Discussion in 'Scientology and Anonymous' started by Anonymous, Jul 26, 2011.
Yes, because it gets us wet.
You'll never have me, ugly.
Could we please go back to the subject on WBM and Marty? Like do you think those two would be a great casting for a comedy show?
Indie and The Beard: One Sci, One Wise Guy, One Wacky Relationship.
Marty and Mike can help you with that.
Reverse Scientology – Have, Do, Be
Seriously, did you ever think you were going to become an expert in Scientology?
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Oh shit son!
Personal opinion: I don't think Mark Bunker is going to be pro scientology or support M&M. I hope he is taking a balanced approach and attempt to show both sides in a balanced way. Let the facts speak for themselves. I do think that Mark Bunker is going to go way, way, way out of his way to be "fair" so he doesn't get his ass sued off with this project. So, it will be interesting to see how this all turns out.
Hey Tony, suck a dick. If I was the #2 in Scientology or ran their secret police org I would.
Sometimes Godwin is right.
So, when you tell it to go fuck itself, it's not just a figure of speech.
The word is "intersex". Hermaphrodite is outdated terminology.
osa likes this.
I see the video was uploaded last January. I was hoping too see a paddleboat with goons pop up in the canal behind the dudes. I am disappoint.
If this was the 1940's and we were protesting Hitler & Nazism, Mark would be applauding Adolf Eichmann for his efforts & fapping over an interview. Compromise integrity, much?
this thread needs more Thais.
One and a Half Men
yes but it isn't
and they are not
Actually, I think it would be more like applauding Joseph Stalin for his efforts in fighting Nazism. So we really only need to worry about him after "Hitler" goes . . .
In this parallel Godwin universe, wouldn't Hubbard be Hitler? So he's gone already. Diet version. No actual gas chambers or world wars. Hitler Lite.
If this were the 1940s and we were protesting Hitler & Nazism:
- Marty would be the Vichy government of France,
- Wise Beard Man would be Churchill,
- James Earl Jones would be Dwight D Eisenhower (why not? good voice),
- the pavement outside Gold Base would be the North African desert,
- and Jett Travolta would be Charles Lindbergh Jr.
I must say I applaud Marty for letting through my own and others comments being more or less critic against the church policies.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/07/27/why-i-support-marty-guest-editorial/#comment-137999 and below (had to simplify the layout and leave out a few things to be able to present it well here):
LOL @valkov comments that were inserted after I made this post
That's right, the Tech works, and it helps people.
or else possibly it's a load of old bollocks. One of the two.
LOL, I didn't say the tech works.
^ sorry, quote misattributed to TrevAnon when in fact he was quoting someone on the Marty-board. My bad.
Bunker needs material for his film. He needs to play nice with people or they won't talk to him.
If you look at the bigger picture, it's not a bad thing for Bunker to avoid a confrontational stance with Rathbun.
"peace in our time"?
If Neville Chamberlain had used his access to National Socialism leadership to make an informative documentary for widespread distribution, perhaps the world-wide "do not want!" might have happened sooner than it did.
As a furfag,I'm more used to the term "hermaphrodite".
But thanks,didn't knew it was now called 'intersex'. I always learn something new each day,I suppose.
It must be pretty uncomfortable when the sex is not good...just not talking to himself for days.
"Bet they're asleep in New York. I bet they're asleep all over America."
Terrific post. My point about comparing Marty to Stalin was that we all may have a common enemy right now, but when that enemy is gone, what will happen?
We all will die. And other stuff.
Hopefully in an atomic blast!
In a volcano?
Discouraging and disheartening. Here's the rant I posted on my blog (sorry in advance for length, but I was pissed):
Why Mark Bunker is wrong
Marty recently posted a blog entry from Mark Bunker entitled Why I Support Marty by Mark Bunker. I know I was not the only one who was interested to read what Mark had to say, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who is deeply disappointed in a man who largely helped to launch the modern-day protest movement.
Mark Bunker is not a stupid man, nor an inexperienced one, and it's hard for me to believe that he has bought into Marty's bullshit. But what other conclusion can one come to when one reads sentences like this one:
"Enough tremors keep happening and he might actually shatter the locks on the doors and free people like Heber Jentzsch from captivity." -- Mark Bunker
Now, I feel like I've said this about a million times, so here we go with a million and one. Three days after Marty's famous "Free Heber" post, Heber went to visit his son in Los Angeles. Karen De La Carriere, Heber's ex-wife, told us herserlf three months later, and yet Marty never made mention of it. I talked about this in "Omitted by Marty: Heber is alive and well," and I'll reiterate: While I know life under David Miscavige is pretty terrible, it's likely that Heber stays because he wants to. We know from Karen's post that he's had the opportunity to go the way of Marty, Mike Rinder, and Marc Headley.
Marty preaches and sells Scientology - which means that Marty is, in an indirect way, one of Heber's jailers.
