Discussion in 'Media' started by The Wrong Guy, Aug 8, 2012.
Hubbard and Moon are both named 3/4 of the way through.
He does about 24 minutes in.
One of the commenters on the video is Crocoshark with this to say:
I'm glad that you are out. It obviously still has a hold to some degree. The "lower levels" in my opinion start the slow process of boiling the frog, going forward (and paying dearly for it) is a form of mind control, being secretive as if the OT III doctrines are a prize is a bait and switch. Pop psychology, hypnosis, the secret etc. etc. can give anyone a short term win (and really...knowing what fruit someone picks is a win how?).
Here is my take on why Hubbards "tech" didn't, doesn't and won't ever work....
Here are the questions that led me to that conclusion...
If the technology works... why has there been such a decrease in
the number of Scientologists "going clear" and moving up the bridge? At one
time there were estimates of "millions" of active Scientologist, now
according to those in the know the true number is closer to 40,000 world wide. If
the technology worked and could be demonstrated to work, wouldn't the
world be beating a path to the door of every "Org" out there?? They
aren't. Tech not working.
If the technology works... why have so many Senior Management
members been "off-loaded", declared S/P, or put into the RPF?? I mean these
folks had to not only be Scientologists in good standing to reach these
positions but they also had to pass all the "Sec Checks" (security checks)
required before being allowed at the Int Base so why didn't the tech work to weed
them out before they got there?? Why have all of these people managed to
fool their co-workers and case workers and David Miscavige for countless
years before their status as Suppressive was discovered?? Tech not working.
If the technology works... why are there so many divorces among
Scientologists? In all of my reading, with the exception of very
few people, most "ex's" are on their second or third marriage. If the
tech works why can't it help stabilize the most fundamental of human
relationships?? I understand that the general divorce rate is 50% but it seems to
me that especially for Sea Org members, not being able to have
relationships until marriage encourages youngsters to marry and it frequently
encourages divorce. Tech not working.
If the technology works... Why would a Scientologist not be able
to freely read disparaging articles about their faith? Wouldn't their
"faith" have solidified enough to allow for free thought?? Nope... didn't
think so. Tech not working.
If the technology works... Why aren't all these upper level OT's
blowing the world away with their abilities?? I mean I have read about the
"wins", often times finding parking spots and the like but what about the
promise of all the amazing things that OT 7's should be able to do??? Tech
If the technology works... Why have so many documented cases of
"psychotic breaks" during auditing happened? Lisa McPherson, Nancy Many,
Greg Bashaw to name a few. How could the technology work if minds are being
shattered, not to mention people being killed?? Combinations of high doses
of vitamins and Chloral Hydrate obviously aren't effective. Tech not working.
If the technology works... Why have so many left Scientology? If
it works, shouldn't it work for everyone, at all times?? It used to be that
the "church" could claim a few unhappy "apostates" but just do a
google search and that myth is dissolved. Tech proven to be NOT working.
If the technology works... why has it been priced out of reach for
most of the world's population? If the goal is "Clearing the Planet",
lets see; in Canada with a population of 35 million people multiplied by the
cost to ascend the bridge (I've read anywhere from $100-450,000 so lets be
conservative and say $200,000) to clear Canada alone, that works
out to 7 TRILLION dollars, that is a 7 with 12 zero's after it; 7,000,000,000,000
(amazing since Canada's entire economy is only 1.9 trillion). I
was never good at math but Jeez Louise, I don't even have a calculator that
goes high enough to extrapolate those figures as to what it would cost to
clear the planet. TECH WILL NEVER WORK!
