Withdrawal of Non LRH Books

Martin Ottmann · Dec 3, 2012

When they were getting rid of any Squirrel books:

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thesneakster · Dec 3, 2012

Well, now! That's *very* interesting. Looks to me like most of those authors had been SP declared as a result of the Mission Holder's debacle.

Thank you for posting that, Martin.

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist

Anonymous · Dec 3, 2012

LOL.
I guess these were the books LRH borrowed from.

Anonymous · Dec 3, 2012

^ How could anyone be declared, L Ron Hubbard was a pedophile and an illiterate moron who was nothing but a con man. Michael how stupid do you really want to look right now it borders on pity for people like you.

Quentinanon · Dec 3, 2012

thesneakster said: ↑

Well, now! That's *very* interesting. Looks to me like most of those authors had been SP declared as a result of the Mission Holder's debacle.
Thank you for posting that, Martin.
Michael A. Hobson Independent Scientologist

You are mostly incorrect. Ruth Minshull and Woody Wooderson were not Mission Holders, just field scientologists who wrote books that received distribution through scientology missions. Hubbard authorised their books. Peter Gillham, another field scilon from Australia also had Hubbard's authorisation. Omar Garrison was a WOG and had a falling out with Hubbard - his research revealed that Hubbard had falsified a great deal of his own biographical information. Jack Horner and Reg Sharpe had been branded "SPs" many years earlier by L. Ron.

joannaatemyhamster · Dec 3, 2012

"SCIENTOLOGY ITS CONTRIBUTION TO KNOWLEDGE" must have been a very small volume

Jaycee Wiseboy · Dec 3, 2012

Quentinanon said: ↑

You are mostly incorrect. Ruth Minshull and Woody Wooderson were not Mission Holders, just field scientologists who wrote books that received distribution through scientology missions. Hubbard authorised their books. Peter Gillham, another field scilon from Australia also had Hubbard's authorisation. Omar Garrison was a WOG and had a falling out with Hubbard - his research revealed that Hubbard had falsified a great deal of his own biographical information. Jack Horner and Reg Sharpe had been branded "SPs" many years earlier by L. Ron.

I am pretty sure Ruth Minshull was a Mission Holder in Ann Arbor, Michigan. But whatever even if she was not a franchise holder she was a real true believer in Scientology and for all I know may still cling to all that Hubbard drivel.

I used to push Ruth Minshull's books because I knew they were easier to read than anything Hubbard ever wrote and that seemed to be the tacit opinion in our little org as well. Maybe ol' L. Ron was jealous. LOL!

Peter Gillham's books were also easier to read than Hubbard's. One of his books, was so well put together it was like getting a Scientology course without having to take a course at the org. Again, maybe Hubbard was jealous. Poor Peter, he was just a good little Scientologist who was trying to help out the cause by explaining Scientology to the public better than Hubbard could ever do.

It was around that time that I left the cult anyway. Things were just getting just too suspect and I really started to notice all the red flags that Hubbard and his boys were leaving about. This was just one of them.

Quentinanon · Dec 3, 2012

Ruth Minshull never was a mission holder. She was a scio book writer and real estate broker in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA

Marty Rathbun · Dec 3, 2012

Quentinanon said: ↑

Ruth Minshull never was a mission holder. She was a scio book writer and real estate broker in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA

Was "All The Happiness" anything like "Way To Happiness"?

Anonymous · Jan 16, 2013

It's interesting that recently - as several books very critical of Hubbard are being released - Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder, in tandem, have both admitted what some of us have known for man years, that it was Hubbard and not Miscavige who ordered that all Ruth Minshull books be removed.

It's strange watching Rathbun and Rinder, simultaneously, decide to tell tell the truth about this one particular piece of Scientology history, as though they've made a strategic decision - after a meeting - to spill a bean or three about Hubbard and Scientology, whereas previously they were both silent, even when the subject was brought up and discussed in the presence.

IMO, these two will tell the truth only to the extent that they feel it necessary to forward whatever bizarre mission they think they're on to save Scientology.

Anonymous · Jan 16, 2013

thesneakster said: ↑

Well, now! That's *very* interesting. Looks to me like most of those authors had been SP declared as a result of the Mission Holder's debacle.

Thank you for posting that, Martin.

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist

Hey, Independent Scientologist number 99, it was 1) Hubbard's order that had the books removed.

Incidentally, it was also 2) Hubbard's order that the Mission Holders were attacked and their Missions looted.

It's OK for you to know about know about #1 as Marty and Mike admitted it just the other day - years late.

Maybe someday they'll admit #2 and, then, it will be OK for you to know about that also.

