee or anything, 3) the state granted Seth early release from his probation, thus showing that he was not a flight risk, and 4) none of the special conditions listed in the rules for such a case applied to Seth. On #4, the judge noted that children were deprived of their food stamp money and thus were aggrieved by Seth's actions. Connelly conceded that was potentially the case, which meant that there was a condition in the rules that applied.

    The prosecution took about 8 minutes to rebut Connelly, basically saying that this case is much more intrusive on Seth, because he's facing up to 25 years and a $20 million fine. So he has much more to fear than just probation like last time.

    The judge, after having looked over a few new exhibits by the defense, ruled that Seth was not likely a danger to people if he was released, but that he was a flight risk. She again noted Seth's helping Warren hide, and destroying evidence on Warren's behalf. Seth stays in jail.
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  5. DeathHamster Member

    http://knau.org/post/community-members-celebrate-guilty-verdict-flds-discrimination-lawsuit#stream/0
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  7. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    They may be small potatos, but there are evil small potatos. The cult is set up to allow Warren Jeffs and his friends access to children, Jeffs called them his spiritual brides because he had too many to actually marry. They throw out their boys when they hit puberty, they run their towns completely- the law enforcement are all church members and anyone who leaves the church gets run out of town. Now Warren Jeffs brother has organized a ring- food stamps are taken away from some and given to others, or the food sold. This cult has people live in grinding poverty.
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  9. Anonymous Member

    I'm sorry I don't mean to pry I was reading this and I'm curious because I've seen shows and things about the FLDS and how horrible they are. While I have no clue how hacking and anon things work I gotta admit the whole FLDS thing is disgusting and horrendous. Isn't there some way to stop it?
  10. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    We don't hack here. You've been told this already.
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  11. Anonymous Member

    Sorry but so what do you guys do here and why hasn't anyone taken down the FLDS?
  12. White Tara Global Moderator

    We have several initiatives, with the bulk of our interest being directed towards taking down Scientology. The other initiatives although more minor include, Freedom of Information, ending rape culture, tackling the evils of pedophiles and other political movements that arise over time. We have a tendency to adopt issues as initiatives when they have global or large scale impacts,

    personally I would love to see FLDS disappear but thats just me
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  13. Anonymous Member

    Makes sense, Rape Culture is horrendous and sexist, though I've never been a big protester in such there are alot of things I'm against and one major thing being how stupid humanity in general has become U__U I hate being defined as millenial because I do not fit that criteria but I hope and wish you guys luck in trying to end these horrible things.
  14. White Tara Global Moderator

    Yeah so true, the world gets more and more stupid by the minute, any hope for change will have to involve a massive component of luck sadly. But...gotta keep tryin ya know :)
  15. Anonymous Member

    This sounds stupid but that's why I'm an unregistered Republican, yeah the views are there but why further engrain yourself into the system especially when voting doesn't count? But I swear the world is turning into the movie Idiocracy. I'm sorry for going off topic x.x
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  17. DeathHamster Member

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  19. Warren Jeffs and Bountiful trafficked in young girls. More like it was Jeffs poaching on Bountiful
  20. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/05/us/flds-secrets-warren-jeffs/
    Part of the food stamp fraud was Warren Jeffs' Revelation from God that all members be interviewed about their lives , sounds a lot like auditing, then turn over all of their possessions to the Church which would take care of all of their needs. This was in 2011 when Jeffs was in jail. The inevitable happens- caste system with Warren Jeffs brothers on top with turkey, oysters, and meat and the rest on rice and beans. Jeffs has been compared to Miscavige befor
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  21. The Internet Member

    Was Jeffs getting some Scientology in Jail?
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  22. The Wrong Guy Member

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  24. RightOn Member

    hope he is getting some"prison love" in the shower
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  25. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    Well. They granted Lyle Jeffs bail and he immediately went into hiding. Such a surprize.
    http://fox13now.com/2016/06/20/flds-leader-lyle-jeffs-has-escaped-custody/
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  26. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    Lyle-Jeffs-wanted-poster-crop.png
    He is considered "armed and dangerous"
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  27. RightOn Member

    DOUBLE DERP!
    Wonder how much they paid that judge off?
    What a maroon.
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  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    How the Polygamy Cult Will Hide Fugitive Leader Lyle Jeffs | The Daily Beast