So my conclusion clearly, even as an outsider is that Scientology
does not work because it is a money making scheme that was invented by the
very strange mind of a science fiction writer (albeit one charismatic
enough to gain a following). I could go into the ridiculous esoteric
qualities of the faith like OT III and the story of Xenu or maybe the original
version of OT VIII, where LRH (founder L. Ron Hubbard) reveals himself as the
Satan and the Anti-Christ, says that Jesus was a pedophile, and talks of
more intergalactic implants and heinous acts and the leader's big
return as a politician??? I mean how can you not just say WTF? Or I could
talk about the many abuses of the current cult leader David Miscavige (whom
I've grown to abhor via my reading). I have the luxury of being able to ask
WTF, but I didn't have to experience what Hawkins and Many and Headley did.
I wasn't drawn in and indoctrinated, I wasn't exploited by my own failings and
weaknesses and I wasn't robbed of my autonomy. Xenu is a funny
story but what happened to so many good, decent people is anything but
funny. It is time to shelve the tech which has moved beyond not working to
What a great youtube channel. TheraminTrees describes in a series of high quality artistically produced and carefully scripted videos how he went from being a curious child, to becoming a dedicated Christian, to being gently challenged by a question from a teacher, to revisiting his beliefs through arduous and careful study.
He goes into great detail analyzing how people influence each others beliefs.
At 4 minutes his reaction on the phone to learning LRH is dead. Priceless!
Scientology: Why Smart People Fall for Stupid Things
Published by Chris Shelton on October 22, 2015
My talk on how Scientology lures unsuspecting and otherwise intelligent people into its scam using appeals to emotion and authority to prey on their emotional troubles. This talk was given on October 17 at the Wichita State University during the Skeptics of Oz 2015 conference.
Find out more about the Skeptics of Oz and the Wichita Coalition of Reason here:
Troublemakers: The women who won’t keep quiet about Scientology | The Underground Bunker
To help celebrate the publication of Leah Remini’s book, Troublemaker: Surviving Hollywood and Scientology, our own TheHoleDoesNotExist has secretly been working on a new song with several other Bunker denizens. If you enjoyed her last work — the official theme song of the Underground Bunker — we think you’ll enjoy her tribute to troublemaking women. Take it away, Moxie Magee!
"Trouble Makers" by Moxie Magee
Published by Moxie Bay Music on October 27, 2015
"Trouble Makers" by Moxie Magee © October 2015
Oh wimmen wimmen wimmen | What're you up to now (hey)
Go sit down | Get back home where you belong (get back, girl)
Oh trouble trouble trouble | What're you stewin' 'bout (hey)
Get back down | Grab your bag and move along
You can game her | But you can't tame her
She's our lovely Trouble Maker
You can blame her | But you can't break her
Here comes Trouble
Oh wimmen wimmen wimmen | Won't you just go away (you)
Tow that line | Speak your mind, you're gonna pay (pay up, girl)
Oh traitor traitor traitor | What're you brewin' now (you)
Twist my words | Twist and turn me all around
Gonna write that book | Gonna wake you up
No I won't get hooked | No I won't give up (no I won't give up)
Gonna spill them beans | Gonna stir it up
No I won't sit down | No I won't shut up (no I won't shut up) NO!
CHORUS (repeat 2x)
Someone asks Richard Dawkins about scientology @1:09:33
Inaccurate but droll.
funny and pretty accurate
This sweet little expose has garnered 320 000 views in 4 months.
scientology @ 27:24
Scientology Infiltration into Society: Front Groups
Published by Chris Shelton on November 19, 2015
The Church of Scientology does not just draw people in through its various churches and missions, but also has a worldwide network of front groups. The "social betterment groups" are not obviously connected to Scientology and even deny any direct connection, yet do nothing but use 100% Scientology methods.
This is the first of a series of videos I'm making to expose these front groups so people are not fooled by them.
He's such an effective speaker, Chris Shelton. It's truly remarkable for someone so deeply involved, for 27 years, to have seemingly overcome the mind-control after being out for less than three years - but, as he says in a recent podcast, he had about eight years previously where his doubts were gradually increasing.
I always look forward to his next video or podcast, for the carefully honed content, but just as much for his skill in presenting.