Born2Shop · Jan 16, 2013

tl;dr but here is the real story behind the issue in the above OP and what lead to it being written. I was on the Watchdog Committee at that time.

An overall summation of what led to it was in a posting I did on alt.religion.scientology back in Jan 2007 when I posted as "SME":

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/browse_thread/thread/1f7003944f2653eb/48491b30d0865cc3?hl=en&q=

SME

I can shed some light on the below postings.
>From around early 82 through much of 83 a huge task was undertaken
within "the church" to get all non Hubbard writings out of "church"
orgs and missions.

The movement was lead by Hubbard himself and, through him, DM.

The "Policy" used was "Vital Data on Promotion" where Hubbard says
there can be no works but his own used. He said that doing so "would
end freedom for the planet".

All kinds of investigations and missions were fired to find out how non
Hubbard works had gotten into organized scientology. This included
missions to Minshul herself (then in Michigan I believe).

The missionaires reported that Minshul herself was disaffected from and
wanted nothing more to do with scientology. This was reported to
Hubbard who said that the only book of hers that he even saw was
"Miracles for Breakfast" but Minshul produced Hubbard's signed
approvals for the other books.

All kinds of things were found and that included just how each work was
gotten into an organization.

There were so many non Hubbard works that one copy of each made a pile
a couple feet high over a huge "board room sized" desk in Special
Unit's conference room. The books included all kinds of things like
Minshul's works, "the "Common Sense Management Series". "How to Make
Money", etc., etc.

The walls of the Special Unit conference room were filled with charts
showing how each work got into the organizations (things like someone
agreeing with SMI to purchase an expensive "Mission Starter Package" if
their book could be distributed by Bridge Publications).

Other things were found that "horrified" Hubbard and DM such as the
continental liaison offices themselves forwarding the line that DMSMH
(the main Dianetics book) was too complicated and so Minshul books
should be used to get new people in.

Special Unit did the investigations and then DM and his "Finance
Police" and the like took over and starting blowing people out of the
water broadly and in a big way. People were declared, "gang bang sec
checked", RPFed and the like right up to and including WDC level.
DM in court says Hubbard was off the lines at that time but that was
totally false. Special Unit wrote to him weekly and got his orders
weekly on this matter and so did other sectors.

This was part of the big power push that also included getting "all non
Hubbard tech" out of missions and orgs and people found pushing "non
LRH" things ("de dinging", "power flows", etc) were similarly blown
away using declares and many abuses by "the Finance Policy" and others
run by CMO.

The spitting on staff on the RPF at Int started in a big way with DM
and other goons that felt they had to follow him as part of the above.
Hubbard himself wrote asking that they (even the WDC members over SMI,
Bridge, etc.) be spit on for their "letting this happen".

"External influence" missions were then fired to all continents where
there were orgs to follow up on "the handlings". Abuses became rampant
and widespread.

There was a huge push to "get people jailed" for this by DM and it did
not even matter if they were "guilty" of anything. DM and Hubbard
wanted "heads on pikes" and the Int Finance Policy carried out hundreds
of abuses on all kinds of people, screaming in their faces, gang bang
sec checks, etc. trying to find evidence of "crimes" for which they
could be jailed.

The entire thing was run by DM, using Hubbard orders he got based on
information he was sending to Hubbard.

It was so crazy that Special Unit itself had to jump in on a number of
occasions to try to stop harassment actions and stop attempts to get
innocent people jailed.

The "excuse" used for all these abuses was that it was being
"unreasonable" with squirreling and was "saving scientology". WDC
itself put out an issue that praised the Int Finance Police for saving
scientology for carrying out actions like the above.

That was total bull. It was the worst on a long, long list of wholesale
human rights abuses. And guess what, it got everything out of missions
and orgs for which Hubbard was NOT receiving royalties!

DM says he was in ASI and had nothing to do with this as he was busy in
ASI and he says Hubbard was "off the lines". Both statements are
totally false. They ran it! ASI had its own "gang bang sec checks".

DM felt that the new "impregnable" corporate structure made it possible
to take such control and would mask the real controls. He will find
himself wrong about that.

Anyway, the above is a summation of the true story of what happened
with getting non Hubbard works out of missions and orgs. There are
many, many more details to this but the above sums it up.

SME

I elaborate on a bit of that in this much more recent post on ESMB where I post as "justme" in April 2012:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...Hallucinations&p=677152&viewfull=1#post677152

Whatever the reason(s), Hubbard had a serious problem with the truth and, IMO, with general competency.

Over an eight year time span I suppose I got maybe 250 or so orders directly from him. Receiving and complying with orders from Hubbard taught me a few things, many I did not truly understand until years after I was out.