    Fugitive cult leader Lyle Jeffs may be hard to find: The FLDS cult and its network of safe houses has years of experience in hiding fugitives.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...lt-leader-lyle-jeffs-could-evade-the-fbi.html

    Polygamous sect leader Lyle Jeffs using secret, nationwide 'house of hiding network' set up by brother Warren Jeffs to continue evading arrest, say former followers
    • Lyle Jeffs fled a multi-million dollar fraud trial on June 9
    • Ex-members of his fundamentalist Mormon sect say he'll be hiding now
    • Most likely he'll be in one of the many houses of hiding in the US
    • The houses are owned by those sympathetic to Jeffs' sect
    • Some have cameras so police can't sneak up on them
    • And men and women from the cult are taken to the houses to do chores
    • Lyle Jeffs' brother, Warren Jeffs, is head of the sect
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...inue-evading-arrest-say-former-followers.html
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  29. Random guy Member

    I've never understood the bail-idea of the US system. It's basically an invitation for anyone with money to run away.
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  31. The Wrong Guy Member

    Life After Polygamy: The Daughters & Wives of A Polygamist Cult Reclaim their Hometown



    VICE

    The FLDS broke away from mainstream Mormonism in order to continue the practice of polygamy. They established the community of Short Creek along the Utah/Arizona border to follow their beliefs in isolation. In 2011, their prophet Warren Jeffs was sentenced to life in prison (plus 20 years) for sexual abuse of two of his child brides, ages 12 and 15.

    VICE travels to Short Creek to meet with some of the young women who escaped from the cult, who have recently to returned to the town to try to rebuild a new life there.
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  32. RightOn Member

    Happy for them
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  33. RightOn Member

    fucking cults
    If I had the means and the power, I wish I can free all the victims of all cults being held against their will and ease the pain of all those suffering.
    It saddens me that the US government does very little to protect people in cults because of "religious beliefs".
    There is nothing religious about a cult. PERIOD
    If any of their followers are suffering and the leaders are not living within the law, they need to be stopped.
    They all should be abolished.
    And the US government should be ashamed of themselves for letting this suffering continue.
    They have the power to stop it, but they don't. A slippery slope I know, but a lot more can be done. It just isn't being done.
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  34. Can't the FBI (my mortal enemy as am a 4channer) get this shit right ?

  35. The Wrong Guy Member

    Feds Sue Polygamous Towns and FLDS for Illegal Arrests and Discrimination Against Local Businessmen

    Illegal arrests by a cult-run police force have spurred a new federal lawsuit against two polygamous towns on the Arizona-Utah border.

    By Ray Stern, Phoenix New Times

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    Three businessmen who are former members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints allege that officials in the rural towns of Colorado City, Arizona, and Hildale, Utah, violated their constitutional rights. They claim the officers with the Colorado City/Hildale marshal's office arrested two of them for trespassing on land they were leasing, that the marshal's office failed to investigate reports of vandalism on the leased land, and that Colorado City officials refused to provide water and garbage services to the property.

    The violations are the result of a conspiracy between the FLDS church and the towns' officials "to punish, discriminate against and attempt to drive out of Colorado City and Hildale persons who were not believers in the FLDS faith," the complaint states. (The FLDS is not to be confused with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, a.k.a. the Mormon Church.)

    The two towns, located in a remote area known as Short Creek, are the FLDS's home base, where teen girls have been forced into polygamous marriages — raped, under state law — for decades without much interference from authorities. The cult's grip has loosened somewhat since the mid-2000s, following hard-hitting stories by former New Times writer John Dougherty.

    The United Effort Plan (UEP) trust, which holds the deed to most of the land in the towns, was wrested from the FLDS in 2005 and put under the control of court-appointed lawyers. FLDS leader Warren Jeffs was arrested in 2007 for the sexual assault of children and is serving a life sentence in Texas. But despite increased attention from authorities, American-style government has been slow in coming to the towns because FLDS members control the police and most official town positions.

    Recently, though, the cult's control over the area has weathered serious blows: In 2014, the towns lost a multimillion-dollar lawsuit by non-FLDS members who were refused town services. In February of this year, 11 FLDS leaders were arrested and charged with food-stamp fraud. A month later, a federal jury verdict found that the cult had discriminated against non-FLDS members, resulting in a settlement of more than $1.4 million.

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    http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news...ed-illegal-arrests-and-discrimination-8735308
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