Mark goes on to talk about the Lisa McPherson Trust:
"We [the LMT] may not have gone about it the best way possible (okay, we didn’t) but we were there because we wanted to draw attention to abusive practices like disconnection that are still hurting members of Scientology today." -- Mark Bunker
First, it bothers me to hear Mark talk so dismissively about the LMT. Nothing looks perfect from the inside, but it was the LMT that helped formed the foundation for Anonymous, which clearly now carries the torch for telling the truth about Scientology.
Secondly, need I remind the Wise Beard Man that disconnection is an L. Ron Hubbard policy? Of course, Hubbard apologists love to point out the 1968 policy "Cancellation of Disconnection" in which Hubbard said that "Disconnection as a condition is cancelled." (HCO PL 15 November 1968). That's disconnection as a condition, not as a practice. And yet they conveniently forget that Hubbard talked about disconnection in a 1983 policy:
"A Scientologist can become PTS by reason of being connected to someone that is antagonistic to Scientology or its tenets. In order to resolve the PTS condition, he either HANDLES the other person's antagonism... or, as a last resort when all attempts to handle have failed, he disconnects from the person. He is simply exercising his right to communicate or not to communicate with a particular person." -- L. Ron Hubbard, HCO PL 10 Sept 1983, PTSNESS AND DISCONNECTION
Incidentally, Marty has defended disconnection as defined by Hubbard in the policy above. Perhaps Mark Bunker missed Marty's post entitled "Pimps, Prostitutes, and Disconnection" (a post I may have elicited) in which Marty uses the disconnection policy to justify walking away from a man beating the shit out of a woman.
Marty wrote, "You’d also be a fool by ignoring the real consequences of allowing a Suppressive to continue to make your life hell. I wholeheartedly advise someone disconnect from a genuine source of suppression, who despite efforts to handle, continues to suppress."
That this is exactly how LRH defined disconnection.
Now, one could argue that the Church uses forced disconnection, to which Marty says he is opposed. But where is the force? LRH says "Handle or disconnect." The Church says "You must either disconnect from an SP or you cannot be a Scientologist." This is a terrible choice for a Scientologist, because they have been conned into believing that Scientology is the <em>only</em> path to salvation. But it is a choice nonetheless.
I am getting off on a tangent, but my point is that if the LMT was opposed to forced disconnection, than why the fuck is Mark Bunker supporting a man who believes in disconnection exactly as L. Ron Hubbard defined it, and just as the Church practices it to this day?
Mark Bunker continues:
"There are many critics of Scientology who can’t forgive Mike and Marty for their actions while in Scientology." -- Mark Bunker
Okay, let's get two things straight.
First, Mike and Marty not out of Scientology; they are simply out of the Church. There is a BIG difference.
Second, while it is true that I have trouble forgiving Marty for what he did in the Church - mostly because he still maintains that LRH's Introspection Rundown, which killed Lisa McPherson, constitutes proper treatment for a psychotic break - my reason for opposing him has NOTHING to do with what he did while part of the Church. I have nothing but praise for people like Aaron Saxton and Jesse Prince, who did plenty of evil things in the name of Scientology but have been open and honest about it since.
No, I can't forgive Marty for what he is doing NOW, which includes making money by selling Hubbard bullshit; lying about L. Ron Hubbard; lying about the real source of the crimes and evils of Scientology; keeping quiet on issues that affect his own well-being, like Scientology's tax-exempt status; and censoring those who would tell the truth or point out his lies.
Perhaps I could forgive Marty if all he was trying to do was sell Scientology services. If Marty wants to make a buck off the suckers who buy into his bullshit, well, that's the way of the world. But what Marty is doing is trying to establish a foundation to re-build Scientology as L. Ron Hubbard intended.
And L. Ron Hubbard was a lying, evil, black-hearted con man who captured the hearts and minds of his followers, bled them dry, and left them empty.
I don't know how a wise, bearded man like Mark Bunker can fail to see that - but then, history is full of men willing to appease evil in the hopes that they will find favor with the new regime.
Needless to say, I am deeply disappointed. Perhaps Mark Bunker is holding out hope that there can be a "kinder, gentler" Scientology (which won't come from anyone who follows LRH doctrine as strictly as Marty does).
Or perhaps this is all a ruse to favor curry (and donations) for Mark's movie, which will slam Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard as thoroughly as it should. That would be rather crafty, although it saddens me to think that Mark Bunker would stoop to the level of Hubbard, Miscavige, and Rathbun, all of whom were/are willing to bend the truth in order to line their own wallets.
Either way, I can't imagine that Bob Minton isn't turning over in his grave.
If Mark really does support Marty, then I think it's time for him to supplement his reading of Marty's blog with some re-reading of L. Ron Hubbard policy. Let's not forget what Marty really believes in, or who is at the root of the whole Scientology scam.
And Mark, if you really do support Marty, then I'll take a cue from him and recommend a song:
The Times They Are A-Changin'
I mean, I kind of get it - Mark Bunker wants to egg Marty on to keep spilling info, and Marty likes the attention and publicity he's receiving and the extra help in exposing the CoS. So it's a little bit of a marriage of convenience.
But it just seems kind of disingenuous for Mark to be claiming he's against Scientology fraud while he's making smoochies with Marty, who claims to be making "real, live OT's". There's your fraud right there, Mr. Bunker.
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