One thing is how easily he lied. Either he was just a bold faced liar, lying for personal gain at the expense of others, or he was so incompetent that he did not even know he was lying. Or, something else I cannot now imagine.

He also was often very cruel including gross acts of cruelty against those who had dedicated their very lives to support him and scientology. And, IMO his orders often betrayed the fact that he was incompetent.

A few examples:

(i) he told Scientologists in broad issues that he took no money from Scientology, that it was in effect a labor of love. Truth be told he took many tens of millions of dollars from Scientology and demanded more and more constantly. To the public he was a saint, one who was not in it for the money. But in his most private communications with some of those at the very top he accepted no excuses for not getting his take of the proceeds of organized Scientology regularly. And he often saw as enemies any who he felt stood in the way of him and his money;

(ii) he ordered those at the very top in the Watchdog Committee to get every possible dime they could out of any and all possible organizations of the scientology empire. He said to take the money from local orgs before they could spend it. It did not matter that the orgs were almost always left with insufficient money to feed their staffs, to give them proper medical care or to support their own children. He wanted to take the money out of their control and to end up getting his share;

(iii) when cases were lost and money had to be paid to victims of scientology Hubbard was outraged. And it was not because there were victims but rather because money had to be paid out. He would order new, deceptive ways to hide the money through corporate/contractual shell games so none of it could be gotten through litigation should scientology lose instead of focusing on why there were victims in the first place. Case in point is the Christofferson case and Hubbard's order to Sue Mithoff in 1979 re the creation of Scientology Missions International and why it was needed;

(iv) In 1982/1983 Hubbard blew up when he found out that so many books not written by him were sold on org lines and even in some cases by the publications organizations themselves. He demanded heads on pikes to find those who were trying to destroy him and scientology pushing his policy "Vital Data On Promotion" and the part of it that stressed no books by others. While external influence missions were sent all around the world to find and punish all responsible for this, and all who supported it, what he never would mention was that it was he himself who approved many of those books.

For example, Hubbard told me that he had never approved a Ruth Minshull book and only ever had seen one of them - "Miracles for Breakfast". Yet I later found out and confirmed that not only did he see others of her books but he actually approved them in writing for distribution on org lines in exchange for a piece of the action. I later got the approvals from Ruth herself and confirmed from a key messenger that she actually witnessed Hubbard signing the approvals;

(v) in the same time period as in "iv" above Hubbard was constantly demanding that external influences be found as it must be them that was holding scientology down. Scientologists around the world, most of them staff, were horribly abused, gang bang sec checks became rampant, declares reached all time highs and countless families were destroyed through disconnection simply because Hubbard's saw enemies in his most loyal and dedicated followers when he was not getting his way;

(vi) Hubbard often gave horribly stupid orders into the corporate area and there were often people who had to constantly figure out how to "make him feel right" and not comply with the orders without having him go ballistic. One example was Hubbard ordering the selling of minister status for big bucks so that the people getting them could get all sorts of tax benefits and related perks (such as tax deductions for their home mortgages, etc.). Great effort had to be made to not comply and yet make it look like one was complying so as not to incur his wrath.

There are countless examples of these sort of things.

I cannot say with certainty what drove a man to do all this but I can say that the fraud, cruelty and betrayal spanned decades and was not just something found in his last few years of almost complete mental breakdown.

It is my belief that the insane paranoia and fear that Hubbard constantly showed was woven throughout scientology policy. Such things as the RPF, heavy ethics for counter and other intentions (to his own), the cruelty of disconnection and so much more all to "protect" a tech he called priceless but was rather valueless to most who tried it.

This is also reflected in his crazy ramblings were he saw enemies everywhere and demanded the destruction of those who opposed his will.

And, I submit that the entire corporate structure of organized scientology, all the lies that make up the foundation of that house of cards as well as the religious cloaking that helps hold it in place is nothing more than a reflection of that same, insane paranoia of Hubbard as he demanded control of his little empire while cowardly hiding behind its myriad veils so as not to be held liable for that of which he was completely liable.

I submit that Hubbard had no really great accomplishments. The bigger accomplishments (such as they were) in the history of organized scientology were IMO not achieved by Hubbard. Rather they were achieved by loving, dedicated and, yes, misled people who themselves put it all on the line to dedicate themselves and their lives to the following of a man who would ultimately betray them.

I find it difficult to find any real hate in my heart for this but there is much sadness in there. A sadness for all the good souls who cared and who tried to follow a dream and were betrayed.

