What do these folks protesting actually want?

Discussion in 'Iran' started by Unregistered, Jun 17, 2009.

  1. Do those who protest have some demands they want the government to fulfil or are they protesting just for the fun of it?

    What do these people want? Did Iranian government refused to give them what they want? Recount, re-elections or such?
  2. 1. Dismissal of Khamenei for not being a fair leader
    2. Dismissal of Ahmadinejad for his illegal acts
    3. Temporary appointment of Ayatollah Montazeri as the Supreme Leader
    4. Recognition of Mousavi as the President
    5. Forming the Cabinet by Mousavi to prepare for revising the Constitution
    6. unconditional and immediate release of all political prisoners
    7. Dissolution of all organs of repression, public or secret.
  3. cussbunny Member

    Protesting for the FUN of it? Are you kidding??

    These people are being beaten to DEATH and SHOT. They are being arrested and most likely tortured.

    The bottom line: They want their voice to be heard and their vote to count - as they were promised.
  4. For those of us overseas, protesting in solidarity with people who want democracy, the right to speak out without being persecuted and killed, and in condemnation of violence.
  5. This might be a naive question but why now? Why not earlier?
  6. Building pressures couldn't take it anymore.
  7. cussbunny Member

    And their election was shamelessly and blatantly stolen from them on Friday. There is always a catalyst, this was it.
  8. "not being a fair leader"? Says who? Dismiss just like that? No trail, no evidence, no nothing? We just want?

    Without trial or evidence again?

    well, temporary ... this may be the only sensible demand but I'm not really sure :)

    wtf? Based on what? Gut feeling that he won? Are these people fighting for democracy or dictatorship? I'm confused ...

    Revising the constitution? How? Why? Who decides the changes?

    Organs of repression? You mean like ... whole government?

    Those demands make no sense, these people are nuts.

    "Recognition of Mousavi as the President" is the most ridiculous. They just want to him in power just like that? Insane ...

    These "demands" look like something made up so Iran can never fulfil them, they're completely nonsensical. If they demanded recount or new election I could understand that but to demand overthrow of current government and putting their man there is utterly nonsensical, authoritarian and outright idiotic. Why do we support such nonsense?
  9. So why do they not demand recount? It looks like they're just stirring up trouble. If they made demands that make sense they would may be listened to and I would be much more sympathetic if not ... but that list is outright idiotic.
  10. I support the freedom to dissent without getting your head bashed in, protesting without being shot, and an unrestricted internet where people can communicate without fear of government retaliation, censorship, monitoring, restrictions, and being hunted down. I don't know what you support. We're all here for different reasons and we're all working together.
  11. Im sure a recount wont work at this point.
    They will probably need a new election poll
  12. cussbunny Member


    1. You can't re-count something that was never counted in the first place

    2. You can't count burnt paper

    3. Thus, they are demanding a redo of the election, a new casting of votes - ones that will not just be tossed on the bonfire.
  13. Sure, they should be free to have their voice heard. But it's important to see the big picture too. Based on these demands it seems that this is just sensationalist made up issue designed to destabilize Iran. Do you think that those demands make sense?

    They're not entirely peaceful either. Add US media and their bias and you have current situation. Blown out of proportion and following very different agenda than freedom of Iranian people. If they wanted freedom why not demand investigation, recount and trial? You know, actual justice instead of witch-hunts.

    This smells ... really, just look at those demands ... it's ridiculous!
  14. I do not see redo of the election in that list, do you? I see a lot of bull instead ...

    If they demanded that, it would make much more sense. But they're not interested in sense apparently.!(vote4GREEN)
  15. Look, all this is a bunch of rumor. Right now their leader seems to be Mousavi, the guy who they told lost the election. He and his supporters are demanding that the election results be thrown out and the election done over, correct? Not very extreme.

    It is to the government's advantage to arrest every single protest leader except Mousavi to ensure the leadership remains moderate and does not make destabilizing demands, that the protesters do not become convinced to do something violent. And then silence Mousavi last.

    The USA media is saying that thanks to twitter and the internet, your government is having a difficult time destroying you. You have many leaders, and the government cannot find all of you. Some of you must pay attention to Mousavi and the others and learn as much as you can, because if they're silenced, one of you will have to step up.

    Some Iranians in Iran and the US are or were students who have studied political movements and revolutions. You know or can find out what needs to happen to make this work.
  16. I studied it and the rule of the thumb is that if there is no reason to believe otherwise intelligence agencies are involved and best thing is to stay the hell away from the staged coup.
  17. anonymous612 Member

    Rule of thumb = by default the CIA is in charge?

    Tinfoil on too tight, hon.

  18. Bombing of WTC in 1993? Coup in Venezuela? ...

    Blow your mind

    And Iran specifically:


    Me tinfoil or you gullible fool? Educate yourself and decide ...

    Coup in Venezuela from the inside:

    Who's the fool now, hon.
  20. And we take Beig's claim seriously because... you want us to? Oh wait, a bit more information on Beig (also spelt Beg):

    After his retirement Beg remained a controversial figure, both for his alleged role in a Bank scandal and the nuclear proliferation issue. Former Air Marshal Asghar Khan filed a petition in the Supreme Court (HRC 19/96) against the retired General Mirza Aslam Beg, the former Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) chief retired Lt General Asad Durrani and Younis Habib of Mehran Bank (merged with NBP in 1995), relating to the disbursement of public money and its misuse for political purposes, which is still pending hearing by the Supreme Court of Pakistan. According to one of the Pakistani newspaper editorial, General Durrani who had distributed Rs 140 million to win over the for-sale politicians never felt ashamed of his role or offered an apology.

    Khaled Ahmed, the consulting editor of The Friday Times contends that after taking over as army chief, General Aslam Beg began talking about selling nuclear technology as a part of his strategy of defiance of the United States. He knew that such a nuclear cooperation with Iran was popular and that, within an increasingly anti-American army Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf Arabs were less popular as American clients in the region. The speed with which he declared the new nuclear policy leads one to speculate whether he simply wanted the obstacle of General Zia to disappear from the scene. Zia was close to the Arabs, especially to Saudi Arabia, that had built a grand multi-million dollar mosque in Islamabad, the Faisal Mosque, where he was appropriately buried after his death.[6]

    Najam Sethi, the editor of Daily Times sharply rebukes General Beg for his past misadventures into the domain of politics in a recent editorial. He asks the former general to apologize for warning the then Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto off a large area of internal and external policy in 1988. He has also got to apologize to the then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif for violating an agreed foreign policy decision to send Pakistani troops to Saudi Arabia when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1990.

    In the same article Sethi contents that General Aslam Beg has to also "apologise for bringing the Supreme Court in contempt when he admitted that he had influenced the chief justice. When confronted with challenging a general, the Supreme Court under Justice Muhammad Afzal Zullah forgivably got cold feet and let General Beg go Scot free."

    I'm sorry, a person who has strong anti-American sentiments make strong anti-American sentiments should be trusted because he blathers over the phone.

    Must agree with earlier poster. Tinfoil hat is too tight, and I don't want want to think where it's actually placed.
  21. Why have the questions pointed out of the 7. (why we do it) not been answered?

    They seem logical to me and what are you asking from the world around? That we stand with a revolutionary movement just like that?
  22. Runa Member

    So what proof is there that US is involved now?

    I say it's a Ahmadinejadian plot to tighter control on the country and make further developments of nuclear capacity more acceptable, so he spreads the rumors of fraud himself, everyone reacts and now he will militarize the country under the excuse of the CIA is meddling in Iran. He's a genius!

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