Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by riggymortis, Feb 15, 2013.
i went to a mass protest
not this again
there are plenty of other threads where this issue has already been discussed to death
and probably a few others in the dome...
thanks for the threads
Most of us agree that mentally ill people should not have access to guns ( or nukes). Your comparison is invalid.
Since I live in Alaska, I like my guns. However, I don't think that anyone outside of the military needs to have an assault rifle. Really...
Why? Do you suddenly believe the govt that anonymous regularly rails against is more trustworthy than the regular person like yourself with a gun? I came here hoping that anonymous was consistent and if not to beg them to be when it came to this. I do not see why law abiding citizens are somehow less responsible than say, LAPD or NYPD or even the Chicago PD. All of these organizations have HISTORIES of abusing citizens and their power yet the regular person on the street cannot have the same weapons they have access to, to defend themselves from the same criminals. That makes no logical sense. Totally aside from the fact that an "assault weapon" is a regular rifle with plastic "bling" basically. When someone says noone should own an assault rifle they show their ignorance (not stupidity) i am hoping now that i have informed you what an actual assault rifle is you refuse to be stupid because stupidity is knowing the truth but ignoring it for your own feelings and leanings.
We need guns smart enough to detect screwballs and crooks.
@OP: We stand exactly the way we where.
No one who can't shoot at what they're aiming with five or six bullets needs access to 30 or 50 or 100 at rapid discharge rates. They're trying to fly before they can walk.
Me, I shoot what I aim at, and full-carry a large-calibre revolver nowadays ( < has permit). I also happen to like target shooting with a .357
"A good man knows his limitations."
^^post is a perfect example of why some idiots shouldn't have guns.
Where do we stand on gun control - As far away from the fucking things as possible.
Maybe if you dickhead yanks stop acting like complete fucking loons and stop shooting the shit out of everything, your cops would have no reason to walk around armed to the teeth! Good behaviour in society breeds dividends. It's not fucking hard to work out (well, for a yank it is)
Gun control = hitting what ya aim at.
Isn't the NRA's position of everyone should have a gun equal to every country should have nukes?
Well... notice that the countries the US won't invade already have nukes. Must be something to it.
No - there are a number of persons here opposed to any form of gun control.
They don't agree that the mentally ill should be prevented from owning guns.
Personally I think that gun control laws where some basic background checks - e.g. for sanity, non-criminality, etc - are enforced, are a good idea. It sounds as though you do too. But there are some people here on WWP parroting the NRA's "from my cold dead hands" line, that any form of gun control is both unconstitutional and immoral.
You might, I don't.
people have rights. Countries do not. So no, the comparison isn't apt
But, as someone noted, having a nuke is a pretty good deterrent against being invaded.
Any other stupid arguments? Ah....
A fine argument for nuclear proliferation. Which is a bad thing and would be a fucking stupid policy.
I love that you quote politicians to explain rights.
The UN does not grant rights. No person or group of people grant us our rights. Either 'rights' has no meaning (my thought) or they are natural rights. Rights from government are NOT rights, they are permissions. You may need permission to live your life. I don't.
Rights are individual. It hardly matters what a bunch of politicians said about rights, they are the ones we need to protect our rights from.
i know im a newb but i thought this was awsome and might be refreashing to see a cop get schooled on his own laws his tryin to enforce
And you're the person that gets to define those, and all the world must abide by your definition, for no other reason that you (with your godlike powers of discernment) are the person making it.
Rather than using the UN's definition, which is the closest thing we have to a world legal definition of human rights.
Have I got that right? Your own definition is the only one that counts, and the one you want to impose on the rest of the world?
What an arrogant, self-centred attitude.
I'll just leave this here: Jim Carrey skit on Charleton Heston and his gun-loving ways.
I'm curious. Are you aware of the difference between the rights as embodied in the US constitution and rights as embodied by the UN Charter? Can you explain the differences, then explain why you prefer the UN version of rights to the US version?
Oh god, thank you, I hope. Yeah, that was pretty good.
Senate blocks expanded gun sale background checks
The Associated Press, April 17, 2013
Senate Republicans, backed by rural-state Democrats, blocked legislation Wednesday to tighten restrictions on the sale of firearms, rejecting personal pleas made by families of the victims of last winter's mass elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn.
Attempts to ban assault-style rifles and high capacity ammunition magazines also faced certain defeat in a series of showdown votes four months after a gunman killed 20 elementary school children and six staff members at Sandy Hook Elementary.
The background check measure commanded a majority of senators, 54-46, but that was well short of the 60 votes needed to advance. Forty-one Republicans and five Democrats sided together to scuttle the plan.
Just two words: MOLON LABE
The U.S. gov does not want americans to have guns(mainly assualt rifles) for one reason: they want our guns so we cannot defend ousselves from them, the us gov.. Most gun crimes are commited with handguns and they are much more easy to hide, but a assualt rifle is more effective on a battlefield, that is why they are focused on them. This country is heading for dictatorship or something worse.
Lol just lol
And I suppose a few good citizens armed with assault weapons would have stopped the marathon bomber too eh!
Ron Conway pledges to oust senators who rejected background checks | SFGate
By James Temple
Legendary tech investor and political mover Ron Conway has a stern warning for the 54 senators who rejected an amendment to expand background checks on firearms sales on Wednesday, a vote that flew in the face of public opinion.
“We will employ the most sophisticated social media campaign ever built to remove these people from office,” he said in an interview with The Chronicle.
“Mark my words,” he said. “It is shameful and the United States of America should be embarrassed by its Senate.”
Known as the godfather of Silicon Valley, Conway is a longtime angel investor who has plugged money into Google, Twitter, Square and countless other well-known companies. Increasingly, however, he has also been flexing political power in San Francisco and elsewhere.
He was a mover in the industry’s campaign to kill the much despised Stop Online Piracy Act in late 2011, considered a political coming of age moment for the tech sector.
In the interview, Conway pledged to help build a similar initiative behind gun control, one that would tap into the industry’s political power and social media prowess to ensure the senators who voted against the measure aren’t reelected. He noted that polls show 90 percent of the public supports background checks.
“Our Congress has ceased to be representative,” he said. “It is up to the citizens to remove those people who don’t represent them.”
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I wonder if the gun lobby has a knife foyer.
Is this really ur argument for gun control? the second amendment is there for a reason. if we start altering the constitution and the bill of rights, even little by little, where does it stop? from what I can see it seems it will stop with a complete destruction of our basic freedoms
Should nutcases and people with criminal records be allowed to bypass the current checks they would get at a gun store by going to a gun show or buying online?
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