Did Hubbard really think he would "clear the planet" and that scientology should really expand well beyond his own life? I don't know for sure but I cannot get this troubling thought out of my mind: I once went to the leaders of the Watchdog Committee and the then leader of RTC before Miscavige took over. I tried to reconcile the constant demands for money every week. I asked how will we clear the rest of the planet when such a large portion of it could not afford scientology services.

All I got back were blank stares.

And I had a sad

Jaycee Wiseboy · Jan 17, 2013

That was an eye-opener.

Hubbard was a nut. I am surprised he didn't order the Sea Org to fire on some island in Mexico...or something.

DeathHamster · Jan 17, 2013

They still seem to be a bit dodgy about a few books, which they probably don't sell directly in the orgs.
Code:
http://www.effectivebusinesstools.com/
The Small Business Success Manual by Stan Dubin "Based in Part On The Works Of L. Ron Hubbard".

Anonymous · Jan 18, 2013

DeathHamster said: ↑
They still seem to be a bit dodgy about a few books, which they probably don't sell directly in the orgs.
Code:
http://www.effectivebusinesstools.com/
The Small Business Success Manual by Stan Dubin "Based in Part On The Works Of L. Ron Hubbard".
and again, Hobson disappears after doing his typical “drive by typing”

Anonymous · Jan 18, 2013

alas, Hobson and Marty and company are just a bunch of opportunistic assholes. Maybe Marty’s mother electroshock really did affect him

Anonymous · Jan 18, 2013

You know, I know I probably won't gain any friends by saying this, by I was reading ESMB the other day and that woman Karen something, is a nut case lol. She seems to just spew shit non stop, random shit.

Anonymous · Jan 18, 2013

Anonymous said: ↑

and again, Hobson disappears after doing his typical “drive by typing”

Takes on to know one.

Thomas Kinkade · Jan 18, 2013

"Anonymous said: ↑

You know, I know I probably won't gain any friends by saying this, by I was reading ESMB the other day and that woman Karen something, is a nut case lol. She seems to just spew shit non stop, random shit.

Anonymous · Jan 18, 2013

Anonymous said: ↑

You know, I know I probably won't gain any friends by saying this, by I was reading ESMB the other day and that woman Karen something, is a nut case lol. She seems to just spew shit non stop, random shit.

Lot of that going around. Random, drive by, two by two.

Anonymous · Jan 19, 2013

Hi Karen! not enough OCMB forya? need more attention?

Anonymous · Jan 19, 2013

Talking about Karen de la Carriere, I wonder if she still in love with Marty or Hubbard. Cannot be with both as lately Marty seems to be distancing himself from the old guru. Srs question as I am actually curious.

Anonymous · Jan 20, 2013

Anonymous said: ↑

Talking about Karen de la Carriere, I wonder if she still in love with Marty or Hubbard. Cannot be with both as lately Marty seems to be distancing himself from the old guru. Srs question as I am actually curious.

I wonder how the relationship between Marty Rathbun and Karen de la Carrier is going to end up. She seems to be all pro Lawrence Wright yet Marty is pretty pissed at him for dissing Hubbard. Will Marty continue to befriend Karen due to her influences? Stay tuned.

Anonymous · Jan 20, 2013

Anonymous said: ↑

I wonder how the relationship between Marty Rathbun and Karen de la Carrier is going to end up. She seems to be all pro Lawrence Wright yet Marty is pretty pissed at him for dissing Hubbard. Will Marty continue to befriend Karen due to her influences? Stay tuned.

If by influences you mean startlingly bad hair and over the top botox, then yes.

Anonymous · Jan 20, 2013

Karen?

VaDi · Jan 20, 2013

Jaycee Wiseboy said: ↑

That was an eye-opener.

Hubbard was a nut. I am surprised he didn't order the Sea Org to fire on some island in Mexico...or something.

Lenin was a nut. I'm surprised he didn't made the whole world into utopia he had in mind.

Peter Norton · Dec 2, 2013

Quentinanon said: ↑

You are mostly incorrect. Ruth Minshull and Woody Wooderson were not Mission Holders, just field scientologists who wrote books that received distribution through scientology missions. Hubbard authorised their books. Peter Gillham, another field scilon from Australia also had Hubbard's authorisation. Omar Garrison was a WOG and had a falling out with Hubbard - his research revealed that Hubbard had falsified a great deal of his own biographical information. Jack Horner and Reg Sharpe had been branded "SPs" many years earlier by L. Ron.

Just a minor correction. Ruth Minshull's books for years were available in any org's book store, not just missions.

Kimbayah · Dec 2, 2013

Born2Shop said: ↑

tl;dr but here is the real story behind the issue in the above OP and what lead to it being written. I was on the Watchdog Committee at that time.

Always good to see you posting here : )

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