A young actress lured in to the cult celebrity center by a promise of a free comedy show but rather than a show she is subjected to a heavy-handed sales pitch for scientology, including being locked in until she agreed to pay for the "free" show.
I like it. Right to the point.
What is a Destructive Cult? - An Interview with Rachel Bernstein (Part 1)
Uploaded by on December 2, 2015
Rachel Bernstein is a family and individual counselor and a cult specialist in Tarzana, California. She has helped over 1,000 people recover from participation in destructive cults. In Part 1, she discusses what a destructive cult is, why it is destructive both mentally and emotionally and gives some information about what to do if someone is trapped in one.
In this video, we refer to a podcast we did with Rachel here: youtube.com/watch?v=UkvAaTqSRzY
A bit of silly fun.
2 high-school students put together a well-researched and amusing little project about the cult.
Posted today to YouTube. 2200 views, and nearly 300 thumbs-up already.
Cult Control Methods - An Interview with Rachel Bernstein (Part 2)
Uploaded by Chris Shelton on December 10, 2015
Rachel Bernstein is a family and individual counselor and a cult specialist in Encino, California. She has helped over 1,000 people recover from participation in destructive cults.
In Part 2, she discusses the control methods destructive cults use including the power of group agreement and the use of language to shape thought patterns.
Rachel can be reached at 818-907-0036
Rachel's email is email@example.com
Rachel's website is http://sensiblyspeaking.com
Yahoo now has the automatically created #xenu channel!
Xenu, also called Xemu, was, according to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who 75 million years ago brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes, and killed them with hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology scriptures hold that the thetans of these aliens adhere to humans, causing spiritual harm.
These events are known within Scientology as "Incident II", and the traumatic memories associated with them as "The Wall of Fire" or "R6 implant". The narrative of Xenu is part of Scientologist teachings about extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in earthly events, collectively described as "space opera" by Hubbard. Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III in 1967, warning that the "R6 implant" was "calculated to kill anyone who attempts to solve it".
Within the Church of Scientology, th...
This channel was generated automatically by YouTube's video discovery system.
Uploaded by Chris Shelton on December 24, 2015
'Tis the season for holiday cheer, but was does that mean for Scientologists? What holidays do they celebrate during the year and how do they celebrate exactly?
Since Scientology is all about the money, their ideas of fun and good cheer are a little different from everyone else's. I break it all down in this video.
Skip to 22 minutes 30 seconds in, or click this handy link.
A blast from 2008
A stage hypnotist and his son did a livestream answering questions, and since Hubbard was a hypnotist he was asked when he'll start his own cult?
Skip to 14 minutes 45 seconds in, or click this handy link
Good for a chuckle.
This shows someone playing a silly Tom Cruise themed game. http://www.purely-games.com/weird_pregnancy_game.html
In this weird pregnancy game, Katie is not unsurprisingly pregnant, as in line with the beliefs of Scientology has to remain quiet during the birth giving process. Only Tom can help her achieve this by catching all the pills that are on their way. If Tom fails, the evil alien overlord, Xenu, will come and take Katie away. Look, just don't ask right!! After you play this weird pregnancy game, why not check out and play our other weird and wonderful games?
TV Actor Christian Stolte who plays Mouch on Chicago Fire publicly supports Leah Remini.
She 6.5 million subscribers.
Bill Maher compares Trump University to Scientology (at 3 min. mark).
"Did you see Shelly?" Periscope video after Scientology LRH Birthday Event.
Filmmaker repeatedly asks, "Did you see Shelly?" "Did you see Shelly Miscavige at all? Was she with her husband? Etc. Briefly references book Troublemaker by Leah Remini.
A book review of Hubbard's "Scientology" intro book. One of the reviewers writes for The Onion, another for Stephen Colbert.
Scientology @ 18:35
Scientologists Have Taken Over The Library, by Whiskey Lips
Published by AFOA Records on April 1, 2016
This song/video was written, recorded, shot, edited, and released all on April 1st, 2016. We hope you enjoy it!
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